Maybe the next time the Americans are screaming "help us out with this invasion", we'll just stay out of it.syntaxmax642 wrote:
Yeah maybe next time the Brits are screaming SAVE US... We just stay out of it.. God knows they cant build an army to save themselves or their dammned Queen...MoonShadow616 wrote:
The Challenger 2 MBT walks all over the M1 Abrams.
a bit off topic dont u think??? we dont wanna start here a discussion about how helpfull you all are to poor world and that everyone must join US...ok?syntaxmax642 wrote:
Yeah maybe next time the Brits are screaming SAVE US... We just stay out of it.. God knows they cant build an army to save themselves or their dammned Queen...MoonShadow616 wrote:
The Challenger 2 MBT walks all over the M1 Abrams.
More to do with the fact that the L30A1 used on the Challenger and Challenger 2 is more accurate at long ranges than the L44 used on the M1A2, due to being rifled. Being rifled is also a disadvantage for the gun because it means it cannot use standard NATO AT rounds.syntaxmax642 wrote:
The Americans were shooting at closer targets because we have always liked to see the whites of their eyes.. Just like the dammned redcoats... (kill the officers first then the men wont know what to do)
Yay HESH rounds.Bertster7 wrote:
More to do with the fact that the L30A1 used on the Challenger and Challenger 2 is more accurate at long ranges than the L44 used on the M1A2, due to being rifled. Being rifled is also a disadvantage for the gun because it means it cannot use standard NATO AT rounds.syntaxmax642 wrote:
The Americans were shooting at closer targets because we have always liked to see the whites of their eyes.. Just like the dammned redcoats... (kill the officers first then the men wont know what to do)
You do know that the T-90 is just a T-72 with a bunch of upgrades and a new name because of how poorly the T-72 did in Desert Storm, right?sdlettonieCZLV wrote:
if you have problems with russian... sorry
show me something in which Abrams is better then T-90!
yeah, and so what? it still beats M1A2 in tests. Im not talking about T-72, maybe T-90 is upgraded but still fresh, M1A2 is upgraded too, right? Or you think that tank older than 10 years is not actual? If Russians would have such founds of money like Americans have in military, they would already deployed their Black Eagle, new generation tank. Till then we just have to wait.acEofspadEs6313 wrote:
You do know that the T-90 is just a T-72 with a bunch of upgrades and a new name because of how poorly the T-72 did in Desert Storm, right?sdlettonieCZLV wrote:
if you have problems with russian... sorry
show me something in which Abrams is better then T-90!
I would like to see some Kursk battle again, only now with whole branch of best tanks of the world, including M1A2, T-90, Leopard 2, Challanger etc... let them fight and proove their skills, but as stated above by someone, mostly it is about crew training...
EDIT: this one would own everything!
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Oh the amount of money and men wasted, as well as all of those tank hulks with depleted uranium armor lying around.sdlettonieCZLV wrote:
yeah, and so what? it still beats M1A2 in tests. Im not talking about T-72, maybe T-90 is upgraded but still fresh, M1A2 is upgraded too, right? Or you think that tank older than 10 years is not actual? If Russians would have such founds of money like Americans have in military, they would already deployed their Black Eagle, new generation tank. Till then we just have to wait.acEofspadEs6313 wrote:
You do know that the T-90 is just a T-72 with a bunch of upgrades and a new name because of how poorly the T-72 did in Desert Storm, right?sdlettonieCZLV wrote:
if you have problems with russian... sorry
show me something in which Abrams is better then T-90!
I would like to see some Kursk battle again, only now with whole branch of best tanks of the world, including M1A2, T-90, Leopard 2, Challanger etc... let them fight and proove their skills, but as stated above by someone, mostly it is about crew training...
/sarcasm
since when you care how much costs something since it is for peace of the world!!! /sarcasmacEofspadEs6313 wrote:
Oh the amount of money and men wasted, as well as all of those tank hulks with depleted uranium armor lying around.sdlettonieCZLV wrote:
yeah, and so what? it still beats M1A2 in tests. Im not talking about T-72, maybe T-90 is upgraded but still fresh, M1A2 is upgraded too, right? Or you think that tank older than 10 years is not actual? If Russians would have such founds of money like Americans have in military, they would already deployed their Black Eagle, new generation tank. Till then we just have to wait.acEofspadEs6313 wrote:
You do know that the T-90 is just a T-72 with a bunch of upgrades and a new name because of how poorly the T-72 did in Desert Storm, right?
