ATG
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+5,233|6955|Global Command
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In slick sleight-of-hand maneuvers reminiscient of Rove in the glory days, Muqtada al Sadr will end up with all the cards in Baghdad.

A BBC reporter that covers the militia beat in Baghdad explains that within al Sadr's organization are rivals who are not loyal to him and tend to take matters into their own hands. The U.S. "crackdown" manuevers are essentially doing al Sadr's dirty work: killing or capturing the renegades within al Sadr's domain. al Sadr had ordered his loyalists to stand down, get off the streets, melt away. The US will clean up the "rivals".

Then this:
A special to the Huffington Post

A peaceful coup is being attempted in Baghdad, seeking to replace Nouri al-Maliki with a coalition between the Sunni political leader Saleh al-Mutlak and the Shiite insurgent leader Moqtada al-Sadr.

Mainstream media has reported that the US has hoped to cajole the Sunnis to align with al-Maliki against al-Sadr, a scenario that seemingly is being rejected and reversed. Instead, al-Sadr's bloc is demanding a US timeline for withdrawal.

CNN' Nick Robertson featured an interview today [Thursday morning] with al-Mutlak in Baghdad, describing the unfolding transition plan as having been months in the making. It appeared that a threatened al-Maliki would have to join the call for US withdrawal, or face the possibility of being replaced by an interim government.

The interim outcome for Baghdad, with its five million residents divided 60-40 between Shiite and Sunni, might be cease-fires in place, while US troops withdraw and services like electricity restoration take priority.

For al-Sadr, his bloc would expand further inside government, where he already controls four ministries. His Mahdi Army would avoid another battle with the Americans. He would become, sooner or later, the most popular leader in a reconfigured Iraq. Like it or not, the current Lebanon model comes to mind, where Hezbollah dominates the south and is a major player in a coalition government representing several ethnic/religious groups. Such may be the outcome of the neo-conservatives' grand design for the Middle East.



The American Soldier
By Terry Hart
Future Wife to Sgt. Ereck Keith
They Fight For Family, Friend, Country And Man,
Fighting For What We Call Our Land
Defending Right And Wrong, Honor And Pride,
With God Standing At There Side.

They Are The American Soldier, Strong And True.
A Warrior, Teacher, Student, Man,
Defending The Rights Of This Great Land.
Woman, Sister, Uncle, Aunt, Mother, Father From Every Branch.
Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine
What A Beautiful Sight, These Colors Don’t Bleed.

The American Soldier Is Certainly A Site To Behold.
Doing Their Duty Paying The Price,
Giving Their Time, Their Talent, And Sometimes Their Life.

There Is So Much We See, And Do In This Life,
So Much We Take For Granted, So Much We Take With Pride,
We Never Stop To Think Of Those Who Have Gone Before,
Those That Have Fought For Our Freedom
Those Who Have Fought In Many Wars
They Stood For Right And Wrong
They Paid The Ultimate Price
The Died To Defend Our Freedom, They Died Defending Our Lives.

So The Next Time You Find Yourself Questioning This War,
Think Of All The Soldiers Who Have Gone Before,
Remember What They Were Fighting For…………

T.L.Keith
03/21/04


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Last edited by ATG (2007-01-20 22:57:48)

Skorpy-chan
Member
+127|6771|Twyford, UK
Sooner or later, the US will run out of high-ranking iraqis to bomb, possibly just after the iraqis run out of traitors, renegades, and rebels.
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6987
I'm amazed that you are incapable of keeping serious discussion and all your other crap seperate ATG.  That and the fact that not long ago you launched a thread implying that Bush had soldier's backs, now you do the opposite.

Either way, I think the US needs to accept that to create a permanent peace they'll have to negiotiate with the power players.
pRiNcEkAhUnA1
Member
+6|6895

Bubbalo wrote:

I'm amazed that you are incapable of keeping serious discussion and all your other crap seperate ATG.  That and the fact that not long ago you launched a thread implying that Bush had soldier's backs, now you do the opposite.

Either way, I think the US needs to accept that to create a permanent peace they'll have to negiotiate with the power players.
We are the power players and we kill all the fucking shit heads who like to kill innocent Iraqis'.  You seem to have a problem with that.
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6987
Yes, the US are real powerplayers.  You totally have everything under control.  I have complete and utter faith in your abilities.

