Poll

Are the "freedom fighters" winning?

Yes16%16% - 15
No43%43% - 40
Not Sure19%19% - 18
Don't care12%12% - 12
Null8%8% - 8
Total: 93
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6950|Global Command

usmarine2007 wrote:

ATG wrote:

usmarine2007 wrote:


As I have said, One man's child molester is another mans good time.  I don't follow that thinking TBH.
Audy Murphey American war hero

Audy Murphey mass killer of German mothers sons.

See?
It's about perspective.
Germans started the war and were exterminating millions of people, Audy helped stop that.

See.  Perspective.
Exactly, to us he is a great man, killer of Nazi scum.

To the Germans he was the very devil himself. Not loved, not a hero.
When he left 150+ jellied German on a field ( 50. Calibre machine gun and artillery strikes ) he was most assuredly inflicting terror.
Parker
isteal
+1,452|6815|The Gem Saloon
so if i say that maybe its time for wahabist islam to be outlawed, will i get flamed?

that isnt my intention, but that is what i feel would be a huge solution, not just for the US but the entire world.
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6976

Parker wrote:

so if i say that maybe its time for wahabist islam to be outlawed, will i get flamed?

that isnt my intention, but that is what i feel would be a huge solution, not just for the US but the entire world.
It's impossible to outlaw a belief system. I mean - Germany today still has its fair share of neo-nazis. What would make it doubly difficult is that the Wahabi sect is the state religion of a country which supplies USA with copious amounts of oil and owns a large chunk of the US national debt...
usmarine2007
Banned
+374|6788|Columbus, Ohio

ATG wrote:

To the Germans he was the very devil himself. Not loved, not a hero.
Those Germans were idiots.  They had no problem with exterminating millions of people.  Sorry, but IMO their "perspective" does not even come close to being credible.
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6950|Global Command

usmarine2007 wrote:

ATG wrote:

To the Germans he was the very devil himself. Not loved, not a hero.
Those Germans were idiots.  They had no problem with exterminating millions of people.  Sorry, but IMO their "perspective" does not even come close to being credible.
Jeezuz in a prom dress don't your see that what you determine is creditable or not has zero impact on Taliban types?

I may respect Hamas as a sort of brave freedom fighter, but would still see it in the best interest of the world if A few dozen Daisey Cutters were dropped on the gaza strip.

Those people are hopeless. They will never stop killing. Until they are dead.
Parker
isteal
+1,452|6815|The Gem Saloon

CameronPoe wrote:

Parker wrote:

so if i say that maybe its time for wahabist islam to be outlawed, will i get flamed?

that isnt my intention, but that is what i feel would be a huge solution, not just for the US but the entire world.
It's impossible to outlaw a belief system. I mean - Germany today still has its fair share of neo-nazis. What would make it doubly difficult is that the Wahabi sect is the state religion of a country which supplies USA with copious amounts of oil and owns a large chunk of the US national debt...
i know it, and that drives me insane. i always think of the commercials they ran here after 9-11.....basically it brokedown to them hiring a PR firm in FUCKING NYC and sayinf "sorry, please keep buying our oil.".
if it were to happen, saudi arabia would be the place to start, from the top down. in fact if it were up to me, since it started there it would end there, drastically......to make a point.
but some guy that makes knives for a living has a very remote chance of helping to change the face of a religion.
usmarine2007
Banned
+374|6788|Columbus, Ohio

ATG wrote:

Those people are hopeless. They will never stop killing. Until they are dead.
I agree 10000000000% with that.
usmarine2007
Banned
+374|6788|Columbus, Ohio

ATG wrote:

Jeezuz in a prom dress don't your see that what you determine is creditable or not has zero impact on Taliban types?
Don't you see that is not my point?  My point is that someone of mcminty's intelligence should know better than to quote a saying like that since since he is not one of those types.
HOLLYWOOD=_=FTW=_=
Member
+31|6972
If we give them enough time all the middle eastern people will blow themselves up.
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7072|USA

mcminty wrote:

Do I have to do it again?


First, while I'm deciding, there are some things I want to say:

1. What do you define a 'win'? Them embracing democracy in 5 years. To change their millennium old system of government at the drop of a hat? Get realistic.

2. The reported story was not a "they attacked the USA" story, it was a typical 'Mr.Shiite hates Mr.Sunni, so he kills Mr.Sunni." At the moment, some couldn't give a shit about America. All they want to do is kill their countrymen because of a minor difference in their version of Islam. It's called a civil war. America can't do shit to stop them.

3. By putting freedom fighter in quotation marks, were you trying to imply some sarcasm?. A freedom fighter and terrorist are the same thing. It is all about perspective. As the saying goes, "One man's terrorist is another mans freedom fighter."



I'll be back in an hour or two. We'll see then if it gets closed.

Mcminty.
So to be a freedom fighter what freedoms are the terrorists actually fighting for? The freedom to kill anyone they want whenever they want when their demands are not met ?? Yeah, not quite the freedom others in history have fought for.

I ask you what freedoms that are being denied them, other than the freedom to kill indiscriminately/
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6826|North Carolina

lowing wrote:

mcminty wrote:

Do I have to do it again?


First, while I'm deciding, there are some things I want to say:

1. What do you define a 'win'? Them embracing democracy in 5 years. To change their millennium old system of government at the drop of a hat? Get realistic.

2. The reported story was not a "they attacked the USA" story, it was a typical 'Mr.Shiite hates Mr.Sunni, so he kills Mr.Sunni." At the moment, some couldn't give a shit about America. All they want to do is kill their countrymen because of a minor difference in their version of Islam. It's called a civil war. America can't do shit to stop them.

