Thank you for speaking for me, but you are wrong. I suggest you speak for yourself in the future.Vilham wrote:
Hes talking about the fact that America has no culture, so he doesnt understand other countries wanting to preserve theirs. Roughly speaking.TeamZephyr wrote:
What are you talking about?usmarine2007 wrote:
Or people are just a bunch of cunts looking for something to blame for their lot in life except themselves.
The London Bombers in their Suicide videos stated that the Iraq war was the reason why they blew themselves and commuters up. They openly blamed George Bush and Tony Blair for their reasons in said videos. If the UK hadn't followed the US foreign policies into Iraqi, those bombings wouldn't have happened and the suspects you link to above wouldn't have tried either. A good example of how US foreign policy and the UK's blind allegiance has alienated & angered British Muslims enough that they would carry something like this through. It was a cowardly murderous act, but we never as a society ask why it happened.usmarine2007 wrote:
What should concern you is stuff like this also...Varegg wrote:
Dont think most people are obsessed with US politics to the degree you think they are, but when US foreign politics could endanger the rest of the world we are allowed to voice an opinion !
And US politics as of now is pissing some unstable governments off and that could eventually have an inpact on its allies, and that again concerns us imho !
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070115/ap_ … n_bombings
People spend too much time asking "why didn't we stop them" and "how can we stop it happening again " instead of "why did they do it?"
Not these guys in the story. They didn't say crap about Iraq. You think the French riots with muslims was about Iraq? You think that does not breed hate against Europe in the muslim world?JahManRed wrote:
The London Bombers in their Suicide videos stated that the Iraq war was the reason why they blew themselves and commuters up. They openly blamed George Bush and Tony Blair for their reasons in said videos. If the UK hadn't followed the US foreign policies into Iraqi, those bombings wouldn't have happened and the suspects you link to above wouldn't have tried either. A good example of how US foreign policy and the UK's blind allegiance has alienated & angered British Muslims enough that they would carry something like this through. It was a cowardly murderous act, but we never as a society ask why it happened.usmarine2007 wrote:
What should concern you is stuff like this also...Varegg wrote:
Dont think most people are obsessed with US politics to the degree you think they are, but when US foreign politics could endanger the rest of the world we are allowed to voice an opinion !
And US politics as of now is pissing some unstable governments off and that could eventually have an inpact on its allies, and that again concerns us imho !
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070115/ap_ … n_bombings
People spend too much time asking "why didn't we stop them" and "how can we stop it happening again " instead of "why did they do it?"
I think it all comes down to the fact that the US is in quite a unique position to affect the entire world and does actually use its power, whereas most other countries aren't. Hence you get a lot of discussion over US policies and slightly fewer threads over the politics of Liechtenstein.
I agree. But all I hear is people bitching that Americans need to open their minds and that there is more to the world than them. That can be kind of hard when those same people constantly talk about America..:XDR:.PureFodder wrote:
I think it all comes down to the fact that the US is in quite a unique position to affect the entire world and does actually use its power, whereas most other countries aren't. Hence you get a lot of discussion over US policies and slightly fewer threads over the politics of Liechtenstein.
Usmarine2007, its hard to live in denial why not come out into the "know" and realize that foreign policies effect well.......FOREIGN COUNTRIES!!! Since these counties that are being effect are foreign consequently more and more people will be effected by our actions, and also as a consequence people will begin to praise or criticize that action.
If anything why does it bother you so much that people are "bashing" America for any reason? Are you that patriotic that some how you fail to differentiate between denouncing politicians/policies yet this does not equate to an over all hatred of everything American.
Honestly though most of the threads I've read will ultimately fall into some aspect that effects more than Americans back at home hence why most responders will make it a point for you to realize that our actions will have an effect on their countries, always with a different degree of impact I'm sure.
If anything why does it bother you so much that people are "bashing" America for any reason? Are you that patriotic that some how you fail to differentiate between denouncing politicians/policies yet this does not equate to an over all hatred of everything American.
