dubbs
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UGADawgs wrote:

dubbs wrote:

Reciprocity wrote:

we shouldn't have to ban things.  common sense should dictate that any use of the Confederate flag is offensive and insulting and displays nothing more than ignorance and bigotry.
So it shows that you truely do not know anything that happened during the Civil War.  First the war was not about slavery.  It was about state rights.  Second, the war only had anything to do with slavery near the end, this was to get support for the war.

Now with that said, what if that person is honoring the people who died to defend that flag?  Does that mean that we should not respect anyone at all?  What do you do at Civil War reenactments?  Do the "Southerns" just go out without a flag?  Or should they just carry a white one?  What do we do with states that have the Confederate flag in them, like Mississippi?  Should they have to change their flag? 

Even though it is a part of US history that we all wish we could forget, we have to live with it.  By showing the flag we remind people of the mistakes that we had in the past, and hopefully we remember them, and not repeat them in the future.
What were the states wanting the rights for? You're correct in that the actual fighting started because Lincoln and the South disputed over whether a state could secede, but most of the causes leading up to the war were associated with slavery. The South felt that slavery was threatened because Lincoln's election ended the South's political power. It didn't help that he wanted to curtail the expansion of slavery, and most Southerners felt that eventually the Republicans would attack slavery directly. You're correct that we bombed Ft. Sumter because we thought we had the right to secede, not because we immediately felt the threat of emancipation. It's also true that the abolishment of slavery didn't become the focus until later. However, it's pretty dishonest of you to take the spark igniting the conflict and expand it to be the cause of the entire war. The differences over slavery were the major reason why secession occurred. The South would not have seceded if it thought that it could protect slavery by political means.
It was not because of Slavery.  There is a reason that the Southern states called themselves the Confederate States of America.  That reason was that they thought the Federal Goverenment was getting to strong, and that the power of the republic should be held by the states.  They thought the Constitiution gave the Federal Goverenment to much power and the states very little power.  That is why the Confederates based their government off the Articles of Confederation.  This give more power to the states, instead of the centeral government.  Slavery was only added as the cause toward the end of the war when the North was losing.  Lincoln needed another cause in order to get support from the North, and in order to keep other nations out of the war.  There was more reason for Lincoln to keep the South, because of the grains, and food it provided to the USA then slavery.  That was one of the reasons the North did not want the South to leave the Union in the first place.  Like I stated, slavery was an issue but it came late in the war.  People want to make it a war about slavery just to make it seem worth a war to fight for, and not a useless loss of lives.  As someone stated, Lincoln did not free the slaves, as everyone thinks, he just freed them in the states that rebeled.  If the war had been about slavery he would have had to free them all.

As I wrote this, I came to ask myself, if Lincoln did not die in office, was would we have said the war was about?
redneckgrl30
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Well i think you have the damn wright to fly it in front of your house if you so desire you paid for it the flag its your house  i mean some people just want something to complain about all the time . an as far as the kkk an the flag so what, you have like i said blacks wearing there X shirts an hats so does that mean all black people hate whites i hardly think so like in Virginia now they want to the state to say SORRY for slavery no why should the entire state have to say sorry I need no one to speak for me an you take that as you may you say sorry now an in anther 10 years you will have anther bunch of people wanting anther SORRY its just the politicians way of getting votes

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usmarine2007
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redneckgrl30 wrote:

Well i think you have the damn wright to fly it in front of your house if you so desire you paid for it the flag its your house  i mean some people just want something to complain about all the time . an as far as the kkk an the flag so what, you have like i said blacks wearing there X shirts an hats so does that mean all black people hate whites i hardly think so like in Virginia now that want to the state to say SORRY for slavery no why should the entire state have to say sorry I need no one to speak for me an you take that as you may you say sorry now an in anther 10 years you will have anther bunch of people wanting anther SORRY its just the politicians way of getting votes
Sorry, but the "you paid for it" argument fails.  If I bought a huge poster of two girls going at it completely naked, and put in front of my house, would that be ok?  No, it would not would it?
redneckgrl30
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mmmmm thats 2 totally different things my friend thats just being nasty an a little stupid an the other is a matter of pride i went into a gas station  an it was old white lady a black man an Chinese lady in there i had a shirt on with a girl on the back it said juicy the size of those jugs an it had the confederate flag covering her boobs the Chinese lady said that offended her you know what who gives a crap what offends her or anyone else you come to a southern state expect to see the stars an bars some where you don't like get out of Dixie as fast as your legs can take you as i said before PEOPLE always want something to complain about never happen just being a pain in someones side
usmarine2007
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redneckgrl30 wrote:

mmmmm thats 2 totally different things my friend thats just being nasty an a little stupid an the other is a matter of pride
Couldn't someone claim that as gay pride?
ghettoperson
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Am I the only one that thinks that 'redneckgrl30' is a troll? The only way it could be more obvious was if she were called 'redneckgrl69' instead.
redneckgrl30
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Well just look at your name my friend need i say more
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redneckgrl30 wrote:

Well just look at your name my friend need i say more
what does his name have to do with anything?
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redneckgrl30
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Oh i see your one of those white boys trying to be black man so your what we call back here a wanna be HA HA an i said before i treat everyone equal no matter what color but when you start telling anther person how to live it gets kinda personal
redneckgrl30
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well what did my name have to do with anything
spray_and_pray
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+52|6858|Perth. Western Australia

redneckgrl30 wrote:

Well just look at your name my friend need i say more
Please take another English class all your sentences are barely legible. When you put an I in a sentence it is a capital. After a full stop put a capital. Comma's are for when a full stop would be unconventional and is a quick rest instead of a full stop. If you can write in this format I will be able to read what you posted.