By the way, when are you planning on killing the US soldiers who have been found to have killed innocent Iraqis?
spray_and_pray
Member
+52|6917|Perth. Western Australia

pRiNcEkAhUnA1 wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:

I'm amazed that you are incapable of keeping serious discussion and all your other crap seperate ATG.  That and the fact that not long ago you launched a thread implying that Bush had soldier's backs, now you do the opposite.

Either way, I think the US needs to accept that to create a permanent peace they'll have to negiotiate with the power players.
We are the power players and we kill all the fucking shit heads who like to kill innocent Iraqis'.  You seem to have a problem with that.
But you already killed 600 000 innocents. Go shoot yourself for voting in the dickhead president.
Pierre
I hunt criminals down for a living
+68|7101|Belgium

pRiNcEkAhUnA1 wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:

I'm amazed that you are incapable of keeping serious discussion and all your other crap seperate ATG.  That and the fact that not long ago you launched a thread implying that Bush had soldier's backs, now you do the opposite.

Either way, I think the US needs to accept that to create a permanent peace they'll have to negiotiate with the power players.
We are the power players and we kill all the fucking shit heads who like to kill innocent Iraqis'.  You seem to have a problem with that.
From what I see at the daily news (CNN, BBC, etc.), it doesn't look like you're any power at all atm...
autopilot
banned
+115|6774

What does it mean to be bamboozeld?
Flecco
iPod is broken.
+1,048|7091|NT, like Mick Dundee

Pierre wrote:

pRiNcEkAhUnA1 wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:

I'm amazed that you are incapable of keeping serious discussion and all your other crap seperate ATG.  That and the fact that not long ago you launched a thread implying that Bush had soldier's backs, now you do the opposite.

Either way, I think the US needs to accept that to create a permanent peace they'll have to negiotiate with the power players.
We are the power players and we kill all the fucking shit heads who like to kill innocent Iraqis'.  You seem to have a problem with that.
From what I see at the daily news (CNN, BBC, etc.), it doesn't look like you're any power at all atm...
Have you been to Iraq? Yes? No?.... The media always has an angle dude, don't take anything from it without a grain of salt added...

EDIT

I do personally think that the US is in a losing situation there but just warning you. The media does have objectives that don't include reporting the truth. The stories that people want to hear sell so much better.

Last edited by Flecco (2007-01-21 06:58:21)

Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6871|The Land of Scott Walker

Bubbalo wrote:

Yes, the US are real powerplayers.  You totally have everything under control.  I have complete and utter faith in your abilities.

By the way, when are you planning on killing the US soldiers who have been found to have killed innocent Iraqis?
If they are found guilty, then it will probably be awhile if there is an appeal process in the military.  Not sure how that works.
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6955|Global Command

Bubbalo wrote:

I'm amazed that you are incapable of keeping serious discussion and all your other crap seperate ATG.  That and the fact that not long ago you launched a thread implying that Bush had soldier's backs, now you do the opposite.

Either way, I think the US needs to accept that to create a permanent peace they'll have to negiotiate with the power players.
What the fuck are you talking about Lizard?
You make no sense.
usmarine2007
Banned
+374|6793|Columbus, Ohio

ATG wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:

I'm amazed that you are incapable of keeping serious discussion and all your other crap seperate ATG.  That and the fact that not long ago you launched a thread implying that Bush had soldier's backs, now you do the opposite.

Either way, I think the US needs to accept that to create a permanent peace they'll have to negiotiate with the power players.
What the fuck are you talking about Lizard?
You make no sense.
All he does is insult and antagonize threads.  Remember, he did say he was not stupid enough to join the military, so I am below him I guess.
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6955|Global Command

autopilot wrote:

What does it mean to be bamboozeld?
Ask Bubbalo. That guy is perpetually bamboozled.
SoC./Omega
Member
+122|6967|Omaha, Nebraska!

Bubbalo wrote:

Yes, the US are real powerplayers.  You totally have everything under control.  I have complete and utter faith in your abilities.

