cosworth1983
Member
+21|6456|Enschede / Netherlands
Hey guys me again,  So i got my new system up and running since a couple of days,  and I'm still not sure about my 8800GTX.
My new system is :

C2D E6600 @  3200 MHz   ( 400 x 8 )
Asus p5w dh deluxe
2GB Corsair PC8500 dominator @ 400MHz   ( 3-4-3-12 )
XFX 8800 gtx
2 x 80 GB Seagate Raid-0
600 watt PSU.

Its not that i didn't see an big increase in performance compared to the old AMD 3700+ / PC3200 ram,  but i still only get 10.000 3dmark06 points,   and  155000 aquamark points.
They seem a bit low,   and i don't know what to tweak next?.
I can RMA the card,  but that really the last thing i wanna do.

Greetz


https://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p286/mhrslidertje/score.jpg

Last edited by cosworth1983 (2007-01-19 09:32:06)

fierce
I love [fiSh]
+167|6539
1. Stop using synthetic Benchmarks, they only say if the drivers are optimized for them - do some gamebenchmarking
2. Which Screensettings did you use for the benchmark?

10k points on 3Dmark06 is ok for a 8800gtx @ 1280x1024. You should try it in really huge resolutions like 2560*1600 - then you'll see the real advantages of your setup.

Last edited by fierce (2007-01-19 09:37:04)

cosworth1983
Member
+21|6456|Enschede / Netherlands
Maybe,  but i see score's of 14.000+ with 8800gtx and E6600

and i really cant tell of the performance of the card is what it should be.   i play bf2 @ 1600x1200 all maxed out @ 95 to 100 fps constant.
But in  2142 im forced to play @ 1280 x 960 cause @ 1600x1200 the frames will go down to about 45 fps ( 64 player map ) .
And R6 vegas also runs like shit.  40 fps tops.
I have a friend who has a 8800gts,   think im gonna give him a call, and swap cards for a sec.
That will be interesting.

Greetz
Ryan
Member
+1,230|6814|Alberta, Canada

If you like the card and you get really good frame rates in your games, don't worry about some stupid 5 digit number.

Just cuz you get 10,000 marks, doesn't mean the card is poor.
Stormscythe
Aiming for the head
+88|6520|EUtopia | Austria

cosworth1983 wrote:

Hey guys me again,  So i got my new system up and running since a couple of days,  and I'm still not sure about my 8800GTX.
My new system is :

C2D E6600 @  3200 MHz   ( 400 x 8 )
Asus p5w dh deluxe
2GB Corsair PC8500 dominator @ 400MHz   ( 3-4-3-12 )
XFX 8800 gtx
2 x 80 GB Seagate Raid-0
600 watt PSU.

Its not that i didn't see an big increase in performance compared to the old AMD 3700+ / PC3200 ram,  but i still only get 10.000 3dmark06 points,   and  155000 aquamark points.
They seem a bit low,   and i don't know what to tweak next?.
I can RMA the card,  but that really the last thing i wanna do.

Greetz


http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p286 … /score.jpg
Well, I've already asked once about RAM clock speed and timings. I've been told that, as far as Intel systems are concerned, clock speed is way more valuable. So - well, I can't see why you're running your neat DDR2-1066 at 400MHz...
I mean, whatfor did you buy a Dominator?

Last edited by Stormscythe (2007-01-19 09:56:15)

Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|6687
Yep that's what I get... 10k for 3Dmark 06 and 17k for 05. I have pretty much the same setup.
https://cache.www.gametracker.com/server_info/203.46.105.23:21300/b_350_20_692108_381007_FFFFFF_000000.png
Bell
Frosties > Cornflakes
+362|6520|UK

cosworth1983 wrote:

Maybe,  but i see score's of 14.000+ with 8800gtx and E6600
Sure?  Cause if my memory serves me well Kerry got about that with an Ex6800 and 4GB @ 800mhz RAM with that GPU you have.  Highest ive seen of a machine round your spec was around the 11k mark, and that was with a bit of OC and RAM running at 667mhz.  ALthough I dont really know what impacy RAM amount and speed has on the scores.

