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ReDevilJR wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

ReDevilJR wrote:

"Global Warming" is the present. "Global Cooling" is the past... I think "Global Cooling" will make a great story for those flaming liberals in another 30 years, what do ya think? Seeing how history repeats itself. Or maybe that Florida has frost on their oranges, or that we're in the single digits?...(Buffalo)

After all, we've only got 8 Years, 361 Days, 3 Hours, 23 Minutes, and 30 seconds left...
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/eibess … guest.html

You're using Rush Limbaugh as a source...  wow...  You're not big on facts, are you?  Global warming is just a conspiracy by the factinistas, eh?

Pretty much right on... And yes, Limbaugh is the man, while I don't believe 100% of his political opinions, I'm all the way with him on the "Global Warming" "issue." If Gore truly cared, he'd be doing publicity daily to gain people's attention, and ACTUALLY using fuel efficient means of transportation.

It's called silly science to look at just whats happening "right now" as the determination factor for the current trend. All you need to do is look back a couple weeks (Jan 7, 2007) to see just the opposite http://wcbstv.com/topstories/local_story_005210450.html .

Last edited by Kmarion (2007-02-01 18:45:18)

ReDevilJR wrote:

A pain killer, wooooooooooooo big DEAAAAAL! People have done much worse drugs than PAIN KILLERS!

Like i said, not 100% of his political beliefs, however, i believe that the welfare system should be more limited, only certain number of days allowed to use it... but that's just me... and MY opinion.

Umm right thread?

Kmarion wrote:

ReDevilJR wrote:

A pain killer, wooooooooooooo big DEAAAAAL! People have done much worse drugs than PAIN KILLERS!

Like i said, not 100% of his political beliefs, however, i believe that the welfare system should be more limited, only certain number of days allowed to use it... but that's just me... and MY opinion.

Umm right thread?

He was responding to me.

Major_Spittle wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

Major_Spittle wrote:

Sorry, back in the '80s the big thing was that the depleation of the Ozone would melt the Ice caps by like 2050 and flood and kill and burn us all. 

So, I now stand corrected and we are all going to die.  Are you happy now?

No, it would just make us all die from UV radiation (global warming's the flooding one). Pretty bad. But that's getting better.

We're unlikely to die as a result of global warming. It's people in 3rd world countries and the Dutch who will die.

Well, that's a risk I'm willing to take.  I mean the people in third world countries smell like sour milk from what I hear and I'm not even sure what a "Dutch" is I doubt I would miss it anyway.

Dutch... *cough cough* from the Netherlands....  dikes...  low-lying lands...  etc.

Kmarion wrote:

weamo8 wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

I was quoting hundreds of scientist with an intense amount of research. You have a decent amount of evidence to contradict them?

Did you know that there were Ice Ages on the Earth when there were more way more greenhouse gases in the atmosphere than there are today?  Read about things like Milankovitch Cycles.  Did you know that it is estimated that the volcano Cracatoa put out more C02 than all of mankind has in the last 50 years?  By every record of every heat trend for the past 600,000 years, the Earth should be heating up right now.  There is tons of evidence to contradict them.  I dont have time to list them all, but I will tell you this, I used to be so concerned about it that I almost by a hybrid car.  Then, as I began to study more and more about it, I really started to see that people are making way too big of a deal out of this.  The earth is heating up.  It is true that we are probably contributing to this - a tiny bit.  However, even if everyone on earth started being 100% green, destroying our economies, vacations, computers, and everything else we enjoy, the earth would still continue to heat up.  It is called adaptation.  We should all try it.

Funny I used to be a skeptic, then I started paying attention to the evidence, just the opposite. Yes I am aware of the previous ice ages. If you look at the co2 levels they coincide nearly perfectly with temperature increases and drops.
I take it you didn't watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OiF67GaOoE. Funny you should mention the Milankovitch cycles because it helps to demonstrate the correlation between the two also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Vost … lation.jpg . Yes the earth should be heating up at this stage of the cycle, but not to the degree it is. Looking back over 650k years we have NEVER seen this trend. No we cant stop it but we can slow it, and takes steps to at least recognize it and adjust. It is important that we do this now since any change will take a long time to see. Humans are responsible for around 5 percent of the co2 in the atmosphere. Although it seems like a small amount it is the slight shift that can cause tremendous changes on a environmental level. A five degree increase in world temparatures means I am typing this post underwater.