I would like to see some Kursk battle again, only now with whole branch of best tanks of the world, including M1A2, T-90, Leopard 2, Challanger etc... let them fight and proove their skills, but as stated above by someone, mostly it is about crew training...
/sarcasm
I dunno. /sarcasmsdlettonieCZLV wrote:
since when you care how much costs something since it is for peace of the world!!! /sarcasmacEofspadEs6313 wrote:
Oh the amount of money and men wasted, as well as all of those tank hulks with depleted uranium armor lying around.sdlettonieCZLV wrote:
yeah, and so what? it still beats M1A2 in tests. Im not talking about T-72, maybe T-90 is upgraded but still fresh, M1A2 is upgraded too, right? Or you think that tank older than 10 years is not actual? If Russians would have such founds of money like Americans have in military, they would already deployed their Black Eagle, new generation tank. Till then we just have to wait.
I would like to see some Kursk battle again, only now with whole branch of best tanks of the world, including M1A2, T-90, Leopard 2, Challanger etc... let them fight and proove their skills, but as stated above by someone, mostly it is about crew training...
/sarcasm
Back on topic: Even though this thread will further end in tears, lets see some more "Who's Tank is Better!"
You do know that a single round from an M1A2, can destroy a T-90 in one shot at 4km away right?sdlettonieCZLV wrote:
yeah, and so what? it still beats M1A2 in tests. Im not talking about T-72, maybe T-90 is upgraded but still fresh, M1A2 is upgraded too, right? Or you think that tank older than 10 years is not actual? If Russians would have such founds of money like Americans have in military, they would already deployed their Black Eagle, new generation tank. Till then we just have to wait.acEofspadEs6313 wrote:
You do know that the T-90 is just a T-72 with a bunch of upgrades and a new name because of how poorly the T-72 did in Desert Storm, right?sdlettonieCZLV wrote:
if you have problems with russian... sorry
show me something in which Abrams is better then T-90!
I would like to see some Kursk battle again, only now with whole branch of best tanks of the world, including M1A2, T-90, Leopard 2, Challanger etc... let them fight and proove their skills, but as stated above by someone, mostly it is about crew training...
EDIT: this one would own everything!
http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/3444/tancikfw3.jpg
Im ok with that... so? who? anyone? come on ppl, make your vote!acEofspadEs6313 wrote:
Back on topic: Even though this thread will further end in tears, lets see some more "Who's Tank is Better!"
nah, if you are such a genius, ask your mom to translate you this video, I see that you didnt understand a shit from that, Im sorry, will try to find something equal in English.genius_man16 wrote:
You do know that a single round from an M1A2, can destroy a T-90 in one shot at 4km away right?sdlettonieCZLV wrote:
yeah, and so what? it still beats M1A2 in tests. Im not talking about T-72, maybe T-90 is upgraded but still fresh, M1A2 is upgraded too, right? Or you think that tank older than 10 years is not actual? If Russians would have such founds of money like Americans have in military, they would already deployed their Black Eagle, new generation tank. Till then we just have to wait.acEofspadEs6313 wrote:
You do know that the T-90 is just a T-72 with a bunch of upgrades and a new name because of how poorly the T-72 did in Desert Storm, right?
I would like to see some Kursk battle again, only now with whole branch of best tanks of the world, including M1A2, T-90, Leopard 2, Challanger etc... let them fight and proove their skills, but as stated above by someone, mostly it is about crew training...
EDIT: this one would own everything!
http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/3444/tancikfw3.jpg
Short citate: "T-90 taked shots from 200m from another weapons with different callibr and such as 120mm, none of 6 shots damaged it, then they tested some kind of RPG or what- nothing, armor didnt take any damage... tank drove away without having repaired something... bla bla bla" I dont wanna translate that all, the idea is- DONT POST IF YOU HAVENT SOMETHING NEW TO SAY!
EDIT: T-90 firing range is 5km (5000m) and its similar to power of Abrams cannon. Abrams has uranium shells, T-90 has from Wolfram and there is no difference in armor piercing.