On topic, yeah sure but I bet you will look pretty stupid waving around the flag which pretty much uphold's racism and reminds everyone this is why the US gets the bad name redneck.
Cybargs
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ghettoperson wrote:

Am I the only one that thinks that 'redneckgrl30' is a troll? The only way it could be more obvious was if she were called 'redneckgrl69' instead.
It's just another troll that needs to learn English.
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usmarine2007
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cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

ghettoperson wrote:

Am I the only one that thinks that 'redneckgrl30' is a troll? The only way it could be more obvious was if she were called 'redneckgrl69' instead.
It's just another troll that needs to learn English.
Pffttt...English.  Let's speak smurf.

[1stSSF]=Nuka=
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Reciprocity wrote:

we shouldn't have to ban things.  common sense should dictate that any use of the Confederate flag is offensive and insulting and displays nothing more than ignorance and bigotry.
See, this is the problem with simple answers...

The Confederates did NOT go to war simply over slavery any more than the North went to war primarily because of slavery. Sorry, any decent history book will show you that. As a result, while it is EASY and CONVENIENT to state that the Confederate flag is demeaning to Blacks is to show ignorance of the REST of the story. I am a born and bred Northerner and have no love for the flag, but I get so tired of hearing from folks that the flag is a symbol of slavery...it WAS so much more and, again, history lessons will bear this out.

For those of you interested, learn about the encroachment of the Industrial Revolution on the South and how their agrarian background made them a powerhouse prior to the IR and a pariah afterward...and how they struggled to reclaim their political dominance in the face of Northern Industrialization and wealth...

It's a tragic story of a whole group of people failing to change with the times, and yet it also represents MUCH MORE than slavery...

Banning things is a coward's way to avoid the discussion...how is banning that flag any better than burning "Huckleberry Finn" or "Mein Kampf?"
redneckgrl30
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You call it racism to wave the confederate flag so would it be racism when they wear there X I didn't think so an I don't need a English class you know us southern folk we bout as backward as those up north

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topal63
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redneckgrl30 wrote:

well what did my name have to do with anything
Nothing

... and like what's the big deal... trying to infer oppression, slavery, racism, even if true... isn't true/known until the intent of the individual person is known. Flying a flag that might be a racist-symbol to one person is not the same to another until you know the intent.

I am wearing a light brown shirt, light brown pants, black boots, a swastika on my sleeve - with full Al Jolson Black-Face - right now - like what's the big deal? I am just going to a costume party...
spray_and_pray
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+52|6858|Perth. Western Australia

redneckgrl30 wrote:

You call it racism to wave the confederate flag so would it be racism when they where there X I didn't think so an I don't need a English class you know us southern folk we bout as backward as those up north
Was the swasticker a flag that symbolized facism in WW2 nope, does it now yes. I beleive it is even illegal to have one waving.
Cybargs
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redneckgrl30 wrote:

You call it racism to wave the confederate flag so would it be racism when they where there X I didn't think so an I don't need a English class you know us southern folk we bout as backward as those up north
Grammar plz.
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spray_and_pray
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redneckgrl30 wrote:

You call it racism to wave the confederate flag so would it be racism when they where there X I didn't think so an I don't need a English class you know us southern folk we bout as backward as those up north
You just insulted everyone south of the equator I beleive we would be considered southern folk down here. Please refer to yourself as a redneck or it might insult the other half which lives on the other side of the equator.
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cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

redneckgrl30 wrote:

You call it racism to wave the confederate flag so would it be racism when they where there X I didn't think so an I don't need a English class you know us southern folk we bout as backward as those up north
Grammar plz.
never gonna happen
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redneckgrl30
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I'm not a racist just proud of my heritage
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I didn't want to search the whole topic through but why not, the 3rd reich flag is also banned (or is it?)
topal63
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redneckgrl30 wrote:

I'm not a racist just proud of my heritage
And what exactly is that heritage?

Like for me I don't wave/display/own the original Colonial Flag with 13-stars. I am Irish/German/Slovenian, I am most certainly not a Bostonian by heritage.

Last edited by topal63 (2007-01-22 08:13:18)

redneckgrl30
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You take it how you like...................
Marlboroman82
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redneckgrl30 wrote:

I'm not a racist just proud of my heritage
where are you from? i grew up in rural ms just so you know. also i think if you look at what this flag is it's nothing more than a piece of cloth. it should be remembered but not displayed on the top of capital buildings.
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