Poll

Were the Bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki Necessary?

Yes70%70% - 134
No29%29% - 57
Total: 191
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7184|Argentina
It's frequently said that the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were necessary to end WWII.  But is this true?  Or were the Japs already defeated?

Critical American Voices:

General Dwight Eisenhower, Supreme Commander of the Allied forces in Europe: "The Japanese were ready to surrender and it wasn't necessary to hit them with that awful thing ... I hated to see our country be the first to use such a weapon."

Brig. General Bonnie Fellers, summed up in a memo for General MacArthur: "Neither the atomic bombing nor the entry of the Soviet Union into the war forced Japan's unconditional surrender. She was defeated before either these events took place."

Admiral Leahy, Chief of Staff to presidents Roosevelt and Truman: "It is my opinion that the use of the barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan ... The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender because of the effective sea blockade and the successful bombing with conventional weapons ... My own feeling was that in being the first to use it, we had adopted an ethical standard common to the barbarians of the Dark Ages. I was not taught to make war in that fashion, and wars cannot be won by destroying women and children."

Admiral Ernest King, US Chief of Naval Operations: "the effective naval blockade would, in the course of time, have starved the Japanese into submission through lack of oil, rice, medicines, and other essential materials."

Leo Szilard, a Hungarian-born scientist who played a major role in the development of the atomic bomb: Japan was essentially defeated," he said, and "it would be wrong to attack its cities with atomic bombs as if atomic bombs were simply another military weapon." In a 1960 magazine article, Szilard wrote: "If the Germans had dropped atomic bombs on cities instead of us, we would have defined the dropping of atomic bombs on cities as a war crime, and we would have sentenced the Germans who were guilty of this crime to death at Nuremberg and hanged them."

Last edited by sergeriver (2007-02-01 16:46:40)

unholypoo
unholy what?
+10|6808
Fire bombs killed more people and burned down more of Japan's paper houses that both a-bombs did.
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6988

unholypoo wrote:

Fire bombs killed more people and burned down more of Japan's paper houses that both a-bombs did.
And how many slow, painful deaths did it cause.

The US only dropped the bombs to scare the Soviets.  It was an excuse, nothing more.
Kukulcan
Member
+6|6728|The Battlefield
No , they WEREN'T necessary. USA could have invaded the japan , he did it with france and germany why couldn't they do with japan. They had the soldiers , they had the tanks , they had all they deserved to a full scale invasion.

I mean : war is a bad thing but i'm speaking about the difference ok deads between soldiers and civs. Launching the a.bomb has saved many soldiers' lives but killed thousands of civilians. A full scale invasion probably would have killed many more soldiers but maybe it would have saved some civs life and years of nuclear fallout and a part of the reconstruction.

The USA judged their soldiers lifes more important than the civs' ones.... that's not right , what right they had to do this? The japan was on their knees , they were weak  , probably in 3 months they would have felt.

The a.bomb condemnde the 2 regions for long time with nuclear fallout , still now japan people are paying for that mistake. The cancer rate is very high out there for example , i speak as a medic now.

If they did to ''quick the war times'' why didn't they do that also europe? I'm happy they didn't , cause i'm italian but i don't find an explanation to this.... they already had the projects ( stolen from germany ) .
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6832|North Carolina

Bubbalo wrote:

unholypoo wrote:

Fire bombs killed more people and burned down more of Japan's paper houses that both a-bombs did.
And how many slow, painful deaths did it cause.

The US only dropped the bombs to scare the Soviets.  It was an excuse, nothing more.
You're missing the point.  If we had wanted to kill off the Japanese, we would have through firebombs.

Besides, after what Japan did to its neighbors (mainly China and the Philippines), they should have been happy we didn't decide to wipe them out completely.  I can assure you that China, Korea, and most of the rest of East Asia would have praised us for that and for good reason.

Last edited by Turquoise (2007-02-01 17:03:46)

bob_6012
Resident M-14 fanatic
+59|7082|Lancaster Ohio, USA
I believe that it was necessary to drop the bombs. Japan was not going to surrender even if we knew they were defeated, they had too much pride and would have rather died than suffered the humiliation of defeat, the same reason the kamikaze existed, it's part of their Bushido code I believe, death over defeat. If we would have invaded Japan it would have made Normandy look like a picnic, with estimated casualties of over 1 million just on the invasion. You have to realize that it would have been like Iraq is today, only worse, every able citizen would have been armed and would have put up a fight. They even trained people to run little wooden boats laden with explosives into our landing craft in suicide runs. Now I'm not saying that the bombs weren't horrific, because they were, I hope that I never see nuclear warfare in my lifetime, or anyone else's for that matter, but I believe that it was one of the things that helped bring the end of the war to a speedy conclusion, and that's what counts, speed.
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,072|7199|PNW

Bubbalo wrote:

unholypoo wrote:

Fire bombs killed more people and burned down more of Japan's paper houses that both a-bombs did.
And how many slow, painful deaths did it cause.