Honestly though most of the threads I've read will ultimately fall into some aspect that effects more than Americans back at home hence why most responders will make it a point for you to realize that our actions will have an effect on their countries, always with a different degree of impact I'm sure.
Agree. If someone from Iraq or Afghanistan wants to come in here and bitch...have at it. My question is how does it affect someone in Sweden?Fen321 wrote:
Usmarine2007, its hard to live in denial why not come out into the "know" and realize that foreign policies effect well.......FOREIGN COUNTRIES!!! Since these counties that are being effect are foreign consequently more and more people will be effected by our actions, and also as a consequence people will begin to praise or criticize that action.
If anything why does it bother you so much that people are "bashing" America for any reason? Are you that patriotic that some how you fail to differentiate between denouncing politicians/policies yet this does not equate to an over all hatred of everything American.
Honestly though most of the threads I've read will ultimately fall into some aspect that effects more than Americans back at home hence why most responders will make it a point for you to realize that our actions will have an effect on their countries, always with a different degree of impact I'm sure.
Firstly, remember anything that happened in Europe over 231 years ago is part of the US's heritage of genocide war and surrender.Kmarion wrote:
From a post I made earlier..usmarine2007 wrote:
I see what you guys are saying. But there is a difference between discussion and obsession.Kmarion wrote:
"Europe is in the midst of an identity crisis. They have to deal with their brutal past while being insulted by Americas upstart success. The old continental powers are still far from forgiving us for supplanting them in the strategic arena. If we were as cruel as Europe was in the wake of the twentieth century wars we would be much better liked. The primary goal of Western European societies for the past half century has been to prove the US is as cruel and corrupt as they themselves have been. When your heritage is genocide, wars of aggression, or cowardly surrender the record of the United States can be hard to bear. They cannot avoid measuring themselves against us, but the disparities they discover are so great that Europe's moral delinquents cannot resist comforting themselves with the lies about our purported clumsiness, violence, and crudity without pausing to ask themselves how such a pathetic mediocrities could have built the richest, most powerful, and desirable society in history. When it comes to self examination the heartlands of Europe are simply the Mid-east lite."
The American record, including civil war, almost complete destruction of the local peoples, failed wars in Vietnam and Korea, failure to get involved in WW2 for the first few years, then only due to being directly attacked (even then the US may not have declared war on the Germans, it was Hitler who declared war on the US the next day). The current success of the US is due in part to their failure to commit to WW2, choosing to become rich by selling supplies to the Allies while Europe destroyed itself. The basis for the American society today is the European society of yesteryear anyway and the only reason it's the richest most powerful and most desirable society in history is simple because it's the current one. In Roman times the Roman society was the richest, most powerful and desirable in history and in a couple of hundred years the US won't be the most powerful, etc. in history because something else will be more modern and better.
If we actually look a little deeper we find that the US isn't even that desirable. There are many European societies that are rated higher than that of the US anyway.
Someone needs to have a proper look at their own country before declaring it to be the greatest thing ever.
most of em, i get the feeling that they were THOSE kids in high school......you know who im talking about.
the ones who HAD to go against everything....rebel, rebel, rebel.
anything to be accepted and seem "cool".
keep going against the grain all you rebels............you really are making a difference, LOL.
the ones who HAD to go against everything....rebel, rebel, rebel.
anything to be accepted and seem "cool".
keep going against the grain all you rebels............you really are making a difference, LOL.
