BF2S Forums Global warming 'very likely' man-made

Bertster7 wrote:

Major_Spittle wrote:

from EPA jibber jabber- "Global Warming Potential: a number that refers to the amount of global warming caused by a substance
The GWP is the ratio of the warming caused by a substance to the warming caused by a similar mass of carbon dioxide. Thus, the GWP of CO2 is defined to be 1.0 . CFC-12 has a GWP of 8,500, while CFC-11 has a GWP of 5,000. Various HCFCs and HFCs have GWPs ranging from 93 to 12,100. Water, a substitute in numerous end-uses, has a GWP of 0. A table of all ozone-depleting substances shows their ODPs, GWPs, and CAS numbers, and another table shows the GWPs for many non-ozone-depleting substances. "

That's taken totally out of context. There are nothing like the same quantity of CFCs being released into the atmosphere as Carbon. Look at the impact of CFCs on the overall greenhouse gas effect. Note the fact that CFCs as greenhouse gases are measured by parts per trillion (ppt) not parts per million (ppm) like CO₂.

You are just searching for arguments to support your own conclusions, which you're not doing very well at.

If you want to make a proper argument of it, you could always read this:

http://www.grida.no/climate/ipcc_tar/wg1/160.htm

But that's assuming you actually give a damn, which I doubt.

Sorry, back in the '80s the big thing was that the depleation of the Ozone would melt the Ice caps by like 2050 and flood and kill and burn us all. 

So, I now stand corrected and we are all going to die.  Are you happy now?

Bertster7 wrote:

No, it would just make us all die from UV radiation (global warming's the flooding one). Pretty bad. But that's getting better.

Especially if you make sunscreen...

Last edited by UON (2007-02-01 17:04:55)

Australia have had a 16 year drought, snow in November (Summer), and a jump in an average temperature.  And this is not caused by Global Warming?

We have even seen parts of the ice caps floating to NZ!

I could even go to count how many good rains we have had here and i could fit the number on one hand

Last edited by R3v4n (2007-02-01 17:19:19)

"Global Warming" is the present. "Global Cooling" is the past... I think "Global Cooling" will make a great story for those flaming liberals in another 30 years, what do ya think? Seeing how history repeats itself. Or maybe that Florida has frost on their oranges, or that we're in the single digits?...(Buffalo)

After all, we've only got 8 Years, 361 Days, 3 Hours, 23 Minutes, and 30 seconds left...
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/eibess … guest.html

Last edited by ReDevilJR (2007-02-01 17:37:29)

Yeah, i had it in quotes because it's not true... As in, it's made up B.S.   

Kmarion wrote:

weamo8 wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

2/1/7
http://i9.tinypic.com/2qno03q.jpg
PARIS - A long-awaited report says global warming is "very likely" man-made, the most powerful language ever used on the issue by the world's leading climate scientists, delegates who have seen the report said Thursday.

In the end, there was little debate on the strength of the wording about human activity most likely to blame.

"That is a big move. I hope it is a powerful statement," said Jan Pretel, head of the department of climate change at the Czech Hydrometeorological Institute.

http://i5.tinypic.com/2mglilk.jpg
While critics call the panel overly alarmist, it is by nature relatively cautious because it relies on hundreds of scientists, including skeptics and industry researchers.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070201/ap_ … _change_15
http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/science/02 … cnn_latest
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/02/ … 0509.shtml
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/20 … 838567.htm

very likely??  That sounds pretty worrysome.  Remember when the Earth was "very likely" flat in the minds of much of the western world?

The earth is definitely heating up, but the earth has come out of ice ages before with no help from man.  I don't think the pollution is particularly helping, but people are being way too "alarmist."

I was quoting hundreds of scientist with an intense amount of research. You have a decent amount of evidence to contradict them?

Did you know that there were Ice Ages on the Earth when there were more way more greenhouse gases in the atmosphere than there are today?  Read about things like Milankovitch Cycles.  Did you know that it is estimated that the volcano Cracatoa put out more C02 than all of mankind has in the last 50 years?  By every record of every heat trend for the past 600,000 years, the Earth should be heating up right now.  There is tons of evidence to contradict them.  I dont have time to list them all, but I will tell you this, I used to be so concerned about it that I almost by a hybrid car.  Then, as I began to study more and more about it, I really started to see that people are making way too big of a deal out of this.  The earth is heating up.  It is true that we are probably contributing to this - a tiny bit.  However, even if everyone on earth started being 100% green, destroying our economies, vacations, computers, and everything else we enjoy, the earth would still continue to heat up.  It is called adaptation.  We should all try it.

I´m not saying global warming doesnt exist, Its a huge media hype now though everywhere you hear Oh my god! it´s 2 celsius above normal today! Global Warming!

I prefer to watch South Parks Episode about the issue "Two Days before the day after tomorrow" , makes more sense than the news you read nowadays.

dubbs wrote:

LT.Victim wrote:

Wait a second, people are still arguing over whether or not Global Warming is being caused by man?

