BF2S Forums Nine held in beheading plot in UK

Bubbalo wrote:

weamo8 wrote:

Why dont you simply try reading?

Reading what, exactly?

weamo8 wrote:

There is a difference between creating and funding,

The US did both.

weamo8 wrote:

and Al Qaida was a much different organization in the early 80's

It was a fundamentalist Muslim organisation fighting Russians instead of a funamentalist Muslim organisation fighting the US.  What's the difference?

lowing wrote:

Oh well then Al Queda is Muslim, and has nothing to do with the USA

Allow me to re-iterate in clearer terms:

The IRA was an Irish organisation created to attack Britain.  It was not set up by Britain.  It was not endorsed by Britain.  Britain did everything in it's power to destroy it.

Al Qaeda is a Muslim organisation created to attack Russia.  It was set up with significant US assistance.  It was endorsed by the US.  The US did everything in it's power to support it.  It was only once it stopped serving the US that the US got angry.

Last edited by weamo8 (2007-02-02 16:36:43)

fadedsteve wrote:

Vilham wrote:

Fadesteve, your argument is now over.

Not quite. . . .not by a long shot!

The strangest and most untrue thing that can be said about Islam is that it is a Religion of Peace.  If every standard by which the West is judged and condemned (slavery, imperialism, intolerance, women's rights, warfare...) were applied equally to Islam, the verdict would be absolutely devastating. 

Islam never gives up what it conquers, be it religion, culture, language or life.  Neither does it make apologies or any real effort at moral progress.  It is the least open to dialogue and the most self-absorbed.  It is convinced of its own perfection, yet never open to critical examination.

This is what makes the verses of violence so dangerous.  While Muslim terrorists take them as literally as anything else in the Qur'an, and understand that Islam is incomplete without Jihad, others do little to contradict them.  Indeed, what do they have? 

Speaking of peace and love may win over the ignorant, but when every twelfth verse of Islam's holiest book either speaks to Allah's hatred for non-Muslims or calls for their death, forced conversion, or subjugation, it's little wonder that sympathy for terrorism runs as deeply as it does in the broader community - even if most Muslims personally prefer not to interpret their religion in this way.

In fact, many Muslims are simply unaware of the Qur'an's near absence of verses that preach non-violence.  This is because their understanding of Islam comes from what they are taught by others.  In the West, it is typical for Muslims to come to believe that their religion must be like Christianity - preaching the New Testament virtues of peace, love, and tolerance - because Muslims are taught that Islam is supposed to be superior in every way.  They are somewhat surprised and embarrassed to learn that the evidence of the Qur'an and the bloody history of Islam are very much in contradiction to this.

For their part, Western liberals would do well not to sacrifice judgment and distinction on the altar of political correctness, or look for reasons to bring other religion down to the level of Islam merely to avoid the existential truth that this it is both different and dangerous.

There are just too many Muslims who take the Qur'an literally... and too many others who couldn't care less.

Vilham wrote:

Fadesteeve you quite literally know jack shit about the Qur'an you are spouting shit. I suggest you go read it and then stfu.

Bubbalo wrote:

I think he's calling you chav because you have yet to master the English language.  That and you assume that everyone agrees with you, even when they clearly don't.



And you forget Australia *shakes fist*.

Last edited by Kmarion (2007-02-05 09:35:05)

Vilham wrote:

That is a British expression...