Muslims are cool so long as your not a cartoonist..
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Go read the Koran. Islam is not a peaceful religion, nor is it a tolerant one. Of course the extremists do go too far though.
Suffice to say it gets annoying to see all these I defend muslims but make countless 'look at how dumb the bible is' posts. The Koran's just as dumb. I'm sure it has nothing to do with the whole conservatives being christians thing.
Suffice to say it gets annoying to see all these I defend muslims but make countless 'look at how dumb the bible is' posts. The Koran's just as dumb. I'm sure it has nothing to do with the whole conservatives being christians thing.
To be honest, I doubt you guys have ever even talked to a Muslim let alone had one or more as a friend. You are quite simply, talking shit.
Yeah this shows how much full of hate islam is. Points 7 and 8 show how fucked up their beliefs are.Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:
Islam is not a peaceful religion, nor is it a tolerant one.
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/notislam/mi … tions.html
So Truman is a an angel because he struggled with the decision? He did it despite the moral dilemma he might have had. Is he considered a terrorist? No. Did he commit a crime against humanity? Yes.lowing wrote:
This might surprise you but the FACT of the matter is. Truman struggled with the decision and did not celebrate it when it occurred. Can't really say that about 911 can we?Vilham wrote:
I dont think you can realy compare a nuclear explosion to a bombing raid...
It wore on him and his conscience for years. The difference is this. The value of life is appreciated here, it is celebrated and cherished. He had to wiegh the worse of two evils. nukes, or invasion that would cost even more lives on both sides.
So please, stop with your bullshit immage you are trying to paint that the US goes around nuking everything it sees and loves it.
I like this one more than yours.usmarine2007 wrote:
sergeriver wrote:
You live in complete paranoia. You should listen Green Day's last album, first song. I won't say the name coz they will say I'm anti-American, lol.
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The Jews will never call for the destruction of the west .. you don't bite the hand that feed you.. Muslims are calling for the destruction of the west because the west is bombing their country. Its simple.. get out of the middle east and you won't hear any "death to america" again in the middle east.. They will probably still chant "death to israel" but who cares? lets them fight their holy war and let sit back and watch.kilgoretrout wrote:
None of the Jews were calling for the destruction of the west... I think it makes sense to be hostile to a group of people that shout "death to America" and then actually act out that sentiment by flying planes into buildings... Sure, not all Muslims feel that way, but there sure are a lot that do...
Why getting involved? Why are young christian american are dying for a stupid religious war? Cut all foreign aid to all middle eastern country including Israel. Sit back and watch the fight.
Judaism vs Islam 4th round. (or maybe 5th?)
You forget Dresden, Hiroshima or Nagasaki.. None of those cities were military targets.. America have an history of killing innoncent people for a goal.. and that goal was to hurt their enemy..lowing wrote:
THere might be a reason for killing people. THERE IS NO REASON FOR KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE. Unarmed women and children.m3thod wrote:
Of course i am suggesting there is a reason for killing people. Humans are not robots, they have rational and IRRATIONAL thoughts and process jumping around in their little defunct brains. Hence in my post I wrote "RIGHT OR WRONG" reasons. And what did you atomically do? You concluded i empathised with them.lowing wrote:
By you suggesting there is a REASON for killing unarmed innocent civilians tells me you can actually understand such behavior and thus rationalize such acts. This makes you part of the problem.
There is no rationalizing this behavior. No excuse for committing such acts. No understanding it.
If my short sightedness keeps me from not seeing and understanding and sympathizing for monsters such as these, too bad. If you actually empathize with these people, and wanna figure out how we can make life better for them so they stop killing us you are almost as crazy as they are. They are murderers and deserve nothing less than to be hunted down like dogs and put to sleep.