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Can a large Volcano contribute in its massive eruption 5% of what is human contribution if not more? If so explain to me how Volcano's can produce so much CO2 and not cause such a "drastic" change in climate. While i understand that this system is dynamic, you fail to mention the fact that we are basing predictions off what, status quo consumption. While increase in consumption in fossil fuels will undoubtedly increase green house gases, i implore you to guess where they will go....the same place the Volcano contributed Co2 will go. The system is not self contained and CO2 does not get "trapped" in the system for it is not a closed system.

What happens when you have unprecedented data, does that equate to you being correct in terms of your correlation or is there something else contributing to the change, perhaps more activity/intensity in our own sun?


In all seriousness .......weather men don't predict weather trends with 100% accuracy 1 day in advance, but we are lead to believe that these scientist will predict weather patterns that effect  the entire globe years in advance, that should throw up a red flag for any human with a fair amount of reason left in them.

Last edited by Fen321 (2007-02-01 19:51:06)

ATG wrote:

This is such tripe.

I'm researching the geography of Joshua Tree for a book I'm trying to write. The geologist can look back ten thousand years through sedimentary layers and erosion patterns and they state casually that in the last ten thousand years the soil record indicates a roller coaster ride from ice age glacier locked climate back to temperate times and back again.

One reason why life has exploded in numbers of species and range of their spread is because we have enjoyed a long period of relative geological calm.

The clinmate is changing. Has changed and continously does so, getting people worked up about imaginary solutions to imaginary problems just distracts them from the real issues of illegal immigration and a already bankrupt social security system.

Cut pollution, fine. Alternative fuels, fine. Alarmist quick fixes designed mostly to hamstring and weaken America ( Kyoto ) no thank you.

Well im currently reading "A short introduction to Global Warming" by oxford press, now tbh it ain't short, its an in depth 300 page analysis with all points of view but a sound conclusion that global warming is our fault. Tbh im more likely to listen to a book written by a professor written for Oxford university press, than a random link on the internet written by someone with no clue.

[=][=]DADDYOFDEATH wrote:

thing is these fkn weasel scientists bang on bout global warming, and at the end of the speech they jump into their petrol cars and fuck off home to their coal fires.(exaggeration) i know, but its peoples mindsets, its changing what they do thats the problem, and its down to everyone. will i change my petrol lowride pimp car? probably not, so i am as much to blame as everyone, so how feasibly do we sort it out? im not sure, as im fuckin pissed, but fo shizzle we better sort it out within our lifetime.   / rant.

Changing minor ways of life wont help, things like producing nuclear power will help slow it down, however we need a way to stop it for 200 years while the CO2 sorts its self out (the amount of time it will stay in the atmosphere).

Vilham wrote:

[=][=]DADDYOFDEATH wrote:

thing is these fkn weasel scientists bang on bout global warming, and at the end of the speech they jump into their petrol cars and fuck off home to their coal fires.(exaggeration) i know, but its peoples mindsets, its changing what they do thats the problem, and its down to everyone. will i change my petrol lowride pimp car? probably not, so i am as much to blame as everyone, so how feasibly do we sort it out? im not sure, as im fuckin pissed, but fo shizzle we better sort it out within our lifetime.   / rant.

Changing minor ways of life wont help, things like producing nuclear power will help slow it down, however we need a way to stop it for 200 years while the CO2 sorts its self out (the amount of time it will stay in the atmosphere).

You cannot slow down global warming anymore than you can prevent Ice ages...earth climate changes its dynamic its going to do this until the earth stops rotating and the sun gives out.


Maybe i'm crazy, but how does Global climatology differ from Meteorology?


Eruption of Volcanoes happen pretty consistently with regards to the entire span of the Earth history, to state otherwise is to have a very short time span in mind with regards to Global climate contributions.

I just don't understand where all the Volcano Co2 goes while OUR contributed Co2 doesn't go where the Volcano Co2 goes.....better?

Fen321 wrote:

Vilham wrote:

[=][=]DADDYOFDEATH wrote:

thing is these fkn weasel scientists bang on bout global warming, and at the end of the speech they jump into their petrol cars and fuck off home to their coal fires.(exaggeration) i know, but its peoples mindsets, its changing what they do thats the problem, and its down to everyone. will i change my petrol lowride pimp car? probably not, so i am as much to blame as everyone, so how feasibly do we sort it out? im not sure, as im fuckin pissed, but fo shizzle we better sort it out within our lifetime.   / rant.

Changing minor ways of life wont help, things like producing nuclear power will help slow it down, however we need a way to stop it for 200 years while the CO2 sorts its self out (the amount of time it will stay in the atmosphere).

You cannot slow down global warming anymore than you can prevent Ice ages...earth climate changes its dynamic its going to do this until the earth stops rotating and the sun gives out.


Maybe i'm crazy, but how does Global climatology differ from Meteorology?


