Poll

Is filesharing ok?

Yes - hollywood and the music industry are rich enough86%86% - 115
No - it's stealing13%13% - 18
Total: 133
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6871|The Land of Scott Walker
This study is very interesting:

Roughly 25 million Americans — or 18 percent of the U.S. online population — have illegally downloaded a full-length movie, a study released Wednesday asserts. In a study of 2,600 Americans polled via telephone and online, Digital Life America, a unit of Solutions Research Group, found that 32 million Americans had downloaded a movie at some point in the past.

Of that number, 80 percent of those users — or 25.6 million Americans — exclusively used peer-to-peer file-sharing sites, the vast majority of which have typically been used for exchanging copyrighted files.
The number of regular file-sharing users doubled between 2005 and 2006, the study found.
"It's all inclusive but as we note a few lines down, 80 percent of downloaders use only P2P," said Kaan Yigit, the director of the study, in an e-mail Wednesday night. "CinemaNow!, MovieLink, Amazon Unbox are minuscule at this point — iTunes accounts for the bulk of whatever legal downloads there is."

The study's authors didn't clarify whether "downloaded" implied illegal downloads or participation in legal services such as CinemaNow!  Some file-sharing sites, such as BitTorrent.org, have also signed deals with movie houses for legal distribution of licensed films.  The authors of the study did not respond to a request for clarification by post time.  The perspective is that users simply don't care, or believe, that the studios are being hurt by piracy, the self-funded study found.  The survey revealed that 78 percent of those surveyed found that physically stealing a DVD from a store was a serious offense, but only 40 percent believed copying the movie digital also merited a serious offense.  The study pointed out that those surveyed described an example of a "serious offense" as parking in a fire lane.

"There is a Robin Hood effect — most people perceive celebrities and studios to be rich already and as a result don't think of movie downloading as a big deal," Yigit said, in a statement. "The current crop of 'download to own' movie services and the new ones coming into the market will need to offer greater flexibility of use, selection and low prices to convert the current users to their services — otherwise file-sharing will continue to thrive."

The study also found that:
— A typical movie downloader is 29 years of age; 63 percent of all downloaders are male, and 37 percent are female.
— A downloader typically has 16 full-length movies stored on his PC.
— Of those surveyed, 56 percent watched a DVD on a PC at some point, while 29 percent watched a DVD on a PC in the last month. About 25 percent have watched a streaming TV show on their PC.
The study's authors estimated their error rates at plus or minus 2.4 percent.
usmarine2007
Banned
+374|6793|Columbus, Ohio
If they would stop making such shitty movies, then ripping me off at the theater to see said shitty movie, I would say no......but yes.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7027|132 and Bush

— A downloader typically has 16 full-length movies stored on his PC.
lol.. I have 1.8 TB and I don't keep 16 Movies on my PC.
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ghettoperson
Member
+1,943|7075

I'm null voting as I'm in two minds about it. First of all, movies are expensive to go and see (about 9/10 euro over here, or $11.69/$12.98 or £5.97/£6.64) and so when you go and find out it's complete shit it's a considerable waste of money. So in that respect, it's hardly surprising; people don't want to waste money. The profits made on movies are mahoosive, so downloading a couple of movies isn't really going to hurt that much. That said though, if directors/investors think making movies is no longer financially viable, there won't be as many, or perhaps they'll start paying actors amounts they are deserving off... Can't really see the latter happening though.
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|7142
It's legal here in Taiwan.
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Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6871|The Land of Scott Walker
I'm having a tough time making a decision on this issue.  The music industry and hollywood say it's illegal and that anyone who DLed a movie is just as bad as someone who steals cars for a living. My position is they just want more money out of the product they've already sold that is bouncing around the internet. 

As a kid I used to record all my favorite songs off the radio with a cassette and that wasn’t illegal because the radio station had purchased the music and broadcasted it.  I see the free streaming sites much like the radio stations.  On their sites I can set up my own radio stations and stream all day long at no charge and quite good quality.  They have paid for the music, just like a radio station, and are broadcasting it over the net.  There are programs that exist that enable recording of the streaming music, too.  In light of that, I don't see why file sharing is so bad.  It seems to me that file sharing is very similar to recording the songs off the radio or recording off a streaming music site.
Sydney
2λчиэλ
+783|7269|Reykjavík, Iceland.

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

It's legal here in Taiwan.
Careful, you don't want to attract thousands of immigrants.
Janysc
Member
+59|7109|Norway

PBAsydney wrote:

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

It's legal here in Taiwan.
Careful, you don't want to attract thousands of immigrants.
I have my passport already. Threatening Chinese or not, I'm leaving! Free movies!
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|7047|London, England
They're rich enough from endorsments and shit. Free media = popularity for stars

Populatiry = endorsments

Everybody wins except for Record companies, nobody likes record companies.
Pice_of_paper
oBy| Back In Business
+28|6888

Janysc wrote:

PBAsydney wrote:

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

It's legal here in Taiwan.
Careful, you don't want to attract thousands of immigrants.
I have my passport already. Threatening Chinese or not, I'm leaving! Free movies!
haha yay free movies
oug
Calmer than you are.
+380|6945|Πάϊ

a study released Wednesday wrote:

Roughly 25 million Americans — or 18 percent of the U.S. online population — have illegally downloaded a full-length movie
If this isn't an understatement, then I don't know what is.
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Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6871|The Land of Scott Walker

oug wrote:

a study released Wednesday wrote:

Roughly 25 million Americans — or 18 percent of the U.S. online population — have illegally downloaded a full-length movie
If this isn't an understatement, then I don't know what is.
That thought crossed my mind, too.  Add in the rest of the world and that number mushrooms.
Ubersturmbannfuhrer
I am a fucking homosexual
+211|7032|Parainen, Finland
Let`s say like this:

If i like something, I buy it!!!
So when someone gives out an album i dawnload it first, then if it is OK, I buy it. Just to sponsor them(Bands).
Movies...Well same goes here...
Who want`s to buy shit????
oug
Calmer than you are.
+380|6945|Πάϊ
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@ the record companies lol
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Elamdri
The New Johnnie Cochran
+134|7072|Peoria
I just wish DVD's and CD's were fairly priced.
TheDarkRaven
ATG's First Disciple
+263|7050|Birmingham, UK
I don't like it when people post questions such as this:

"Is filesharing ok?