By the way, when are you planning on killing the US soldiers who have been found to have killed innocent Iraqis?
Some are by accident, some not. The times it is on purpose those soldiers are probably trying to take out their anger for a friend dying etc, every country has that. Also SOME Americans have sick minds as in every country. We won't kill the soldiers, we will put them in jail...killing them would serve no purpose.
usmarine2007
Banned
+374|6793|Columbus, Ohio

Bubbalo wrote:

By the way, when are you planning on killing the US soldiers who have been found to have killed innocent Iraqis?
In which specific situations?  Accidents?  or not?  I think the dude who raped and killed that family, should be killed for sure.  But that is not up to me, or.....believe it or not, you.
pRiNcEkAhUnA1
Member
+6|6895

usmarine2007 wrote:

ATG wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:

I'm amazed that you are incapable of keeping serious discussion and all your other crap seperate ATG.  That and the fact that not long ago you launched a thread implying that Bush had soldier's backs, now you do the opposite.

Either way, I think the US needs to accept that to create a permanent peace they'll have to negiotiate with the power players.
What the fuck are you talking about Lizard?
You make no sense.
All he does is insult and antagonize threads.  Remember, he did say he was not stupid enough to join the military, so I am below him I guess.
I must below him then too.
usmarine2007
Banned
+374|6793|Columbus, Ohio

pRiNcEkAhUnA1 wrote:

usmarine2007 wrote:

ATG wrote:


What the fuck are you talking about Lizard?
You make no sense.
All he does is insult and antagonize threads.  Remember, he did say he was not stupid enough to join the military, so I am below him I guess.
I must below him then too.
Welcome, grab your handicapped sticker at the window.
pRiNcEkAhUnA1
Member
+6|6895

usmarine2007 wrote:

pRiNcEkAhUnA1 wrote:

usmarine2007 wrote:


All he does is insult and antagonize threads.  Remember, he did say he was not stupid enough to join the military, so I am below him I guess.
I must below him then too.
Welcome, grab your handicapped sticker at the window.
10-4 U.S. Army all the way.
iamangry
Member
+59|7071|The United States of America

spray_and_pray wrote:

pRiNcEkAhUnA1 wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:

I'm amazed that you are incapable of keeping serious discussion and all your other crap seperate ATG.  That and the fact that not long ago you launched a thread implying that Bush had soldier's backs, now you do the opposite.

Either way, I think the US needs to accept that to create a permanent peace they'll have to negiotiate with the power players.
We are the power players and we kill all the fucking shit heads who like to kill innocent Iraqis'.  You seem to have a problem with that.
But you already killed 600 000 innocents. Go shoot yourself for voting in the dickhead president.
Sorry moron, American soldiers aren't the one's strapping 100 lbs of dynamite to their chest, going into the town square, and killing 100 of their neighbors.  Americans aren't the ones loading artillery shells into cars and driving them into Mosques and hospitals.  Americans aren't kidnapping hundreds of people at a time, torturing and beheading them, and laying them out to rot in the streets.  Americans aren't planting IED's, Americans aren't using mortars on civilian targets. 

That's whats killing most of the Iraqis though.  So don't you dare say our troops are responsible for the deaths of 600k innocents.  You can look to the crazy muslim "religious figures" and "freedom fighters" for that responsibility.
UGADawgs
Member
+13|6747|South Carolina, US

spray_and_pray wrote:

pRiNcEkAhUnA1 wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:

I'm amazed that you are incapable of keeping serious discussion and all your other crap seperate ATG.  That and the fact that not long ago you launched a thread implying that Bush had soldier's backs, now you do the opposite.

Either way, I think the US needs to accept that to create a permanent peace they'll have to negiotiate with the power players.
We are the power players and we kill all the fucking shit heads who like to kill innocent Iraqis'.  You seem to have a problem with that.
But you already killed 600 000 innocents. Go shoot yourself for voting in the dickhead president.
You dumbass, most of those deaths are from sectarian warfare. You have to be a real idiot to think that US troops personally killed 600,000 people.
Pierre
I hunt criminals down for a living
+68|7101|Belgium

Flecco wrote:

Have you been to Iraq? Yes? No?.... The media always has an angle dude, don't take anything from it without a grain of salt added...
I do personally think that the US is in a losing situation there but just warning you. The media does have objectives that don't include reporting the truth. The stories that people want to hear sell so much better.
No, I've never been to Iraq, and I probably won't go there in the near future.  I know the media have most of the times their own interests in the stories they tell, but I try to take the best of the information I can get from different sources, just to get an average picture.