Now YOU believe there is no rationalizing this behavior. No excuse for committing such acts. No understanding it and i would agree with you. It's abhorrent. But I bet your million dollar ass i bet it's rationalised and understood and whole heatedly approved in the ME. Just because me and you deplore these despicable acts doesn't mean they will. Now get this, America in the ME is perceived to be the exact description to what you have posted above "They are murderers and deserve nothing less than to be hunted down like dogs and put to sleep". You Lowing share the very same madness as the people you despise, both of you are unable to see beyond the premise that 'they' are murderers who kill innocent people.
Face it you're a white raghead.
If it is reationalized in the ME then have just found the thing that seporated them from us. They are animals.
Nice try, the coalition is not there killing innocent people on purpose, the coalition is there to rebuild Iraq after a tyrant ruler has been taken out. The terrorists are the ones doing all the killing of innocent people, destroying everything good that is trying to be built there. If they wanted us out, why not help build the schools, build the communication, the hospitals, the infrastructure of society so we can leave sooner? Because peace is the last thing that they want in the ME.
You mess with the arabs, you mess with their land, you mess with their fucked up religion, expect them to reply.. and if you attack IRAN.. expect them to reply. Thats just how it works.
You act like you never did anything wrong.. wake up you are the bad guys
um why didnt you chose a military target then? Or maybe just drop the bomb in a deserted area .. to show them how powerful it was.. im pretty sure that they would have surrender. But no.. you add to chose two cities with NO military target.. just a bunch of civilian. Good joblowing wrote:
This might surprise you but the FACT of the matter is. Truman struggled with the decision and did not celebrate it when it occurred. Can't really say that about 911 can we?Vilham wrote:
I dont think you can realy compare a nuclear explosion to a bombing raid...
It wore on him and his conscience for years. The difference is this. The value of life is appreciated here, it is celebrated and cherished. He had to wiegh the worse of two evils. nukes, or invasion that would cost even more lives on both sides.
So please, stop with your bullshit immage you are trying to paint that the US goes around nuking everything it sees and loves it.
Hitler had a reason for killing Jews. He rationalized that.THere might be a reason for killing people. THERE IS NO REASON FOR KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE. Unarmed women and children.
If it is reationalized in the ME then have just found the thing that seporated them from us. They are animals.
Nice try, the coalition is not there killing innocent people on purpose, the coalition is there to rebuild Iraq after a tyrant ruler has been taken out. The terrorists are the ones doing all the killing of innocent people, destroying everything good that is trying to be built there. If they wanted us out, why not help build the schools, build the communication, the hospitals, the infrastructure of society so we can leave sooner? Because peace is the last thing that they want in the ME.
It doesn't make it any less wrong. He is merely pointing out that these are not random acts without purpose (quite to the contrary, they are well planned and have a specific goal), which means they are rational acts but they are NOT good ones.
And I think they want peace - after everyone bows down to their screwed ideology.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
Im sorry, but if you had to point the finger at someone to blame, it has to Islam. All religions have disagreements with each other, but Islam is the only that really justifies blowing themselves up. When I look out my window, I don't see any "Death to Islam" signs. Honestly, if someone started screaming "DEATH TO KEVIN" to me because I don't support their messed up ways, I'd go invade their ass.
"you know life is what we make it, and a chance is like a picture, it'd be nice if you just take it"
Ever been to Cronulla? Came pretty close there.d4rkst4r wrote:
Im sorry, but if you had to point the finger at someone to blame, it has to Islam. All religions have disagreements with each other, but Islam is the only that really justifies blowing themselves up. When I look out my window, I don't see any "Death to Islam" signs. Honestly, if someone started screaming "DEATH TO KEVIN" to me because I don't support their messed up ways, I'd go invade their ass.
Anyway, everyone seems to have forgotten Indonesia. They've dealt with the terrorist problem pretty well (apart from Bashir) IMO
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
You forget we did not start the fight. You also seem to forget those actions were taken to save lives and END...let me say that again... END the war, not prolong it.[UTQ]_Ausch88 wrote:
Hiroshima or Nagasaki.. None of those cities were military targets.