Eruption of Volcanoes happen pretty consistently with regards to the entire span of the Earth history, to state otherwise is to have a very short time span in mind with regards to Global climate contributions.

I just don't understand where all the Volcano Co2 goes while OUR contributed Co2 doesn't go where the Volcano Co2 goes.....better?

watch this... http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid … &hl=en

Fen321 wrote:

Maybe i'm crazy, but how does Global climatology differ from Meteorology?

It is an entirely different science. Meteorology does not look deep into the past to understand predictable trends.

Eruption of Volcanoes happen pretty consistently with regards to the entire span of the Earth history, to state otherwise is to have a very short time span in mind with regards to Global climate contributions.

We have allocated a definitive amount of co2 to them. If you are wondering where the Co2 goes it is to the plants on this Earth. However with the continued deforestation the likelihood of co2 being converted into oxygen is less and less every year. So not only are we burning more fuels to add to the co2 levels but we are interrupting the natural cycle that converts co2 into breathable oxygen

Last edited by Kmarion (2007-02-01 21:49:13)

"Scientist knew there was nothing with the Sun itself."

How do you base such a massive claim, but not follow it up.  What happens if for some reason in the next year or two the sun increases or decreases in intensity?


Okay, Global dimming slows down Global warming.....Global Warming is caused by CO2 being "trapped" thus trapping more heat.....so Global Dimming is "competing" with Global Warming in terms of how much "warming" is being caused.


Now since this Global Warming is going to melt Greenland's ice caps....how is this any different from when it has melted before?

The video makes it out as if the Melting of this caps is the end all of this planet, but i just don't see a basis for this claim, especially since the are not a permanent fixture in our climate.


10 degree increase in temps, alright this is an increase never seen in a 4 billion history of the planet. Now, Global dimming is apparently causing it to be cooler so if you lets say hypothetically stop Global dimming then that would mean the Earth would continue to increase in temperature, but how does this increase consistently increase without it being balanced out with the rest of the world? How does this Co2 gas managed to be of such vast quantity that the earth cannot Handel it? You say deforestation, but i know the Oceans absorb the largest amount of Co2.

I was asking questions of which you did not answer.

I'm questioning some parts of the Documentary because i for one do not understand. The claim about the sun is of VAST importance since after all this is the energy that will be getting trapped that is why i brought it up.

Data should be gathered in the field like the gentlemen were doing in the beginning but its a completely different thing to derive data from models since you are bound to leave out something and as such completely change the  model from reality.

I understand the reason to state why Global warming would be vastly faster without the dimming. So once you decrease the dim and increase the temp,how does this temp not get introduced into the rest of the system but merely stay "trapped" an continue a warming trend....there is no barrier holding in this atmosphere i just can't see how it gets "trapped" indefinitely.

hehe Climate change is inevitable we do not live in a static planet, so believe me I'm not disagreeing with you on the Global warming. I just don't see how this time around the warming is of such vast quantity to be dangerous for the entire planet. :S

Jeez dude, giver a rest;

Vilham wrote:

Ill say this once again... the BBC doesnt make claims if it doesnt see evidence to support it, they dont like making liars of themselves. If the BBC says they have seen evidence im inclined to believe them than say you. In the last 200 years we have burnt most supplies of fossil fuels that we can find... England used to be covered in forest, now its not... a hell of a lot of the worlds locked CO2 has been released. That will make an effect.

Vilham wrote:

Fen321 wrote:

huh.....isn't a portion of the smoke Co2? If so why isn't it causing the same drastic effects that our produced Co2 has on the climate?

CONSENSUS IS IRRELAVANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Don't you see the problem with consensus...it leads to bullshit being believed as true fact....not a good idea.

I believe this post wasn't 50+ minutes after my post, thus I conclude that you have yet to watch the BBC documentary. Ill give you till tomorrow evening. Otherwise I'm just gonna assume you are unwilling what so ever to even view other sides of the argument.

Vilham wrote:

Fen321 wrote:

Vilham wrote:

[=][=]DADDYOFDEATH wrote:

thing is these fkn weasel scientists bang on bout global warming, and at the end of the speech they jump into their petrol cars and fuck off home to their coal fires.(exaggeration) i know, but its peoples mindsets, its changing what they do thats the problem, and its down to everyone. will i change my petrol lowride pimp car? probably not, so i am as much to blame as everyone, so how feasibly do we sort it out? im not sure, as im fuckin pissed, but fo shizzle we better sort it out within our lifetime.   / rant.

Changing minor ways of life wont help, things like producing nuclear power will help slow it down, however we need a way to stop it for 200 years while the CO2 sorts its self out (the amount of time it will stay in the atmosphere).

