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Poll

Do you agree with John Howard

No to Sharia Law in Australia82%82% - 42
Yes to Sharia Law in Australia15%15% - 8
Why not both ways1%1% - 1
Total: 51
2007-01-31 17:20:12
UGADawgs
Member
+13|6747|South Carolina, US

Ratzinger wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

We have never suggested a separate geographical area where a different rule of law applies.
*cough* UTAH *cough*
They don't allow polygamy or anything like that in Utah.

To anyone who thinks Sharia law should be in Australia, you're entitled to that opinion, but I'm also entitled to the opinion that you're an idiot. Sharia law is the complete opposite of Western ideals of freedom and democracy. We definitely don't need anyone handing out stonings in a Western nation.
2007-01-31 17:38:23
ScarletPimpFromHell
... this one goes to 11.
+12|6815|Sydney, Australia
I can't see John Howard saying much of this at all. He's far too a politician to have publicly voiced this.

I do however whole heartedly agree with the sentiment. There is no place for Sharia law or its practitioners in Australia.
2007-01-31 17:48:34
-=CB=-krazykarl
not always PWD, but usually.
+95|6962|Carlsbad, CA, USA

smtt686 wrote:

And now a quote from Theodore Roosevelt


"In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."

Theodore Roosevelt 1907
thank you good sir, that is awesome, and oh so true.
2007-01-31 18:37:50
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6831|North Carolina

Ratzinger wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

We have never suggested a separate geographical area where a different rule of law applies.
*cough* UTAH *cough*
You're thinking of Mormons.  Mormonism is a different religion altogether.  Granted, it is related to Christianity.
2007-01-31 18:40:08
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6987

Stingray24 wrote:

Pardon me, but the Christians I know vote if we advocate a change in law.
And threatening abortionists would be campaigning?

Stingray24 wrote:

We vote for Representatives, Senators, and Presidents whom we agree with.  We have never suggested a separate geographical area where a different rule of law applies.
Hey dipshit: this is talking about Australia.  How about before you comment on what Christians in Australia do or don't say or do, you actually learn about it.  Rather than talking out your ass and looking like an idiot.  We don't have presidents, and we rarely use the terms representative or senator, because the only ones who matter are the ministers.  But hey, you couldn't actually be expected to have a clue what you're talking about, could you.
2007-01-31 18:41:11
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6987

Turquoise wrote:

Ratzinger wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

We have never suggested a separate geographical area where a different rule of law applies.
*cough* UTAH *cough*
You're thinking of Mormons.  Mormonism is a different religion altogether.  Granted, it is related to Christianity.
They believe in Christ.  They're Christians.
2007-01-31 18:44:09
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6831|North Carolina

Bubbalo wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

Pardon me, but the Christians I know vote if we advocate a change in law.
And threatening abortionists would be campaigning?
Very good point....

Bubbalo wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

We vote for Representatives, Senators, and Presidents whom we agree with.  We have never suggested a separate geographical area where a different rule of law applies.
Hey dipshit: this is talking about Australia.  How about before you comment on what Christians in Australia do or don't say or do, you actually learn about it.  Rather than talking out your ass and looking like an idiot.  We don't have presidents, and we rarely use the terms representative or senator, because the only ones who matter are the ministers.  But hey, you couldn't actually be expected to have a clue what you're talking about, could you.
There's no need to fling insults at him.  Maybe he was bringing the context of America into an Australian discussion, but that doesn't make him a "dipshit."

Obviously, you're going to know more about Australian Christians than I will, but I'd wager a guess that they haven't tried to come up with a separate law system (especially a really oppressive one) to badger your society with, have they?  Let me know if I'm wrong here.
2007-01-31 18:46:00
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6831|North Carolina

Bubbalo wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Ratzinger wrote:

*cough* UTAH *cough*
You're thinking of Mormons.  Mormonism is a different religion altogether.  Granted, it is related to Christianity.
They believe in Christ.  They're Christians.
Let's just say that many Christians and Mormons would disagree with you on that categorization.  Still, I can see where the ambiguity comes into play.
2007-01-31 18:51:47
aardfrith
Δ > x > ¥
+145|7218
I wonder what the Abo's feel about this.  Is John Howard's message also directed at them - "if you don't like our culture, fuck off back to where you came from" - because if they don't like it, where do they go?
2007-01-31 19:01:20
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6987

Turquoise wrote:

Obviously, you're going to know more about Australian Christians than I will, but I'd wager a guess that they haven't tried to come up with a separate law system (especially a really oppressive one) to badger your society with, have they?  Let me know if I'm wrong here.
And the first I've heard of any Muslims attempting to set up Shari law is John Howard telling them they can't.

Turquoise wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

You're thinking of Mormons.  Mormonism is a different religion altogether.  Granted, it is related to Christianity.
They believe in Christ.  They're Christians.
Let's just say that many Christians and Mormons would disagree with you on that categorization.  Still, I can see where the ambiguity comes into play.
Believing in Christ is the definition of being a Christian, whether they like it or not.

aardfrith wrote:

I wonder what the Abo's feel about this.  Is John Howard's message also directed at them - "if you don't like our culture, fuck off back to where you came from" - because if they don't like it, where do they go?
Indeed.  Funnily enough, most states have Koori (sp?) courts, that is, traditional Aboriginal courts, which don't use jails.  And they tend to be alot more successful.

Last edited by Bubbalo (2007-01-31 19:03:26)

2007-02-01 00:57:54
BVC
Member
+325|7121

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

Why the hell would they want to move to Australia if they wanted sharia laws.
Because they want Sharia to be everywhere.

<<<FTDM>>>Gen.Raven wrote:

Mongoose wrote:

If this awesome law gets past, Howard's popularity will skyrocket
id tap that...
You'd have sex with John Howard?
2007-02-01 01:07:59
RavyGravy
Son.
+617|6831|NSW, Australia

Pubic wrote:

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

Why the hell would they want to move to Australia if they wanted sharia laws.
Because they want Sharia to be everywhere.

<<<FTDM>>>Gen.Raven wrote:

Mongoose wrote:

If this awesome law gets past, Howard's popularity will skyrocket
id tap that...
You'd have sex with John Howard?
taping and sex are very different things, i suggest you get your mind out of the gutter young man
2007-02-01 01:13:35
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,072|7198|PNW

Bubbalo wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:

They believe in Christ.  They're Christians.
Let's just say that many Christians and Mormons would disagree with you on that categorization.  Still, I can see where the ambiguity comes into play.
Believing in Christ is the definition of being a Christian, whether they like it or not.
@Bubbalo - Correct. In addition, the official title of the 'Mormon' church is the 'Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints'. Those Protestant churches who deny the Christianity of Mormons forget that their own individual churches split from the original (or from products of other similar 'rebellions').
@Turquoise - Non-Mormon protestants seem to be responsible for the most hating in regards to Mormon/Non-Mormon relations.

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2007-02-01 01:22:05)

 

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