Ya, cause all those cars and factories couldn't have anything to do with it...

Before I start, I believe that man has effected Global Warming, but is not the cause of it completely.  I do believe that the Earth goes through warm, and cold cycles, and that man has increased the rate that the Earth has heated up.  I also think that we should do something to reduce our effect.  I do not support people like Al Gore who speak on this issue, because I feel that he is very hypocritical on the issue.  Instead of flying in a large private plane, when he could be taking a commercial liner, or at least a smaller plane, and instead of a SUV or limo, a hybrid would be nice.

I found it funny that some people say that cows produce more methane (sp?), and cause GW more then humans do yearly.

finally, someone else realizes in his movie he drives a gas guzzler...

If global warming is a problem, then so be it.

It's the proposed solution that sucks.  Kyoto is not good enough.  It will costs far too much for any economy to bear.

Worst thing: in Canada, Ontario's auto industry, one of the largest emitters in the country, has been exempted from Kyoto.  This sets a dangerous precedent: every politically connected industry will also demand an exemption.  So it's fair to say that Ontario has been exempted.  That means Alberta will be forced to pay for the whole thing.  Well nuts to that!  Alberta should leave Canada if that happens.  I lived through one National Energy Policy (1980-84), I will not see a second.

weamo8 wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

weamo8 wrote:

very likely??  That sounds pretty worrysome.  Remember when the Earth was "very likely" flat in the minds of much of the western world?

The earth is definitely heating up, but the earth has come out of ice ages before with no help from man.  I don't think the pollution is particularly helping, but people are being way too "alarmist."

I was quoting hundreds of scientist with an intense amount of research. You have a decent amount of evidence to contradict them?

Did you know that there were Ice Ages on the Earth when there were more way more greenhouse gases in the atmosphere than there are today?  Read about things like Milankovitch Cycles.  Did you know that it is estimated that the volcano Cracatoa put out more C02 than all of mankind has in the last 50 years?  By every record of every heat trend for the past 600,000 years, the Earth should be heating up right now.  There is tons of evidence to contradict them.  I dont have time to list them all, but I will tell you this, I used to be so concerned about it that I almost by a hybrid car.  Then, as I began to study more and more about it, I really started to see that people are making way too big of a deal out of this.  The earth is heating up.  It is true that we are probably contributing to this - a tiny bit.  However, even if everyone on earth started being 100% green, destroying our economies, vacations, computers, and everything else we enjoy, the earth would still continue to heat up.  It is called adaptation.  We should all try it.

Funny I used to be a skeptic, then I started paying attention to the evidence, just the opposite. Yes I am aware of the previous ice ages. If you look at the co2 levels they coincide nearly perfectly with temperature increases and drops.
I take it you didn't watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OiF67GaOoE. Funny you should mention the Milankovitch cycles because it helps to demonstrate the correlation between the two also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Vost … lation.jpg . Yes the earth should be heating up at this stage of the cycle, but not to the degree it is. Looking back over 650k years we have NEVER seen this trend. No we cant stop it but we can slow it, and takes steps to at least recognize it and adjust. It is important that we do this now since any change will take a long time to see. Humans are responsible for around 5 percent of the co2 in the atmosphere. Although it seems like a small amount it is the slight shift that can cause tremendous changes on a environmental level. A five degree increase in world temparatures means I am typing this post underwater.

Last edited by Kmarion (2007-02-01 18:14:31)

ReDevilJR wrote:

"Global Warming" is the present. "Global Cooling" is the past... I think "Global Cooling" will make a great story for those flaming liberals in another 30 years, what do ya think? Seeing how history repeats itself. Or maybe that Florida has frost on their oranges, or that we're in the single digits?...(Buffalo)

After all, we've only got 8 Years, 361 Days, 3 Hours, 23 Minutes, and 30 seconds left...
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/eibess … guest.html

You're using Rush Limbaugh as a source...  wow...  You're not big on facts, are you?  Global warming is just a conspiracy by the factinistas, eh?

Turquoise wrote:

ReDevilJR wrote:

"Global Warming" is the present. "Global Cooling" is the past... I think "Global Cooling" will make a great story for those flaming liberals in another 30 years, what do ya think? Seeing how history repeats itself. Or maybe that Florida has frost on their oranges, or that we're in the single digits?...(Buffalo)

After all, we've only got 8 Years, 361 Days, 3 Hours, 23 Minutes, and 30 seconds left...
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/eibess … guest.html

You're using Rush Limbaugh as a source...  wow...  You're not big on facts, are you?  Global warming is just a conspiracy by the factinistas, eh?

Pretty much right on... And yes, Limbaugh is the man, while I don't believe 100% of his political opinions, I'm all the way with him on the "Global Warming" "issue." If Gore truly cared, he'd be doing publicity daily to gain people's attention, and ACTUALLY using fuel efficient means of transportation.

Last edited by ReDevilJR (2007-02-01 18:41:54)