I was mostly referring to the use of the word 'superpower', which in the post I answered to seemed to mean that the US military is able to do anything, so they will win in the end.  There's a difference between winning a battle against an opfor and winning a war. Ask the Germans in the occupied territories (France, Belgium, etc.) how they could not cope with the resistance, ask the French and Americans in Vietnam, ask the Russians in Afghanistan.

Iraq 2003-20xx is the very same: militarily the US armed forces are the best, no doubt about it, but unless there is a political solution there will be no peace.

And BTW, I have a lot of respect for all members of the US forces (unless they commit crimes, and then I have faith in the American justice system), but I don't have any respect for the neo-con cowboys who are in the White House atm.
spray_and_pray
Member
+52|6917|Perth. Western Australia

UGADawgs wrote:

spray_and_pray wrote:

pRiNcEkAhUnA1 wrote:


We are the power players and we kill all the fucking shit heads who like to kill innocent Iraqis'.  You seem to have a problem with that.
But you already killed 600 000 innocents. Go shoot yourself for voting in the dickhead president.
You dumbass, most of those deaths are from sectarian warfare. You have to be a real idiot to think that US troops personally killed 600,000 people.
Hmmm who's the dumnass? Those 600 000 people are dead because the US invaded the country killed what is it 100 000 as published by the US or 60 000 revived terrorism again and caused more deaths. Sadam was killing people for 30 years and only managed to get 1 million. Thanks to the US an acceleration has happened and now its 600 000 in 3 almost 4 years. Thanks for your attempted destruction, but fail.
UGADawgs
Member
+13|6747|South Carolina, US

spray_and_pray wrote:

UGADawgs wrote:

spray_and_pray wrote:


But you already killed 600 000 innocents. Go shoot yourself for voting in the dickhead president.
You dumbass, most of those deaths are from sectarian warfare. You have to be a real idiot to think that US troops personally killed 600,000 people.
Hmmm who's the dumnass? Those 600 000 people are dead because the US invaded the country killed what is it 100 000 as published by the US or 60 000 revived terrorism again and caused more deaths. Sadam was killing people for 30 years and only managed to get 1 million. Thanks to the US an acceleration has happened and now its 600 000 in 3 almost 4 years. Thanks for your attempted destruction, but fail.
Whether the US came or not Iraq would eventually collapse into this giant mess. Even Saddam couldn't hold Iraq together forever.
spray_and_pray
Member
+52|6917|Perth. Western Australia

UGADawgs wrote:

spray_and_pray wrote:

UGADawgs wrote:


You dumbass, most of those deaths are from sectarian warfare. You have to be a real idiot to think that US troops personally killed 600,000 people.
Hmmm who's the dumnass? Those 600 000 people are dead because the US invaded the country killed what is it 100 000 as published by the US or 60 000 revived terrorism again and caused more deaths. Sadam was killing people for 30 years and only managed to get 1 million. Thanks to the US an acceleration has happened and now its 600 000 in 3 almost 4 years. Thanks for your attempted destruction, but fail.
Whether the US came or not Iraq would eventually collapse into this giant mess. Even Saddam couldn't hold Iraq together forever.
Are you attempting to deny the fact that you accelerated the amount of deaths in Iraq or are you just acting stupid? Especially when you attacked me in the beggining.
UGADawgs
Member
+13|6747|South Carolina, US

spray_and_pray wrote:

UGADawgs wrote:

spray_and_pray wrote:


Hmmm who's the dumnass? Those 600 000 people are dead because the US invaded the country killed what is it 100 000 as published by the US or 60 000 revived terrorism again and caused more deaths. Sadam was killing people for 30 years and only managed to get 1 million. Thanks to the US an acceleration has happened and now its 600 000 in 3 almost 4 years. Thanks for your attempted destruction, but fail.
Whether the US came or not Iraq would eventually collapse into this giant mess. Even Saddam couldn't hold Iraq together forever.
Are you attempting to deny the fact that you accelerated the amount of deaths in Iraq or are you just acting stupid? Especially when you attacked me in the beggining.
I won't deny that the US presence has unfortunately allowed for this violence to happen, but you make it sound like US troops personally rounded up 600,000 people and gunned them down.

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