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Kmarion wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Are countries such as the US just as bad as the Janjaweed for allowing 'Genocide' to continue in Darfur, Sudan?

Sudan has refused US peace keepers. Shall we invade?

link please

Major_Spittle wrote:

If you smoke "Janjaweed" does it make you high?

no, no thats "Ganjaweed"
lol

Mason4Assassin444 wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Are countries such as the US just as bad as the Janjaweed for allowing 'Genocide' to continue in Darfur, Sudan?

Sudan has refused US peace keepers. Shall we invade?

link please

You have got to be kidding me!

Elamdri wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Are countries such as the US just as bad as the Janjaweed for allowing 'Genocide' to continue in Darfur, Sudan?

You could make that argument about ANY advanced industrialized nation.

Do you see it as valid?  What can we (US) or any advanced industrialized nation do?

Kmarion wrote:

Mason4Assassin444 wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Sudan has refused US peace keepers. Shall we invade?

link please

My knowledge of this extends from a very informative documentary I watched recently regarding the humanitarian effort there.
http://usinfo.state.gov/xarchives/displ … P0.3332941
http://www.indiadaily.com/breaking_news/84695.asp
http://www.boston.com/news/world/africa … cekeepers/
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N26365316.htm

Journey to Darfur, or All About Darfur?  Both I thought were great documentaries, with the former focusing more on the actual citizens of Sudan instead of soley on the conflict/humanatarian effort.
The George Clooney one is actually really great too, they both do a good job of opening eyes.

topal63 wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

KMarion, I think I was misunderstood.  We may not want to dump money in, but what about economic sanctions/political pressure?  If that did not work, then yes, I would advocate the use of force to stop the inane killing.

This is not intended to be a flame war/spam thread, so please do not use it in that way.

It is a valid point [thread topic] - even if the original spark of thought - was prompted by something absurd in another thread.

This thread-idea speaks to what can be done; and I don't think, not even for a microsecond, that your suggesting a absurd-absolute moral stance. While - it is hard not think that NO we are not responsible for the rest of the world as policeman or caretakers. It is also hard to conceive that we (the US) could sit idly by - as events unfold (somewhere, not just Darfur) in horror.

We have detailed first hand knowledge of the horrors and senseless waste of life.

Exactly.

Last edited by KEN-JENNINGS (2007-02-05 15:20:02)

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

KMarion, I think I was misunderstood.  We may not want to dump money in, but what about economic sanctions/political pressure?  If that did not work, then yes, I would advocate the use of force to stop the inane killing.

This is not intended to be a flame war/spam thread, so please do not use it in that way.

I don't flame Ken I thought you would know that by now, ask around..lol
I was questioning your solution which is healthy, please don't take it personal.

How and who would we pressure though?

I can't remember the title of the documentary, I'll look those up and see if I recognize the host. It was a special on HDNET.

Last edited by Kmarion (2007-02-05 15:22:47)

Kmarion wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

KMarion, I think I was misunderstood.  We may not want to dump money in, but what about economic sanctions/political pressure?  If that did not work, then yes, I would advocate the use of force to stop the inane killing.

This is not intended to be a flame war/spam thread, so please do not use it in that way.

I don't flame Ken I thought you would know that by now, ask around..lol
I was questioning your solution which is healthy, please don't take it personal.

How and who would we pressure though?

I can't remember the title of the documentary, I'll look those up and see if I recognize the host. It was a special on HDNET.

That wasn't intended for you, just anyone who tries to flame/spam/derail.  I enjoy debates with people like you because I consider you far more level headed and realistic than a large majority of the people here.

Apply economic pressure through the IMF, World Bank, etc.  Apply political pressure by threatening to remove them from multinational agreements/organizations.  Pressure the leader of Sudan (which Condi recently did) to stop allowing (and allegedly contributing to) the genocide that is happening.  Apply pressure to Sudanese allies (such as members of the African Union) through these same methods.  Maybe if the Sudanese government sees that an entire world cares about what goes on there, they will be more adept to change.

Commie Killer wrote:

This is rather.....gay, I think fancy pressed a button and some forum members started PMSing. Wonderful!!!! Immature morons.

I so love it when someone ridicules themselves

lowing wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Are countries such as the US just as bad as the Janjaweed for allowing 'Genocide' to continue in Darfur, Sudan?

Sorry, I am offended, censor this thread please.

Aint that the damn truth.

lowing wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Are countries such as the US just as bad as the Janjaweed for allowing 'Genocide' to continue in Darfur, Sudan?

Sorry, I am offended, censor this thread please.

I'm not, don't censor it please.

Ken does have a good point with this thread.  Inaction is certainly a pivotal point for most debates regarding both Darfur and Iran.

On one side, you have people lobbying for war with Iran because of the nuclear threat they might become.

On the other side, you have people saying we should do something to end the suffering and death in Darfur.

One of the stranger aspects of the buildup to the Iraq War was how many people were mentioning how Saddam's rule was so brutal.  They argued that the death and suffering he was causing in Iraq was a solid basis for invading Iraq with humanitarian goals in mind.

Yet...  these same people would typically go silent as soon as someone would bring up the horrors of Sudan.

Anyone who prefers to orient our intervention toward humanitarian principles must admit that the situations in Sudan and the Democratic Republic of Congo are far more dire than Iraq.  If we really see ourselves as humanitarians in our foreign relations, then Africa in general should concern us far more than the Middle East.

lowing wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

lowing wrote:

Sorry, I am offended, censor this thread please.

I'm not, don't censor it please.

Turquise, I was being sarcastic, you would know it if you were following the other thread.

The other thread was closed because it devolved into a childish flame war.  It wasn't censored.  As long as we continue this debate in an adult-like manner, I see no reason to close it.

Last edited by KEN-JENNINGS (2007-02-05 18:22:41)

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

lowing wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

I'm not, don't censor it please.

Turquise, I was being sarcastic, you would know it if you were following the other thread.

The other thread was closed because it devolved into a childish flame war.  It wasn't censored.  As long as we continue this debate in an adult-like manner, I see no reason to close it.

The other threadS, were not closed for the reason you gave, hell, they didn't even give that reason.