The US only dropped the bombs to scare the Soviets.  It was an excuse, nothing more.
I'd say that roasting alive is painful enough. You don't exactly need radiation to be miserable. But I do agree that it was one way to scare the Soviets. We didn't want to divide Japan with them.

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2007-02-01 17:15:52)

Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|7008|SE London

Bubbalo wrote:

The US only dropped the bombs to scare the Soviets.  It was an excuse, nothing more.
I agree. But I also think that it probably was necessary. The scaring of the Soviets probably prevented even more bloodshed.

But who knows really.
Pernicious544
Zee Tank Skank
+80|7127|MoVal So-Cal
The use of nuclear weapons on Japan in WW2 saved lives. It was estimated that casualties would be over a million for US troops alone, civilians and Japanese soldiers would have raised that to over 2 million casualties. Also, the Japanese had plans to use chemical weapons on the western coast of the United States. It is also true that more people died from the firebombing of Tokyo then from both nuclear weapons combined. If you voted no, your a dumb ass.
bob_6012
Resident M-14 fanatic
+59|7082|Lancaster Ohio, USA

unholypoo wrote:

During Doolittle's raid, American airmen dropped 3,334,000 pounds of napalm on Tokyo, killing 100,000 people, mostly old men, women, and children, and destroying 25% of the city, but only 18% of the city's industrial capacity.
Um, are you making up facts there buddy? Those results seem like you're just pulling them straight out of your ass. The Doolittle raid consisted of 16 B-25 Mitchell bombers that only carried 1 ton of bombs each, thus 16 total tons of bombs, not napalm. The raid was more of a moral boost for the US and a downer for the Japanese, it showed them that they were not invincible and that they could be attacked on their mainland. It also did little damage to the city of Tokyo.

Here's a link to the info, I suggest you do a little research nest time: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doolittle_Raid

Edit: Got my math wrong

Last edited by bob_6012 (2007-02-01 17:29:33)

SoC./Omega
Member
+122|6968|Omaha, Nebraska!

Kukulcan wrote:

No , they WEREN'T necessary. USA could have invaded the japan , he did it with france and germany why couldn't they do with japan. They had the soldiers , they had the tanks , they had all they deserved to a full scale invasion.
Why cost more American lives when you can drop a bomb that would unleash hell and end the war?
usmarine2007
Banned
+374|6794|Columbus, Ohio
Invade Japan...good idea.  Many more troops on both sides, plus who knows how many civilians dead.  great idea kuku.
dubbs
Member
+105|7059|Lexington, KY
One of the reasons that bombs were dropped was because Japan did not want a complete surrender.  Also, a land invasion would have caused a lot to die, not only soliders.

@ the person who said that the US invaded Normandy, we also had a lot of support from other nations.  The Pacific War was mostly the US and Japan.  The US did not have as much support from the other Allies like they did in Europe, since most of Europe was rebuilding, and working out the treaties from the main part of the war from them. 

Also, I do not think that it was to scare the Soviets.  We were still Allies with them, and did not really have a reason to scare them.  If anything it was to say, The US is here to take on anyone that tries to attack us, our family, or any of our Allies.  If you have a problem with that look at what we could do.

Let me propose this question, If Japan had an atomic bomb, would they have used it?  What about Germany?  I personally think that they would have.  Desprate times call for desprate measures.  Any nation that saw that they were to loose a lot of their soliders, their brother, their husband, their sons, would have choosen the same action.

As an American, I am sad, and sorry, that our nation is the only nation to use atomic weapons during war.  I wish that the war could have ended in a completely different manner, but from what I see, that would have caused a lot of people to die, more then the atomic bombs killed.

On a different note:  I am not for sure how true it is, but I heard/read, that the US asked Japan to completely surrended before we dropped the first a-bomb, and Japan refused.  We then dropped the bomb, and asked again, but Japan refused a second time.  Hence the reason for the second a-bomb.  I have also heard, that after the first bomb, Japan said that they would surrender, but not a complete surrender.

Also, if you look at it, as horrible as the bombs were, the US has help build Japan to be the electronic capital that it is today.  We did spend a lot of money rebuilding Japan, and helping it support itself after the war.
JahManRed
wank
+646|7055|IRELAND

No


The race at the end of WW2 was to develop the ultimate weapon the A Bomb. 4Aces if you like. So when the US got the A Bomb, it should have been dropped on a military target. The US had the bomb, all the US had to do was detonate it anywhere to prove they had the power. Japan would have crumbled.  If not then pick a civilian target. You had two bombs, why was this not tried. Why the readiness to drop both on civilians?

It was an act of terrorism if we judged it by todays standards. Letting off a nuke on a civilian/soft target indiscriminately killing a dictatorships citizens would be parallel to 9/11 only 30 000 died not 3000 on the first A Bombs initial blast never mind the generations of radiation and cancer to follow, plus the second A bomb.

