Everyday we read about the problems in the Middle East, the fight between Israel and Arab Nations, the massive immigration from Muslim countries to Europe, etc. And the generalized feeling in the West towards Islam is that it's a Religion of terrorism, and that we should fear all the Muslims. At least a lot of people think this way, and this general feeling about the Muslim community draws a parallel to the anti-Semitism that was prevelant in the Nazi Germany upto the Holocaust. Are Muslims becoming the new Jews? Is this kind of stereotype, particularly vilification in the media, making Muslims the new scapegoats? What do you think?
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Islamophobia: The New Anti-Semitism?
| Yes | 53% | 53% - 67 | ||||
| No | 46% | 46% - 59 | ||||
| Total: 126 | ||||||
Maybe when we see some Jews start flying planes into buildings and some Muslims start getting bussed off to "Camps".
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You just are generalizing and stereotyping, not all the Muslims do that. You call terrorist a whole community for the crimes of a few. Thank you for saying I'm right. Besides, read about the Zionist terrorism.Kmarion wrote:
Maybe when Jews start flying planes into buildings and Muslims start getting bussed off to "Camps".
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It's just not the same at all. I'm not saying all Muslims are terrorist. But the reason for discontent amongst Muslims comes from those within Islam itself. They have done specific acts to generate the feelings some have towards themselves. It may be true that some outside of Islam are taking advantage of this for their own benefit but Jews were not attacking Nazi's.sergeriver wrote:
You just are generalizing and stereotyping, not all thew Muslims do that. You call terrorist a whole community for the crimes of a few. Thank you for saying I'm right.Kmarion wrote:
Maybe when Jews start flying planes into buildings and Muslims start getting bussed off to "Camps".
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It certainly bears many of the hallmarks of the rise of anti-semitism in 1930s Germany. Generalisations and demonisation of a distinct cultural group being propagated by mass media. It's quite scary really. The average human is not very discerning and when they are constinuously subliminally made to associate muslims, people who wear headgear (which unfortunately includes Sikhs), people who sport beards or simply people who look middle eastern or mediterranean with acts of terrorism the result will not be good. Many of the viewpoints expressed on this forum here show the effects of the media blitz already. There may not be an Auschwitz Mark II but persecution of some harsh description will become the order of the day.
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Camps like Gito?Kmarion wrote:
Maybe when Jews start flying planes into buildings and Muslims start getting bussed off to "Camps".
Funny.. you really think its the same? I doubt the red cross ever visited Auschwitz.JahManRed wrote:
Camps like Gito?Kmarion wrote:
Maybe when Jews start flying planes into buildings and Muslims start getting bussed off to "Camps".
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I think you'll find that the Red Cross were allowed restricted access and had to wait a looong time before gaining access to inmates. And also - their reports have not exactly been glowing.Kmarion wrote:
Funny.. you really think its the same? I doubt the red cross ever visited Auschwitz.JahManRed wrote:
Camps like Gito?Kmarion wrote:
Maybe when Jews start flying planes into buildings and Muslims start getting bussed off to "Camps".
No comparison with Gitmo and the death camps of Nazi Germany Cam, you and I both know this.CameronPoe wrote:
I think you'll find that the Red Cross were allowed restricted access and had to wait a looong time before gaining access to inmates. And also - their reports have not exactly been glowing.Kmarion wrote:
Funny.. you really think its the same? I doubt the red cross ever visited Auschwitz.JahManRed wrote:
Camps like Gito?
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No, Auschwitz was worse than Gitmo. But the point here is the media is making look bad all the Muslims for the acts of a few. And remember all the terrorism acts commited by Zionist during 20th century. Not to mention the crimes against humanity commited by Israel istself against Palestinians and Lebaneses.Kmarion wrote:
No comparison with Gitmo and the death camps of Nazi Germany Cam, you and I both know this.CameronPoe wrote:
I think you'll find that the Red Cross were allowed restricted access and had to wait a looong time before gaining access to inmates. And also - their reports have not exactly been glowing.Kmarion wrote:
Funny.. you really think its the same? I doubt the red cross ever visited Auschwitz.
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I can tell you watching and reading international news it appears there is more hate crimes committed against Jews compared to any other group. I can also tell you it's a fact here in the US. I understand what you are saying and if people do not take steps to keep their paranoia in check it could spiral into something disastrous, but it is no where near what the Jews saw mid century.sergeriver wrote:
No, Auschwitz was worse than Gitmo. But the point here is the media is making look bad all the Muslims for the acts of a few. And remember all the terrorism acts committed by Zionist during 20th century. Not to mention the crimes against humanity committed by Israel itself against Palestinians and Lebaneses.Kmarion wrote:
No comparison with Gitmo and the death camps of Nazi Germany Cam, you and I both know this.CameronPoe wrote:
I think you'll find that the Red Cross were allowed restricted access and had to wait a looong time before gaining access to inmates. And also - their reports have not exactly been glowing.
