BVC
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+325|7121
An interesting weapon indeed, what do you all think?  Future scope for improvements?  Ethical issues?  Possible side-effects?

If miniturisation is possible, I can see it being useful both as a handheld device and as part of building security systems.
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http://www.stuff.co.nz/3939990a12.html
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US eyes heat-beaming weapon by 2010
Reuters | Thursday, 25 January 2007

SET PHASERS TO STUN: The US Defense Department has unveiled what it describes as a revolutionary heat-beaming weapon that could be used to repel foes in conflict zones like Iraq and Afghanistan as early as 2010.

MOODY AIR FORCE BASE: The US Defence Department today unveiled what it called a revolutionary heat-beaming weapon that could be used to control mobs or repel foes in conflicts like Iraq and Afghanistan.

The so-called Active Denial System causes an intense burning sensation causing people to run for cover, but no lasting harm, officials said.

"This is a breakthrough technology that's going to give our forces a capability they don't now have," Theodore Barna, an assistant deputy undersecretary of Defence for advanced systems and concepts, told Reuters. "We expect the services to add it to their tool kit. And that could happen as early as 2010."

The weapon, mounted on a Humvee, uses a large rectangular dish antenna to direct an invisible beam toward a target. It includes a high-voltage power unit and beam-generating equipment and is effective at more than 500 meters.

Existing counter-personnel systems designed not to kill – including bean bag munitions and rubber bullets – work at little more than "rock-throwing distances," said Marine Col. Kirk Hymes, director of the Pentagon's Joint Non-Lethal Weapons Directorate.

In increasingly complex military operations, the technology provided a much-needed alternative to just going from "shouting to shooting," said Hymes, who is responsible for the weapon's five-year, $60 ($NZ87.34) million advanced development.

Variations of the system could help in peacetime and wartime missions, including crowd control and mob dispersal, checkpoint security and port protection, officials said. It could also help in conflicts like Iraq and Afghanistan.

Raytheon Co., which has worked to develop the technology, has built a prototype called Silent Guardian, that it hopes to sell in the United States and abroad in what could become a multibillion market.

The weapon was shown off publicly for the first time at Moody Air Force Base in Georgia, where it has been undergoing operational tests by the 820th Security Forces Group, which protects Air Force assets.

The directorate invited reporters to be zapped as part of what its spokeswoman, Marine Maj. Sarah Fullwood, called an effort to "demystify" the technology at issue.

At a distance of several football fields, the sensation from the exposure was like a blast from a very hot oven, too painful to bear without scrambling for cover.

The burning sensation is achieved by high-power energy waves that heat the skin. The pain ended as soon as the target jumped from the line of fire.

Documents given out during the demonstration said more than 10,000 people had been exposed to the weapon since testing began more than 12 years ago. They said there had been no injuries requiring medical attention during the five-year advanced development programme.
Johnathan.Heart
Go Heart or go home!
+4|7053|Muenster.Germany
Can you heat 300 steaks in 5 minutes with it ? Please understand my question my buisness is cooking 200-400 people a day so i look for a new kitchen equipment.Ok mounted on a humvee that i can use private. Why not.     
I can live with the parking place problem that comes along with it. 

Last edited by Johnathan.Heart (2007-01-24 14:19:43)

smtt686
this is the best we can do?
+95|7057|USA

Johnathan.Heart wrote:

Can you heat 300 steaks in 5 minutes with it ? Please understand my question my buisness is cooking 200-400 people a day so i look for a new kitchen equipment.Ok mounted on a humvee that i can use private. Why not.     
I can live with the parking place problem that comes along with it. 
I cant imagine microwaved steaks tasting very well.
Havok
Nymphomaniac Treatment Specialist
+302|7101|Florida, United States

Well, the idea sounds futuristic and cool, but what about negative side affects.  What if you fall victim to a shot of heat say, in the eyes.  Would you go blind?  If so, its practically lethal because of infection.  I think some rigorous testing should be done before this is used extensively on the field.
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6871|The Land of Scott Walker
Me, neither.  I'd miss that flame broiled taste.  Mmmm.  Now I'm hungry.

" . . . intense burning sensation causing people to run for cover, but no lasting harm"

Sounds like hemorrhoids.