Yes - hollywood and the music industry are rich enough
No - it's stealing."

I challenge that the yes & 'rich enough' are two totally separate issues and should not be confused. Also, no & 'it's stealing' have a slight difference that is hard to explain (PM me if you want me to try...)!

I was going to write a piece about the difference, but then I realised that most of you wouldn't read it, and even more wouldn't care. If anyone really IS interested they can PM me about it and I'd be happy to have a conversation over MSN Messenger about it (ironic, really - most of you won't realise why) or I'd be happy to PM you back or even e-mail.

Good luck with biting the hand that feeds you, music & film lovers(!)
Little do you know, but file-sharing could be an indirect cause of the slowing pace of developing & release of technologies (see Blu-Ray & HD-DVD holding up HVD) - PM me about that if you don't understand that! There's a trend here...just PM me.

All the best,
Andy
LaidBackNinja
Pony Slaystation
+343|7135|Charlie One Alpha

Ubersturmbannfuhrer wrote:

Let`s say like this:

If i like something, I buy it!!!
So when someone gives out an album i dawnload it first, then if it is OK, I buy it. Just to sponsor them(Bands).
Movies...Well same goes here...
Who want`s to buy shit????
Same here... I download to see if it's any good, and if it is, I buy it.
"If you want a vision of the future, imagine SecuROM slapping your face with its dick -- forever." -George Orwell
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6871|The Land of Scott Walker

Elamdri wrote:

I just wish DVD's and CD's were fairly priced.
Good point.  It costs so little to produce those pieces of plastic it's ridiculous to charge an average of $15 for CDs and more for DVDs.
heggs
Spamalamadingdong
+581|6814|New York
you're better off going to shows and buying merch from bands than buying their cd's to support them. they make less money on cd sales than merch and shows.
Remember Me As A Time Of Day
confused
Member
+10|6820|British Columbia
Guy goes to blockbuster, rents a DVD for 7 days, watches it that evening and then passes it out to friends on each of the next six days.

Is the difference that no one keeps it.  If that is true, then downloading a movie, watching it and deleting it should be okay.  Yet downloading a movie or song by itself is considered wrong.
Volatile
Member
+252|7130|Sextupling in Empire

Kmarion wrote:

— A downloader typically has 16 full-length movies stored on his PC.
lol.. I have 1.8 TB and I don't keep 16 Movies on my PC.
Seriously, where do they get this shit. I don't recall someone calling or stopping by to ask what my illegal download habits are.
Agent_Dung_Bomb
Member
+302|7162|Salt Lake City

Stingray24 wrote:

Elamdri wrote:

I just wish DVD's and CD's were fairly priced.
Good point.  It costs so little to produce those pieces of plastic it's ridiculous to charge an average of $15 for CDs and more for DVDs.
The cost of the physical product production is not what determines how much you are charged.  I'm surprised that anyone even thought the media itself was part of the high cost.
Agent_Dung_Bomb
Member
+302|7162|Salt Lake City

confused wrote:

Guy goes to blockbuster, rents a DVD for 7 days, watches it that evening and then passes it out to friends on each of the next six days.

Is the difference that no one keeps it.  If that is true, then downloading a movie, watching it and deleting it should be okay.  Yet downloading a movie or song by itself is considered wrong.
It has nothing to do with not keeping it.  Video rental stores still have to pay for the movies and licensing fees to be able to rent them out.  When you rent a movie you are paying the appropriate parties for the right to view it.
UON
Junglist Massive
+223|7079

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

confused wrote:

Guy goes to blockbuster, rents a DVD for 7 days, watches it that evening and then passes it out to friends on each of the next six days.

Is the difference that no one keeps it.  If that is true, then downloading a movie, watching it and deleting it should be okay.  Yet downloading a movie or song by itself is considered wrong.
It has nothing to do with not keeping it.  Video rental stores still have to pay for the movies and licensing fees to be able to rent them out.  When you rent a movie you are paying the appropriate parties for the right to view it.
Yet all the digital downloader services (at least those I've checked out) seem to trying to justify a similar price point as the average rental, if not more.  When in fact the overheads should be minimal.  When they work out how to leverage P2P for rental, you can damn well be sure someone will be adding 1000% to the royalties the publisher earns from those viewings, despite the zero distro cost.  Price gouging doesn't care about medium of delivery.  Look at FiveDownload here in the UK... £2.50 ($5) to watch a single episode of CSI for a couple of days, yet they show about 15 episodes per week on TV... arseholes....
max
Vela Incident
+1,652|6993|NYC / Hamburg

and i'm proudly one of them (well i'm not american but still)
once upon a midnight dreary, while i pron surfed, weak and weary, over many a strange and spurious site of ' hot  xxx galore'. While i clicked my fav'rite bookmark, suddenly there came a warning, and my heart was filled with mourning, mourning for my dear amour, " 'Tis not possible!", i muttered, " give me back my free hardcore!"..... quoth the server, 404.

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