The Islamic terrorists who attacked NY sited US foreign policy for as their reason to attack. The two US nukes dropped on civilian cities were a direct attack against a dictatorship, not elected by the civilians, so why should they be punished for their unelected leaders decisions and foreign policies. Why not go after the dictatorship or her military might?
The people who wrote todays rules of war also label the terrorists from the freedom fighters  the "victors of wars write their own history."
SexyCabbage
One Shot, One Kill ... Always
+68|6907|Kentucky
yes they were
Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6969|Texas - Bigger than France
I voted no - they were not necessary.  I do believe the bombs saved more bloodshed and therefore were the right thing to do...which is different from "was it necessary"...the number of dead would have been much larger than had they decided to invade.
lavadisk
I am a cat ¦ 3
+369|7257|Denver colorado
yes. Just taking the islands to fly the bombs in was hell.
usmarine2007
Banned
+374|6794|Columbus, Ohio
I may be wrong, and I am sure you guys will tell me if I am.   But, if the UK would have had this weapon at the beginning of the war, I feel they would have used it.
jonsimon
Member
+224|6922
Japs were prepared to surrender, though not unconditionally. Depends on your definition of success. In my eyes? No, they were not necessary.
fadedsteve
GOP Sympathizer
+266|6918|Menlo Park, CA
It ended the worst war in human history. . .

absolutely necessary. . . .end of story

voted YES no question about it. . . .
CommieChipmunk
Member
+488|6997|Portland, OR, USA

fadedsteve wrote:

It ended the worst war in human history. . .

absolutely necessary. . . .end of story

voted YES no question about it. . . .
way to keep an open mind.  I'm sure you know everything there is to know already so don't you ever go listening to other people's opinions okay? thnx

and no, they weren't necessary, we just needed to show off our A-penis.  We had firebombed Tokyo (a city made out of wood at the time) and the japs were pretty much all out.  it was like shooting a man who had no legs and no arms in the face with a shotgun several times.  They could not have attacked us... their navy was pretty much shot, and so was their air force.  So even if they wanted to, they really couldn't have gotten off of their little island...
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6832|North Carolina

usmarine2007 wrote:

I may be wrong, and I am sure you guys will tell me if I am.   But, if the UK would have had this weapon at the beginning of the war, I feel they would have used it.
...as would the Soviets, Nazies, or Japanese...

We did what was necessary.
Fen321
Member
+54|6925|Singularity
For those stating that we dropped the bombs to scare the Soviets how does statement hold against the fact that soviets had already infiltrated the Manhattan Project and KNEW about the construction of such a device?
An Enlarged Liver
Member
+35|7170|Backward Ass Kansas

JahManRed wrote:

No


The race at the end of WW2 was to develop the ultimate weapon the A Bomb. 4Aces if you like. So when the US got the A Bomb, it should have been dropped on a military target. The US had the bomb, all the US had to do was detonate it anywhere to prove they had the power. Japan would have crumbled.  If not then pick a civilian target. You had two bombs, why was this not tried. Why the readiness to drop both on civilians?

It was an act of terrorism if we judged it by todays standards. Letting off a nuke on a civilian/soft target indiscriminately killing a dictatorships citizens would be parallel to 9/11 only 30 000 died not 3000 on the first A Bombs initial blast never mind the generations of radiation and cancer to follow, plus the second A bomb.

The Islamic terrorists who attacked NY sited US foreign policy for as their reason to attack. The two US nukes dropped on civilian cities were a direct attack against a dictatorship, not elected by the civilians, so why should they be punished for their unelected leaders decisions and foreign policies. Why not go after the dictatorship or her military might?
The people who wrote todays rules of war also label the terrorists from the freedom fighters  the "victors of wars write their own history."
If the US dropped the first one on civilians and they did not surrender, what makes you think they might have if we dropped it somewhere else??!?
lavadisk
I am a cat ¦ 3
+369|7257|Denver colorado

CommieChipmunk wrote:

fadedsteve wrote:

It ended the worst war in human history. . .

absolutely necessary. . . .end of story

voted YES no question about it. . . .
way to keep an open mind.  I'm sure you know everything there is to know already so don't you ever go listening to other people's opinions okay? thnx

and no, they weren't necessary, we just needed to show off our A-penis.  We had firebombed Tokyo (a city made out of wood at the time) and the japs were pretty much all out.  it was like shooting a man who had no legs and no arms in the face with a shotgun several times.  They could not have attacked us... their navy was pretty much shot, and so was their air force.  So even if they wanted to, they really couldn't have gotten off of their little island...
after the us invaded one of their islands the villagers jumped off cliffs so they would still have honor. And you've obviously heard of kamikaze? right.

Well. I think that trying to invade the entire island by ground or whatever other means could have happened would still have had just as negative effect as nuking them and my guess is that that swift attack to them was necessary to show them whats gonna happen if they keep up.

I'm not just saying this in the name of being American. I'm learning Japanese and after my senior year I'm going to be an exchage student.

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