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My grandfather came to Argentina because of the Holocaust, he was Jew of course. My wife grandfather came for the same reasons. I'm familiarized with the Jewish struggle during the WWII. But you can't deny something at least similar is happening with Muslims. I'm not saying they will be sent to camps, but the Western countries see all the Muslim community with fear and a sort of racist feeling is growing among these countries.Kmarion wrote:
I can tell you watching and reading international news it appears there is more hate crimes committed against Jews compared to any other group. I can also tell you it's a fact here in the US. I understand what you are saying and if people do not take steps to keep their paranoia in check it could spiral into something disastrous, but it is no where near what the Jews saw mid century.sergeriver wrote:
No, Auschwitz was worse than Gitmo. But the point here is the media is making look bad all the Muslims for the acts of a few. And remember all the terrorism acts committed by Zionist during 20th century. Not to mention the crimes against humanity committed by Israel itself against Palestinians and Lebaneses.Kmarion wrote:
No comparison with Gitmo and the death camps of Nazi Germany Cam, you and I both know this.
No I do not deny the existence of Islamophobia. I am just trying to say it is not the same. If you would have titled the thread "Is Islamophobia existent" I would have said yes. You decided to compare it to mass genocide. If any degradation of opinion towards any particular group is not kept in check who knows where the road may lead.sergeriver wrote:
My grandfather came to Argentina because of the Holocaust, he was Jew of course. My wife grandfather came for the same reasons. I'm familiarized with the Jewish struggle during the WWII. But you can't deny something at least similar is happening with Muslims. I'm not saying they will be sent to camps, but the Western countries see all the Muslim community with fear and a sort of racist feeling is growing among these countries.Kmarion wrote:
I can tell you watching and reading international news it appears there is more hate crimes committed against Jews compared to any other group. I can also tell you it's a fact here in the US. I understand what you are saying and if people do not take steps to keep their paranoia in check it could spiral into something disastrous, but it is no where near what the Jews saw mid century.sergeriver wrote:
No, Auschwitz was worse than Gitmo. But the point here is the media is making look bad all the Muslims for the acts of a few. And remember all the terrorism acts committed by Zionist during 20th century. Not to mention the crimes against humanity committed by Israel itself against Palestinians and Lebaneses.
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The title doesn't say Islam: A new Genocide, I'm saying Islamophobia is the new anti-Semitism.Kmarion wrote:
No I do not deny the existence of Islamophobia. I am just trying to say it is not the same. If you would have titled the thread "Is Islamophobia existent" I would have said yes. You decided to compare it to mass genocide. If any degradation of opinion towards any particular group is not kept in check who knows where the road may lead.sergeriver wrote:
My grandfather came to Argentina because of the Holocaust, he was Jew of course. My wife grandfather came for the same reasons. I'm familiarized with the Jewish struggle during the WWII. But you can't deny something at least similar is happening with Muslims. I'm not saying they will be sent to camps, but the Western countries see all the Muslim community with fear and a sort of racist feeling is growing among these countries.Kmarion wrote:
I can tell you watching and reading international news it appears there is more hate crimes committed against Jews compared to any other group. I can also tell you it's a fact here in the US. I understand what you are saying and if people do not take steps to keep their paranoia in check it could spiral into something disastrous, but it is no where near what the Jews saw mid century.
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Not all westerners think islam is a terrorist organization. Doesn't that mean you're generalizing as well?? Now we've all pretty much agreed on these forums that most ppl in the world dislike America, so allow me to suggest a new thread: Americaphobia (or whatever you call that): The new anti semitism?sergeriver wrote:
You just are generalizing and stereotyping, not all the Muslims do that. You call terrorist a whole community for the crimes of a few. Thank you for saying I'm right. Besides, read about the Zionist terrorism.Kmarion wrote:
Maybe when Jews start flying planes into buildings and Muslims start getting bussed off to "Camps".
No but the level of Antisemitism was so high it led to Genocide. We are comparing the degrees of each right?
I was using extremes to illustrate a point. I would hope to think anyone who is familiar with my opinions knows that I was not being literal.sergeriver wrote:
You just are generalizing and stereotyping, not all the Muslims do that. You call terrorist a whole community for the crimes of a few. Thank you for saying I'm right. Besides, read about the Zionist terrorism.Kmarion wrote:
Maybe when Jews start flying planes into buildings and Muslims start getting bussed off to "Camps".