And then why didn't we just send a them a photo of the bomb?[UTQ]_Ausch88 wrote:
um why didnt you chose a military target then? Or maybe just drop the bomb in a deserted area .. to show them how powerful it was.. im pretty sure that they would have surrender. But no.. you add to chose two cities with NO military target.. just a bunch of civilian. Good job
Wikipedia article on the bomings wrote:
At the time of its bombing, Hiroshima was a city of considerable industrial and military significance. Even some military camps were located nearby, such as the headquarters of the Fifth Division and Field Marshal Shunroku Hata's 2nd General Army Headquarters, which commanded the defense of all of southern Japan. Hiroshima was a minor supply and logistics base for the Japanese military. The city was a communications center, a storage point, and an assembly area for troops. It was one of several Japanese cities left deliberately untouched by American bombing, allowing an ideal environment to measure the damage caused by the atomic bomb. Another account stresses that after General Spaatz reported that Hiroshima was the only targeted city without prisoner of war (POW) camps, Washington decided to assign it highest priority.
The city of Nagasaki had been one of the largest sea ports in southern Japan and was of great wartime importance because of its wide-ranging industrial activity, including the production of ordnance, ships, military equipment, and other war materials.
Back to the subject videos like this might contribute to an Islamaphobia in the states.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AiYIhdZ … mp;search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AiYIhdZ … mp;search=
well if that wasn't propaganda i don't know what isjonnykill wrote:
Back to the subject videos like this might contribute to an Islamaphobia in the states.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AiYIhdZ … mp;search=
Let's say ALL videos from BOTH sides is propaganda. Then it's just a matter of who does a better job at it. This video IS propaganda. Both sides have comitted atrocities but after watching dozens of films like this one I cannot rule out the fact that there are too many places that teach their children this crap. It's as if they give them no choice in life.
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This is from the same article in Wikipedia:DesertFox423 wrote:
And then why didn't we just send a them a photo of the bomb?[UTQ]_Ausch88 wrote:
um why didnt you chose a military target then? Or maybe just drop the bomb in a deserted area .. to show them how powerful it was.. im pretty sure that they would have surrender. But no.. you add to chose two cities with NO military target.. just a bunch of civilian. Good jobWikipedia article on the bomings wrote:
At the time of its bombing, Hiroshima was a city of considerable industrial and military significance. Even some military camps were located nearby, such as the headquarters of the Fifth Division and Field Marshal Shunroku Hata's 2nd General Army Headquarters, which commanded the defense of all of southern Japan. Hiroshima was a minor supply and logistics base for the Japanese military. The city was a communications center, a storage point, and an assembly area for troops. It was one of several Japanese cities left deliberately untouched by American bombing, allowing an ideal environment to measure the damage caused by the atomic bomb. Another account stresses that after General Spaatz reported that Hiroshima was the only targeted city without prisoner of war (POW) camps, Washington decided to assign it highest priority.
The city of Nagasaki had been one of the largest sea ports in southern Japan and was of great wartime importance because of its wide-ranging industrial activity, including the production of ordnance, ships, military equipment, and other war materials.
Wikipedia article on the bomings wrote:
A number of notable individuals and organizations have criticized the bombings, many of them characterizing them as war crimes or crime against humanity. Two early critics of the bombings were Albert Einstein and Leo Szilard, who had together spurred the first bomb research in 1939 with a jointly written letter to President Roosevelt. Szilard, who had gone on to play a major role in the Manhattan Project, argued:
"Let me say only this much to the moral issue involved: Suppose Germany had developed two bombs before we had any bombs. And suppose Germany had dropped one bomb, say, on Rochester and the other on Buffalo, and then having run out of bombs she would have lost the war. Can anyone doubt that we would then have defined the dropping of atomic bombs on cities as a war crime, and that we would have sentenced the Germans who were guilty of this crime to death at Nuremberg and hanged them?."
I never had a parrot as a pet either, but I am pretty sure they shit all the time and make an awful racket.Vilham wrote:
To be honest, I doubt you guys have ever even talked to a Muslim let alone had one or more as a friend. You are quite simply, talking shit.