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i'm still partial to the Panzer VI Tiger I tank. that thing was a beast, 88mm KwK 36 L/56 main weapon and two secondary 7.62mm MG34 or MG42 LMGs. no allied tank could match it except for the M26 Pershing with its 90mm gun or the russian Iosef Stalin tanks with their 122mm main weapon, which was huge for a tank at that time.
little video relic from WW2 featuring the tiger
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqb32ziRrAU
little video relic from WW2 featuring the tiger
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqb32ziRrAU
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Yes, it was a very good tank in the 1940's. The Germans were on the cutting edge of technology and engineering...then. For the modern battle field no.seymorebutts443 wrote:
i'm still partial to the Panzer VI Tiger I tank. that thing was a beast, 88mm KwK 36 L/56 main weapon and two secondary 7.62mm MG34 or MG42 LMGs. no allied tank could match it except for the M26 Pershing with its 90mm gun or the russian Iosef Stalin tanks with their 122mm main weapon, which was huge for a tank at that time.
little video relic from WW2 featuring the tiger
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqb32ziRrAU
Now for modern warfare you must also consider the French MBT Leclerc.
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/leclerc
We only did that to appease the rest of the world and make them think that we were not a bunch of cowboys... Also since Tony Blair is our Puppet Govt. ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US...Bertster7 wrote:
Maybe the next time the Americans are screaming "help us out with this invasion", we'll just stay out of it.syntaxmax642 wrote:
Yeah maybe next time the Brits are screaming SAVE US... We just stay out of it.. God knows they cant build an army to save themselves or their dammned Queen...MoonShadow616 wrote:
The Challenger 2 MBT walks all over the M1 Abrams.
dont talk bollocks dudesyntaxmax642 wrote:
We only did that to appease the rest of the world and make them think that we were not a bunch of cowboys... Also since Tony Blair is our Puppet Govt. ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US...Bertster7 wrote:
Maybe the next time the Americans are screaming "help us out with this invasion", we'll just stay out of it.syntaxmax642 wrote:
Yeah maybe next time the Brits are screaming SAVE US... We just stay out of it.. God knows they cant build an army to save themselves or their dammned Queen...
guys stay on topic here. this is about armored vehicles, not the tensions between the US and the world.
ok...
anyone else think that video of the abrams is crappy, all it shows that the tank can move, turn its turret and fire its goddam gun. lets see your oh so good abrams knock 14 tanks out in just over a minute then post it on here!
anyone else think that video of the abrams is crappy, all it shows that the tank can move, turn its turret and fire its goddam gun. lets see your oh so good abrams knock 14 tanks out in just over a minute then post it on here!
I thought I was talking about Tanks... and how brits cant build em... Oh well... Did anyone ever see that special about the Abrahms refurb facility down south... Pretty cool place they take our broken tanks and fix/upgrade them to just like new...seymorebutts443 wrote:
guys stay on topic here. this is about armored vehicles, not the tensions between the US and the world.
As long as the Americans in here know the visual difference between Chally 2, t-series, And M1A2's, it makes my job a lot easier.
For the record, Apache helicopter (WAH-64D) is fast becoming the replacement for tanks on the front line.
For the record, Apache helicopter (WAH-64D) is fast becoming the replacement for tanks on the front line.
brits can build tanks, they have some of the best in the world, so doesnt the US, germany, russsia and israel. we do not know who has the best tanks because they have never gone head to head in a real tank battle.
Uhhh... our oh so good Abrahms has actually been in a few real battles...Your test is nothing more than showing off your epenis in a Framerate test.ELITE-UK wrote:
ok...
anyone else think that video of the abrams is crappy, all it shows that the tank can move, turn its turret and fire its goddam gun. lets see your oh so good abrams knock 14 tanks out in just over a minute then post it on here!
Abrahms > all
You guys watch a special on Discovery Channel, or read an article online and you become an all-knowing messiah of tank warfare. Let's get someone who's been in combat in a Tank to voice their opinions.
Oh and I don't care what you say about the Abrams, it's still badass, and it's what I'm going to do in the Corps.
Oh and I don't care what you say about the Abrams, it's still badass, and it's what I'm going to do in the Corps.
personally, i think all tanks are badass, except the T-55 and T-62, but we won't go into that. any vehicle that can carry a 4-5 inch weapon, withstand substantial punnishment, and deal out massive ammounts of firepower deserves the right to be named badass. except the T-55 and T-62, but again we won't get into that.
You obviously haven't heard of the Sherman Firefly or T34/85, have you?seymorebutts443 wrote:
i'm still partial to the Panzer VI Tiger I tank. that thing was a beast, 88mm KwK 36 L/56 main weapon and two secondary 7.62mm MG34 or MG42 LMGs. no allied tank could match it except for the M26 Pershing with its 90mm gun or the russian Iosef Stalin tanks with their 122mm main weapon, which was huge for a tank at that time.
little video relic from WW2 featuring the tiger
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqb32ziRrAU