Last edited by Stingray24 (2007-01-24 14:26:00)

-Gunsmoke-
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+165|7061|South Jersey

Pubic wrote:

It could also help in conflicts like Iraq and Afghanistan.
Hopefully US troops will be out of Iraq and Afghanistan by 2010, but it looks like a cool "future" weapon.  Downside in my opinion is that it's freaking huge.  Big target to shoot at, would it easily be disabled?
Johnathan.Heart
Go Heart or go home!
+4|7053|Muenster.Germany
Put some butter on it i think that should work.Respectly we have microwaves with a grill.   
Otherwise can it dry 50 kg tomatoes in an hour?
UON
Junglist Massive
+223|7079
So when someone falls in the stampede of peaceful anti-war protesters trying to escape the police and can't get out of the beam they will essentially experience the same thing as the medieval burning-at-the-stake victims...

And they also made all the test victims remove metal objects and glasses ( http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns? … 725095.600 ) which is hardly realistic... who's to say it would cause no lasting damage to someone with a metal plate in their head...

They should say it like it is: A new weapon with just as much potential to cause lasting damage as any other, and able to allow a police state to control a larger, more discontent population with less officers at longer ranges.

Last edited by UON (2007-01-24 16:20:12)

wah1188
You orrible caaaaaaan't
+321|6886|UK
Yeah fucking av it you student protesters.
jonsimon
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+224|6921
So, how does it work? I know it says "a beam of energy" but what kind of energy are we talking here? If its radiation I wouldn't trust the pentagon in a million years when they say it has no lasting effects. They said the same thing about the A-bomb, depleted uranium, and the debris at 9/11.
Big McLargehuge
Another Saturday night and I ain't got nobody
+259|7029|Philadelphia, PA

jonsimon wrote:

So, how does it work? I know it says "a beam of energy" but what kind of energy are we talking here? If its radiation I wouldn't trust the pentagon in a million years when they say it has no lasting effects. They said the same thing about the A-bomb, depleted uranium, and the debris at 9/11.
The ADS works by directing electromagnetic radiation at a frequency of 95 GHz[3] toward the subjects. The waves excite (see Excited state) water molecules in the epidermis (skin) to around 55 C (130 degrees Fahrenheit), causing an intensely painful burning sensation. While not actually burning the skin, the burning sensation is similar to that of light bulb being pressed against the skin.[3] The focused beam can be directed at targets at a range of approximately one kilometer.

A higher radio frequency is chosen because, as a property of electromagnetic waves (known as "skin depth"), they are unable to penetrate the body as deeply as lower frequency waves, thereby affecting external organs only, such as skin. The United States military states the effect "penetrates the skin to a depth of less than 1/64 of an inch."[1] A spokesman for the Air Force Research Laboratory described his experience as a test subject for the system: "For the first millisecond, it just felt like the skin was warming up. Then it got warmer and warmer and you felt like it was on fire.... As soon as you're away from that beam your skin returns to normal and there is no pain."

The ADS is currently only a vehicle mounted weapon, however, U.S. Marines and police are both working on portable versions.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_Denial_System
.:XDR:.PureFodder
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+105|7255

Big McLargehuge wrote:

jonsimon wrote:

So, how does it work? I know it says "a beam of energy" but what kind of energy are we talking here? If its radiation I wouldn't trust the pentagon in a million years when they say it has no lasting effects. They said the same thing about the A-bomb, depleted uranium, and the debris at 9/11.
The ADS works by directing electromagnetic radiation at a frequency of 95 GHz[3] toward the subjects. The waves excite (see Excited state) water molecules in the epidermis (skin) to around 55 C (130 degrees Fahrenheit), causing an intensely painful burning sensation. While not actually burning the skin, the burning sensation is similar to that of light bulb being pressed against the skin.[3] The focused beam can be directed at targets at a range of approximately one kilometer.

A higher radio frequency is chosen because, as a property of electromagnetic waves (known as "skin depth"), they are unable to penetrate the body as deeply as lower frequency waves, thereby affecting external organs only, such as skin. The United States military states the effect "penetrates the skin to a depth of less than 1/64 of an inch."[1] A spokesman for the Air Force Research Laboratory described his experience as a test subject for the system: "For the first millisecond, it just felt like the skin was warming up. Then it got warmer and warmer and you felt like it was on fire.... As soon as you're away from that beam your skin returns to normal and there is no pain."

The ADS is currently only a vehicle mounted weapon, however, U.S. Marines and police are both working on portable versions.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_Denial_System
So the US have developed a system that doesn't work in rain or fog.

I guess Britain's safe from it then.

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