Why don't you re-read my post, acknowledge the differences then respond. I never called Truman an angelsergeriver wrote:
So Truman is a an angel because he struggled with the decision? He did it despite the moral dilemma he might have had. Is he considered a terrorist? No. Did he commit a crime against humanity? Yes.lowing wrote:
This might surprise you but the FACT of the matter is. Truman struggled with the decision and did not celebrate it when it occurred. Can't really say that about 911 can we?Vilham wrote:
I dont think you can realy compare a nuclear explosion to a bombing raid...
It wore on him and his conscience for years. The difference is this. The value of life is appreciated here, it is celebrated and cherished. He had to wiegh the worse of two evils. nukes, or invasion that would cost even more lives on both sides.
So please, stop with your bullshit immage you are trying to paint that the US goes around nuking everything it sees and loves it.I like this one more than yours.usmarine2007 wrote:
sergeriver wrote:
You live in complete paranoia. You should listen Green Day's last album, first song. I won't say the name coz they will say I'm anti-American, lol.
Never said the US is innocent in history. The US and Japan was at war,a war Japan started, there was a choice to be made, invasion or bomb. The US chose the lesser of two evils. period. The US also gave Japan several oportunities to surrender, warning them of the potential desaster that would befall them if they didn't. Japan knew the US had the bomb. The US even warned Japan of the damn thing.[UTQ]_Ausch88 wrote:
You forget Dresden, Hiroshima or Nagasaki.. None of those cities were military targets.. America have an history of killing innoncent people for a goal.. and that goal was to hurt their enemy..lowing wrote:
THere might be a reason for killing people. THERE IS NO REASON FOR KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE. Unarmed women and children.m3thod wrote:
Of course i am suggesting there is a reason for killing people. Humans are not robots, they have rational and IRRATIONAL thoughts and process jumping around in their little defunct brains. Hence in my post I wrote "RIGHT OR WRONG" reasons. And what did you atomically do? You concluded i empathised with them.
Now YOU believe there is no rationalizing this behavior. No excuse for committing such acts. No understanding it and i would agree with you. It's abhorrent. But I bet your million dollar ass i bet it's rationalised and understood and whole heatedly approved in the ME. Just because me and you deplore these despicable acts doesn't mean they will. Now get this, America in the ME is perceived to be the exact description to what you have posted above "They are murderers and deserve nothing less than to be hunted down like dogs and put to sleep". You Lowing share the very same madness as the people you despise, both of you are unable to see beyond the premise that 'they' are murderers who kill innocent people.
Face it you're a white raghead.
If it is reationalized in the ME then have just found the thing that seporated them from us. They are animals.
Nice try, the coalition is not there killing innocent people on purpose, the coalition is there to rebuild Iraq after a tyrant ruler has been taken out. The terrorists are the ones doing all the killing of innocent people, destroying everything good that is trying to be built there. If they wanted us out, why not help build the schools, build the communication, the hospitals, the infrastructure of society so we can leave sooner? Because peace is the last thing that they want in the ME.
You mess with the arabs, you mess with their land, you mess with their fucked up religion, expect them to reply.. and if you attack IRAN.. expect them to reply. Thats just how it works.
You act like you never did anything wrong.. wake up you are the bad guys
Ever hear of the Bikini Islands pal??[UTQ]_Ausch88 wrote:
um why didnt you chose a military target then? Or maybe just drop the bomb in a deserted area .. to show them how powerful it was.. im pretty sure that they would have surrender. But no.. you add to chose two cities with NO military target.. just a bunch of civilian. Good joblowing wrote:
This might surprise you but the FACT of the matter is. Truman struggled with the decision and did not celebrate it when it occurred. Can't really say that about 911 can we?Vilham wrote:
I dont think you can realy compare a nuclear explosion to a bombing raid...