I blame the people who don't get off their asses and find a job....:XDR:.PureFodder wrote:
If we actually look a little deeper we find that the US isn't even that desirable. There are many European societies that are rated higher than that of the US anyway.Kmarion wrote:
From a post I made earlier..usmarine2007 wrote:
I see what you guys are saying. But there is a difference between discussion and obsession.Kmarion wrote:
"Europe is in the midst of an identity crisis. They have to deal with their brutal past while being insulted by Americas upstart success. The old continental powers are still far from forgiving us for supplanting them in the strategic arena. If we were as cruel as Europe was in the wake of the twentieth century wars we would be much better liked. The primary goal of Western European societies for the past half century has been to prove the US is as cruel and corrupt as they themselves have been. When your heritage is genocide, wars of aggression, or cowardly surrender the record of the United States can be hard to bear. They cannot avoid measuring themselves against us, but the disparities they discover are so great that Europe's moral delinquents cannot resist comforting themselves with the lies about our purported clumsiness, violence, and crudity without pausing to ask themselves how such a pathetic mediocrities could have built the richest, most powerful, and desirable society in history. When it comes to self examination the heartlands of Europe are simply the Mid-east lite."
I still find it hilariously naive of people to think that if we just leave them all alone, they'll never do anything to us. Europe already has a problem of an angry, unassimilated working class of Muslims who hate European society. It doesn't have anything to do with just Iraq. This is a problem that has been festering for years, and to think that the Iraq War created terrorism itself is ridiculous.JahManRed wrote:
The London Bombers in their Suicide videos stated that the Iraq war was the reason why they blew themselves and commuters up. They openly blamed George Bush and Tony Blair for their reasons in said videos. If the UK hadn't followed the US foreign policies into Iraqi, those bombings wouldn't have happened and the suspects you link to above wouldn't have tried either. A good example of how US foreign policy and the UK's blind allegiance has alienated & angered British Muslims enough that they would carry something like this through. It was a cowardly murderous act, but we never as a society ask why it happened.usmarine2007 wrote:
What should concern you is stuff like this also...Varegg wrote:
Dont think most people are obsessed with US politics to the degree you think they are, but when US foreign politics could endanger the rest of the world we are allowed to voice an opinion !
And US politics as of now is pissing some unstable governments off and that could eventually have an inpact on its allies, and that again concerns us imho !
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070115/ap_ … n_bombings
People spend too much time asking "why didn't we stop them" and "how can we stop it happening again " instead of "why did they do it?"
I'm guessing you mean in the last 231 years, since before then we didn't exist.Firstly, remember anything that happened in Europe over 231 years ago is part of the US's heritage of genocide war and surrender.
The American record, including civil war, almost complete destruction of the local peoples, failed wars in Vietnam and Korea, failure to get involved in WW2 for the first few years, then only due to being directly attacked (even then the US may not have declared war on the Germans, it was Hitler who declared war on the US the next day). The current success of the US is due in part to their failure to commit to WW2, choosing to become rich by selling supplies to the Allies while Europe destroyed itself. The basis for the American society today is the European society of yesteryear anyway and the only reason it's the richest most powerful and most desirable society in history is simple because it's the current one. In Roman times the Roman society was the richest, most powerful and desirable in history and in a couple of hundred years the US won't be the most powerful, etc. in history because something else will be more modern and better.
If we actually look a little deeper we find that the US isn't even that desirable. There are many European societies that are rated higher than that of the US anyway.
I don't really see any point to the rest of your post besides jealously towards the US. It's not our fault Europe decided to eat itself alive twice, and while we did get rich on blood money, remember that Europe was the ones so desperately wanting bullets to kill each other with.
I see Your president more often on my TV than I see my own primeminister. In Europe we hear a lot about the US politics and see US made films on the TV. Every evening there's Friends, Michael Moore, docu on the danish troops in Irak, docu on economy (US dominated), I have US stocks I have to check on, every time a danish economist talks about the danish economy he mentions the $. I see a lot about the Irak war. I saw a docu about the election cheat in Florida. Often on the danish news there's a report from the danish journalist posing infront of the White House. I can't tell You how often I've seen the US president (Reagan, Clinton, Bush) leave the helicopter on the lawn of the White House lol. Just to give You an idea of why europeans are interested in the US.usmarine2007 wrote:
I know this is a discussion forum, but some of you get way to angry and pissed off at the US to the point where it seems you are obsessed with the USA. Maybe you put the same effort into worrying about your own country, but it sure does not show.