You cannot slow down global warming anymore than you can prevent Ice ages...earth climate changes its dynamic its going to do this until the earth stops rotating and the sun gives out.


Maybe i'm crazy, but how does Global climatology differ from Meteorology?


Eruption of Volcanoes happen pretty consistently with regards to the entire span of the Earth history, to state otherwise is to have a very short time span in mind with regards to Global climate contributions.

I just don't understand where all the Volcano Co2 goes while OUR contributed Co2 doesn't go where the Volcano Co2 goes.....better?

watch this... http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid … &hl=en

Vilham wrote:

Fen321 wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Funny I used to be a skeptic, then I started paying attention to the evidence, just the opposite. Yes I am aware of the previous ice ages. If you look at the co2 levels they coincide nearly perfectly with temperature increases and drops.
I take it you didn't watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OiF67GaOoE. Funny you should mention the Milankovitch cycles because it helps to demonstrate the correlation between the two also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Vost … lation.jpg . Yes the earth should be heating up at this stage of the cycle, but not to the degree it is. Looking back over 650k years we have NEVER seen this trend. No we cant stop it but we can slow it, and takes steps to at least recognize it and adjust. It is important that we do this now since any change will take a long time to see. Humans are responsible for around 5 percent of the co2 in the atmosphere. Although it seems like a small amount it is the slight shift that can cause tremendous changes on a environmental level. A five degree increase in world temparatures means I am typing this post underwater.

'

Can a large Volcano contribute in its massive eruption 5% of what is human contribution if not more? If so explain to me how Volcano's can produce so much CO2 and not cause such a "drastic" change in climate. While i understand that this system is dynamic, you fail to mention the fact that we are basing predictions off what, status quo consumption. While increase in consumption in fossil fuels will undoubtedly increase green house gases, i implore you to guess where they will go....the same place the Volcano contributed Co2 will go. The system is not self contained and CO2 does not get "trapped" in the system for it is not a closed system.

What happens when you have unprecedented data, does that equate to you being correct in terms of your correlation or is there something else contributing to the change, perhaps more activity/intensity in our own sun?


In all seriousness .......weather men don't predict weather trends with 100% accuracy 1 day in advance, but we are lead to believe that these scientist will predict weather patterns that effect  the entire globe years in advance, that should throw up a red flag for any human with a fair amount of reason left in them.

The smoke they produce increase global dimming enough that it reduces global warming for a couple years. End of, this is what professionals in the field are saying. I more likely to listen to a professional than some person who has only read a small amount on it.

As to weather men, its called chaos theory.

Vilham wrote:

To end all this... the solution is called Nuclear power, and i dont give a shit what you say to that.

Vilham wrote:

[=][=]DADDYOFDEATH wrote:

thing is these fkn weasel scientists bang on bout global warming, and at the end of the speech they jump into their petrol cars and fuck off home to their coal fires.(exaggeration) i know, but its peoples mindsets, its changing what they do thats the problem, and its down to everyone. will i change my petrol lowride pimp car? probably not, so i am as much to blame as everyone, so how feasibly do we sort it out? im not sure, as im fuckin pissed, but fo shizzle we better sort it out within our lifetime.   / rant.

Changing minor ways of life wont help, things like producing nuclear power will help slow it down, however we need a way to stop it for 200 years while the CO2 sorts its self out (the amount of time it will stay in the atmosphere).

Vilham wrote:

I have to say Turquoise and Kmarion get major credit from me as the only moderate Americans that speak out against the (in my opinion) crack pots on these forums that are from America.

Vilham wrote:

ATG wrote:

This is such tripe.

I'm researching the geography of Joshua Tree for a book I'm trying to write. The geologist can look back ten thousand years through sedimentary layers and erosion patterns and they state casually that in the last ten thousand years the soil record indicates a roller coaster ride from ice age glacier locked climate back to temperate times and back again.

One reason why life has exploded in numbers of species and range of their spread is because we have enjoyed a long period of relative geological calm.

The clinmate is changing. Has changed and continously does so, getting people worked up about imaginary solutions to imaginary problems just distracts them from the real issues of illegal immigration and a already bankrupt social security system.

Cut pollution, fine. Alternative fuels, fine. Alarmist quick fixes designed mostly to hamstring and weaken America ( Kyoto ) no thank you.

Well im currently reading "A short introduction to Global Warming" by oxford press, now tbh it ain't short, its an in depth 300 page analysis with all points of view but a sound conclusion that global warming is our fault. Tbh im more likely to listen to a book written by a professor written for Oxford university press, than a random link on the internet written by someone with no clue.