3. By putting freedom fighter in quotation marks, were you trying to imply some sarcasm?. A freedom fighter and terrorist are the same thing. It is all about perspective. As the saying goes, "One man's terrorist is another mans freedom fighter."



I'll be back in an hour or two. We'll see then if it gets closed.

Mcminty.
So to be a freedom fighter what freedoms are the terrorists actually fighting for? The freedom to kill anyone they want whenever they want when their demands are not met ?? Yeah, not quite the freedom others in history have fought for.

I ask you what freedoms that are being denied them, other than the freedom to kill indiscriminately/
In general, the difference between a freedom fighter and a terrorist is that a freedom fighter limits his destruction to government or military personnel.  A terrorist kills anyone and everyone.

It is true though that a lot of the terrorists just want us out of Iraq.  Others will keep killing until they are dead or their side has killed everyone else.

In other words, Iraq is a FUBAR situation that we need to leave.
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7072|USA

Turquoise wrote:

lowing wrote:

mcminty wrote:

Do I have to do it again?


First, while I'm deciding, there are some things I want to say:

1. What do you define a 'win'? Them embracing democracy in 5 years. To change their millennium old system of government at the drop of a hat? Get realistic.

2. The reported story was not a "they attacked the USA" story, it was a typical 'Mr.Shiite hates Mr.Sunni, so he kills Mr.Sunni." At the moment, some couldn't give a shit about America. All they want to do is kill their countrymen because of a minor difference in their version of Islam. It's called a civil war. America can't do shit to stop them.

3. By putting freedom fighter in quotation marks, were you trying to imply some sarcasm?. A freedom fighter and terrorist are the same thing. It is all about perspective. As the saying goes, "One man's terrorist is another mans freedom fighter."



I'll be back in an hour or two. We'll see then if it gets closed.

Mcminty.
So to be a freedom fighter what freedoms are the terrorists actually fighting for? The freedom to kill anyone they want whenever they want when their demands are not met ?? Yeah, not quite the freedom others in history have fought for.

I ask you what freedoms that are being denied them, other than the freedom to kill indiscriminately/
In general, the difference between a freedom fighter and a terrorist is that a freedom fighter limits his destruction to government or military personnel.  A terrorist kills anyone and everyone.

It is true though that a lot of the terrorists just want us out of Iraq.  Others will keep killing until they are dead or their side has killed everyone else.

In other words, Iraq is a FUBAR situation that we need to leave.
So the question still stands.....If they are called freedom fighters by memebers of this forum, what freedoms arethey being denied or what freedoms are they fighting for?
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6826|North Carolina

lowing wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

lowing wrote:


So to be a freedom fighter what freedoms are the terrorists actually fighting for? The freedom to kill anyone they want whenever they want when their demands are not met ?? Yeah, not quite the freedom others in history have fought for.

I ask you what freedoms that are being denied them, other than the freedom to kill indiscriminately/
In general, the difference between a freedom fighter and a terrorist is that a freedom fighter limits his destruction to government or military personnel.  A terrorist kills anyone and everyone.

It is true though that a lot of the terrorists just want us out of Iraq.  Others will keep killing until they are dead or their side has killed everyone else.

In other words, Iraq is a FUBAR situation that we need to leave.
So the question still stands.....If they are called freedom fighters by memebers of this forum, what freedoms arethey being denied or what freedoms are they fighting for?
I'm not saying they're being denied freedoms other than freedom from our control and guidance.

I think we can agree that we had somewhat good intentions for Iraq, but such things mean little when many of the people we try to help see us as imperialist invaders.

In the end, it really is about perception.  The terrorists have done a great job of molding perceptions among the general populace against us.
Agent_Dung_Bomb
Member
+302|7157|Salt Lake City

lowing wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

lowing wrote:


So to be a freedom fighter what freedoms are the terrorists actually fighting for? The freedom to kill anyone they want whenever they want when their demands are not met ?? Yeah, not quite the freedom others in history have fought for.

I ask you what freedoms that are being denied them, other than the freedom to kill indiscriminately/
In general, the difference between a freedom fighter and a terrorist is that a freedom fighter limits his destruction to government or military personnel.  A terrorist kills anyone and everyone.

It is true though that a lot of the terrorists just want us out of Iraq.  Others will keep killing until they are dead or their side has killed everyone else.

In other words, Iraq is a FUBAR situation that we need to leave.
So the question still stands.....If they are called freedom fighters by memebers of this forum, what freedoms arethey being denied or what freedoms are they fighting for?
It's all a matter of perception.  From our point of view they are killers and terrorists, bent on destroying everything.  From their perspective the country has been invaded, and the freedom they are fighting for is that to decide on how things should be run in their country.

If the Vatican put together an army to invade the US, remove our current form of government and replace it with Old Testament law, and put only Catholics in government positions, would you accept that?  From their standpint they are simply making a Christian society from the evil that they see.  Would you stand for that, or would you fight them to the end, including those within this country that you saw as supporting this move?
devildogfo
Member
+32|6744|Camp Lejeune
Agreed, a good portion of these groups are not trying to take control from the US, rather they are hitting the US in a moment of weakness to prove their point (Al Qaeda). Other groups are killing each other because of clashing ideologies. And there are some groups with illusions of grandeur that want to rule Iraq like Saddam did. But dont forget the Iraqis that fighting, bleeding and dying alongside our own Marines and soldiers for their freedom.

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