Our TVs full of US stuff.
The United States lost 407,300 of their service men in the second World War. America is what it is today because we are products of the immigrant spirit and the pioneer mentality. Our ancestors dared to take a chance, instead of remaining in the "old country" with it's degrading social and economic systems. Europeans demanded security no matter what the price, Americans wanted a shot at something better, and thats where the success comes from. Think twice before you try to pin our success on our involvement in WWII. Americans paid their share in full..:XDR:.PureFodder wrote:
Firstly, remember anything that happened in Europe over 231 years ago is part of the US's heritage of genocide war and surrender.Kmarion wrote:
From a post I made earlier..usmarine2007 wrote:
I see what you guys are saying. But there is a difference between discussion and obsession.Kmarion wrote:
"Europe is in the midst of an identity crisis. They have to deal with their brutal past while being insulted by Americas upstart success. The old continental powers are still far from forgiving us for supplanting them in the strategic arena. If we were as cruel as Europe was in the wake of the twentieth century wars we would be much better liked. The primary goal of Western European societies for the past half century has been to prove the US is as cruel and corrupt as they themselves have been. When your heritage is genocide, wars of aggression, or cowardly surrender the record of the United States can be hard to bear. They cannot avoid measuring themselves against us, but the disparities they discover are so great that Europe's moral delinquents cannot resist comforting themselves with the lies about our purported clumsiness, violence, and crudity without pausing to ask themselves how such a pathetic mediocrities could have built the richest, most powerful, and desirable society in history. When it comes to self examination the heartlands of Europe are simply the Mid-east lite."
The American record, including civil war, almost complete destruction of the local peoples, failed wars in Vietnam and Korea, failure to get involved in WW2 for the first few years, then only due to being directly attacked (even then the US may not have declared war on the Germans, it was Hitler who declared war on the US the next day). The current success of the US is due in part to their failure to commit to WW2, choosing to become rich by selling supplies to the Allies while Europe destroyed itself. The basis for the American society today is the European society of yesteryear anyway and the only reason it's the richest most powerful and most desirable society in history is simple because it's the current one. In Roman times the Roman society was the richest, most powerful and desirable in history and in a couple of hundred years the US won't be the most powerful, etc. in history because something else will be more modern and better.
If we actually look a little deeper we find that the US isn't even that desirable. There are many European societies that are rated higher than that of the US anyway.
Someone needs to have a proper look at their own country before declaring it to be the greatest thing ever.
I am not trying to offend any Europeans here but it hit's a nerve when someone tells me that America is successful because we did not commit soon enough to a war I lost a family member in.
I would also like to thank you PureFodder for helping to demonstrate
with your rundown of America's challenges since it's inception.The primary goal of Western European societies for the past half century has been to prove the US is as cruel and corrupt as they themselves have been.
Last edited by Kmarion (2007-01-28 05:24:38)
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lolParker wrote:
most of em, i get the feeling that they were THOSE kids in high school......you know who im talking about.
the ones who HAD to go against everything....rebel, rebel, rebel.
anything to be accepted and seem "cool".
keep going against the grain all you rebels............you really are making a difference, LOL.
yeah, pie is better than coffeeusmarine2007 wrote:
Is that a problem?TeamZephyr wrote:
In the main street of Geelong there used to be a fish'n'chip shop and a pie shop.
They've been replaced by a McDonalds and a Starbucks.
Tell that to Tim Horton addicted Canadians.Smitty5613 wrote:
yeah, pie is better than coffeeusmarine2007 wrote:
Is that a problem?TeamZephyr wrote:
In the main street of Geelong there used to be a fish'n'chip shop and a pie shop.
They've been replaced by a McDonalds and a Starbucks.