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I never said all westerners. But the media has created this feeling about Muslims, and that is a fact. Let me say I'm not Muslim, so I'm not defending my people or else. I just think generalizing and stereotyping is wrong. I don't think most people in the world dislike America, au contraire. But you can say most people in the World dislike Bush. So, your comparison fails. The racism against Muslims is real and denying it is not the solution to this problem.iamangry wrote:
Not all westerners think islam is a terrorist organization. Doesn't that mean you're generalizing as well?? Now we've all pretty much agreed on these forums that most ppl in the world dislike America, so allow me to suggest a new thread: Americaphobia (or whatever you call that): The new anti semitism?sergeriver wrote:
You just are generalizing and stereotyping, not all the Muslims do that. You call terrorist a whole community for the crimes of a few. Thank you for saying I'm right. Besides, read about the Zionist terrorism.Kmarion wrote:
Maybe when Jews start flying planes into buildings and Muslims start getting bussed off to "Camps".
Of course I know how you think, and saying you were generalizing was a bit extreme. My apologies.Kmarion wrote:
No but the level of Antisemitism was so high it led to Genocide. We are comparing the degrees of each right?I was using extremes to illustrate a point. I would hope to think anyone who is familiar with my opinions knows that I was not being literal.sergeriver wrote:
You just are generalizing and stereotyping, not all the Muslims do that. You call terrorist a whole community for the crimes of a few. Thank you for saying I'm right. Besides, read about the Zionist terrorism.Kmarion wrote:
Maybe when Jews start flying planes into buildings and Muslims start getting bussed off to "Camps".
Agreed, no worries .sergeriver wrote:
Of course I know how you think, and saying you were generalizing was a bit extreme. My apologies.Kmarion wrote:
No but the level of Antisemitism was so high it led to Genocide. We are comparing the degrees of each right?I was using extremes to illustrate a point. I would hope to think anyone who is familiar with my opinions knows that I was not being literal.sergeriver wrote:
You just are generalizing and stereotyping, not all the Muslims do that. You call terrorist a whole community for the crimes of a few. Thank you for saying I'm right. Besides, read about the Zionist terrorism.
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I reckon it's headed that direction. There's less secrecy and more outrage about racial/religious discrimination these days so I can't see it ever getting as bad as anti-Semitism in Nazi Germany. But the comparison does seem valid.sergeriver wrote:
Everyday we read about the problems in the Middle East, the fight between Israel and Arab Nations, the massive immigration from Muslim countries to Europe, etc. And the generalized feeling in the West towards Islam is that it's a Religion of terrorism, and that we should fear all the Muslims. At least a lot of people think this way, and this general feeling about the Muslim community draws a parallel to the anti-Semitism that was prevelant in the Nazi Germany upto the Holocaust. Are Muslims becoming the new Jews? Is this kind of stereotype, particularly vilification in the media, making Muslims the new scapegoats? What do you think?
Not all Muslims are terrorists.
But Im sad to say that most terrorists are Muslim.
But Im sad to say that most terrorists are Muslim.
No. A semite pretty much means anyone from the ME.
So it's just more of the same?cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:
No. A semite pretty much means anyone from the ME.
Pretty much.Bertster7 wrote:
So it's just more of the same?cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:
No. A semite pretty much means anyone from the ME.
Does anyone believe Antisemitism is on the rise? ...hmm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/5319716.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3595958.stm
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/16012007/325/a … rabbi.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4807786.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3825999.stm
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= … oObWoYQ0Bc
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4573052.stm
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/hc2005/victims.htm
Religious Bias
Of the 1,405 victims of an anti-religion hate crime:
* 69.5 percent were victims of an anti-Jewish bias.
* 10.7 percent were victims of an anti-Islamic bias.
* 7.5 percent were victims of a bias against other unspecified religions (anti-other religion).
* 4.3 percent were victims of an anti-Catholic bias.
* 4.1 percent were victims of an anti-Protestant bias.
* 3.3 percent were victims of a bias against groups of individuals of varying religions (anti-multiple religions, group).
* 0.4 percent were victims of an anti-Atheist/Agnostic bias.
(Based on Table 1.)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/5319716.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3595958.stm
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/16012007/325/a … rabbi.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4807786.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3825999.stm
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= … oObWoYQ0Bc
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4573052.stm
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/hc2005/victims.htm
Religious Bias
Of the 1,405 victims of an anti-religion hate crime:
* 69.5 percent were victims of an anti-Jewish bias.
* 10.7 percent were victims of an anti-Islamic bias.
* 7.5 percent were victims of a bias against other unspecified religions (anti-other religion).
* 4.3 percent were victims of an anti-Catholic bias.
* 4.1 percent were victims of an anti-Protestant bias.
* 3.3 percent were victims of a bias against groups of individuals of varying religions (anti-multiple religions, group).
* 0.4 percent were victims of an anti-Atheist/Agnostic bias.
(Based on Table 1.)
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