BF2S Forums And That's Why We Should Not Allow Genocide Denyial

seriosuly relegion should be banned, fullstop.

While people definitely shouldn't kill someone over views, genocide deniers have the same right to voice their opinion as do regular historians.

Bertster7 wrote:

UGADawgs wrote:

While people definitely shouldn't kill someone over views, genocide deniers have the same right to voice their opinion as do regular historians.

People shouldn't have the right to perpetuate disinformation. It's totally unproductive and leads to all sorts of problems.

So should we make every lie a felony and unintentional misinformation a misdemeanor? In a public forum, people have the right to give their opinions, however stupid or wrong they are.

UGADawgs wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

UGADawgs wrote:

While people definitely shouldn't kill someone over views, genocide deniers have the same right to voice their opinion as do regular historians.

People shouldn't have the right to perpetuate disinformation. It's totally unproductive and leads to all sorts of problems.

So should we make every lie a felony and unintentional misinformation a misdemeanor? In a public forum, people have the right to give their opinions, however stupid or wrong they are.

No.

Not on that sort of scale. But things like Holocaust denial and teaching stupid nonsense like Intelligent Design in schools should be banned.

It's a bit like libel, but since there is no one to take them to court, the government would have to do it instead.

UGADawgs wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

UGADawgs wrote:

While people definitely shouldn't kill someone over views, genocide deniers have the same right to voice their opinion as do regular historians.

People shouldn't have the right to perpetuate disinformation. It's totally unproductive and leads to all sorts of problems.

So should we make every lie a felony and unintentional misinformation a misdemeanor? In a public forum, people have the right to give their opinions, however stupid or wrong they are.

You're talking BS: to deny a historical fact is NOT the expression of an opinion, so it has nothing to do with freedom of speech.

In another post (http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=48243&p=1) I wrote:

Some people are missing the point here... freedom of speech respects your right to have and to express your opinion (political, religion, etc.), but it does not mean you have the right to simply deny or contest plain and proven historical facts (http://www.armenian-genocide.org).

Bubbalo wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

teaching stupid nonsense like Intelligent Design in schools should be banned.

Should ID be taught in schools?  No.  Should there be laws against it?  I don't think there should, no.  The law is not the place for declaring what is and isn't fact.  Rather, it is a place for regulating behaviour that is harmful in the community and where there should be definitiveness, and clearness.  Saying whether something did or didn't happen is rarely definitive.

Teaching children nonsense that isn't true is harmful to the community, thus is something the law should cover and does in the UK.

Bertster7 wrote:

UGADawgs wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

People shouldn't have the right to perpetuate disinformation. It's totally unproductive and leads to all sorts of problems.

So should we make every lie a felony and unintentional misinformation a misdemeanor? In a public forum, people have the right to give their opinions, however stupid or wrong they are.

No.

Not on that sort of scale. But things like Holocaust denial and teaching stupid nonsense like Intelligent Design in schools should be banned.

It's a bit like libel, but since there is no one to take them to court, the government would have to do it instead.

I know Europe has held this mentality for years due to Holocaust denial being banned, but there's no legitimate reason to ban denial. I don't see how denying something wouldn't be an opinion that, despite being stupid, can be expressed. I suppose next you'll want the government to round up people who say up is down and left is right.

As for libel, I don't see how denying the Holocaust would cause damage to the reputation of anyone but the denier himself. Holocaust denial makes a lot of people angry but it doesn't harm the reputations or public standing of anyone but the idiot who denied the Holocaust.

Bubbalo wrote:

But the problem is, who is to decide what are plain and proven historical facts?  Where do we draw the line on proof?

Facts are to be proven.
I guess historians, media (non biased), UN, etc can easily do that.
Once it is certain, these are to be considered facts.
E.g. Holocaust, Armenian genocide, darfur genocide, the treatment of Palestinians, etc.

Mongoose wrote:

seriosuly relegion should be banned, fullstop.

How? Genocide?

Bertster7 wrote:

UGADawgs wrote:

While people definitely shouldn't kill someone over views, genocide deniers have the same right to voice their opinion as do regular historians.

People shouldn't have the right to perpetuate disinformation. It's totally unproductive and leads to all sorts of problems.

Thats right. But we would have to produce the mass graves and take a body census to prove the real numbers killed.

That guy had been jailed in the past because he had spoken out through his newspaper about the Armenian genocide. The Turkish government (and courts of course) had decided that he was smudging the country's facade with lies, essentially making the supposed lie a felony like UGADawgs said.

I know that denying facts like that can have devastating effects for future generations, but penalizing such lies is quite a tricky thing to do. There's tons of cases that are everything but clear-cut... and anyone who attempts to illegalize an opinion is sure to stumble on many obstacles...

lol sergeriver, you failed again.

hrant dink was an objective aermenian, and his death was protested by lots of turks. I was sorry to because my countrys way has been blocked by our haters.

and do you say that he was killed by a nationalist turk that cant think his countrys future so its proved that turks hate armenians?

that kill was just a provakation.

Last edited by Ottomania (2007-01-21 05:02:05)