It wore on him and his conscience for years. The difference is this. The value of life is appreciated here, it is celebrated and cherished. He had to wiegh the worse of two evils. nukes, or invasion that would cost even more lives on both sides.
So please, stop with your bullshit immage you are trying to paint that the US goes around nuking everything it sees and loves it.
History does not condemn bombing Japan as a terrorist attack. It is some bullshit you need to say to try and gain leverage in your anti-American rhetoric. It isn't working
Not true. The Japanese had surrendered before the bomb was dropped.lowing wrote:
Never said the US is innocent in history. The US and Japan was at war,a war Japan started, there was a choice to be made, invasion or bomb. The US chose the lesser of two evils. period. The US also gave Japan several oportunities to surrender, warning them of the potential desaster that would befall them if they didn't. Japan knew the US had the bomb. The US even warned Japan of the damn thing.
Dropping the bombs was done to send a message to the Russians. Quite a clear, "Don't fuck with us" message.
History? maybe your side of history.. the one you learn in your american school, reading your american book.lowing wrote:
Ever hear of the Bikini Islands pal??[UTQ]_Ausch88 wrote:
um why didnt you chose a military target then? Or maybe just drop the bomb in a deserted area .. to show them how powerful it was.. im pretty sure that they would have surrender. But no.. you add to chose two cities with NO military target.. just a bunch of civilian. Good joblowing wrote:
This might surprise you but the FACT of the matter is. Truman struggled with the decision and did not celebrate it when it occurred. Can't really say that about 911 can we?
It wore on him and his conscience for years. The difference is this. The value of life is appreciated here, it is celebrated and cherished. He had to wiegh the worse of two evils. nukes, or invasion that would cost even more lives on both sides.
So please, stop with your bullshit immage you are trying to paint that the US goes around nuking everything it sees and loves it.
History does not condemn bombing Japan as a terrorist attack. It is some bullshit you need to say to try and gain leverage in your anti-American rhetoric. It isn't working
Go learn history on the japanese point of view, i know they are ashamed of their imperialistic past but im pretty sure that no one over there think that those two peaceful cities full of civilian and lacking military targets deserved to be totally destroyed.
edit: and btw, im not anti-american.. im anti-warmonger i love Jane Fonda.. sexy jane
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You sure about that? I believe that the offensive in Manuchuria was still going on at the time...until the Russians crushed it. In fact some Japanese historians say it was Russia's crushing of the Japanese forces caused the end of the war...not the bombs.Bertster7 wrote:
Not true. The Japanese had surrendered before the bomb was dropped.lowing wrote:
Never said the US is innocent in history. The US and Japan was at war,a war Japan started, there was a choice to be made, invasion or bomb. The US chose the lesser of two evils. period. The US also gave Japan several oportunities to surrender, warning them of the potential desaster that would befall them if they didn't. Japan knew the US had the bomb. The US even warned Japan of the damn thing.
Dropping the bombs was done to send a message to the Russians. Quite a clear, "Don't fuck with us" message.
Pretty sure. The Japanese offered to surrender several times. I've never seen the terms offered by the Japanese, but I have heard they were virtually unconditional, I think there was something in there about the Emperor.Pug wrote:
You sure about that? I believe that the offensive in Manuchuria was still going on at the time...until the Russians crushed it. In fact some Japanese historians say it was Russia's crushing of the Japanese forces caused the end of the war...not the bombs.Bertster7 wrote:
Not true. The Japanese had surrendered before the bomb was dropped.lowing wrote:
Never said the US is innocent in history. The US and Japan was at war,a war Japan started, there was a choice to be made, invasion or bomb. The US chose the lesser of two evils. period. The US also gave Japan several oportunities to surrender, warning them of the potential desaster that would befall them if they didn't. Japan knew the US had the bomb. The US even warned Japan of the damn thing.
Dropping the bombs was done to send a message to the Russians. Quite a clear, "Don't fuck with us" message.
The US refused to accept anything but unconditional surrender, which given the Japanese war ethic is something they could never realistically accept.