Martyn
cosworth1983
Member
+21|6456|Enschede / Netherlands

Stormscythe wrote:

cosworth1983 wrote:

Hey guys me again,  So i got my new system up and running since a couple of days,  and I'm still not sure about my 8800GTX.
My new system is :

C2D E6600 @  3200 MHz   ( 400 x 8 )
Asus p5w dh deluxe
2GB Corsair PC8500 dominator @ 400MHz   ( 3-4-3-12 )
XFX 8800 gtx
2 x 80 GB Seagate Raid-0
600 watt PSU.

Its not that i didn't see an big increase in performance compared to the old AMD 3700+ / PC3200 ram,  but i still only get 10.000 3dmark06 points,   and  155000 aquamark points.
They seem a bit low,   and i don't know what to tweak next?.
I can RMA the card,  but that really the last thing i wanna do.

Greetz


http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p286 … /score.jpg
Well, I've already asked once about RAM clock speed and timings. I've been told that, as far as Intel systems are concerned, clock speed is way more valuable. So - well, I can't see why you're running your neat DDR2-1066 at 400MHz...
I mean, whatfor did you buy a Dominator?
Well it wasn't my intention to buy PC8500 Ram,  but i waited for about 3 weeks on my PC6400 Ram,   and still the store couldn's deliver it,   and the PC8500 Ram was in stock.
And since i got this Fast memory,  i am running cas 3 on 800 mhz,  and thats pretty fast.

Will i get an performance increas if i set my ram on 533 mhz   5-5-5-15?

Greetz
The#1Spot
Member
+105|6510|byah
higher bus=higher performance
cosworth1983
Member
+21|6456|Enschede / Netherlands

The#1Spot wrote:

higher bus=higher performance
Yeah i know,   just reached 400FSB this morning,   will try to go higher in the next couple of days.

btw:  are there any mobo on the market who can do 533 mhz FSB? (on air)


Greetz

Last edited by cosworth1983 (2007-01-19 15:41:03)

Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6552|SE London

cosworth1983 wrote:

The#1Spot wrote:

higher bus=higher performance
Yeah i know,   just reached 400FSB this morning,   will try to go higher in the next couple of days.

btw:  are there any mobo on the market who can do 533 mhz FSB? (on air)


Greetz
Not with a 6600. The FSB tolerances aren't high enough. I doubt you'll reach that on anything, highest I've hit is 504MHz (x6 - with very little in the way of stability and a lot of heat) on my 6300.

I don't understand your RAM settings. Why are you running it so slowly, or is that the speed before you factor in the DDR double pumping?

Why are you so concerned about exactly matching your memory and FSB settings? Just put a divider on there. Frequency > Latency, especially for large cached Intel CPUs.
B00MH3ADSH0T
Fresh NoobCaeks Here
+118|6361|Penrith,Nsw, Aus
if pc-6400 is 800mhz then wtf is yours at 400mhz on 8500
cosworth1983
Member
+21|6456|Enschede / Netherlands
Its running on 400FSB,   so 800mhz ram  1:1 divider.
i heard that setting the Ram with a divider didn't do much,  so i like to set it on 1:1 and go for lower timings.


Greetz

Last edited by cosworth1983 (2007-01-20 09:01:12)

Stormscythe
Aiming for the head
+88|6520|EUtopia | Austria

cosworth1983 wrote:

Its running on 400FSB,   so 800mhz ram  1:1 divider.
i heard that setting the Ram with a divider didn't do much,  so i like to set it on 1:1 and go for lower timings.


Greetz
I've been told lower timings are no use on intel systems - but honestly more than double transfer rate DOES make a difference! So set that divider on whatever you need it, probably 4:2 with CL4 settings.
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6552|SE London

Stormscythe wrote:

cosworth1983 wrote:

Its running on 400FSB,   so 800mhz ram  1:1 divider.
i heard that setting the Ram with a divider didn't do much,  so i like to set it on 1:1 and go for lower timings.


Greetz
I've been told lower timings are no use on intel systems - but honestly more than double transfer rate DOES make a difference! So set that divider on whatever you need it, probably 4:2 with CL4 settings.
It wouldn't be more than double frequency. It would be a difference of 266MHz, 800 upto 1066.

You are right about the low timings being of little benefit on Intel systems. This is because AMD CPUs have the memory controller onchip and so lower latencies give a big performance boost, whereas frequency increases are not much benefit (which is why AM2 is such a shit thing).
cosworth1983
Member
+21|6456|Enschede / Netherlands
So i tried setting the Ram on 533 mhz,   changed the timings to SPD and rebooted,  but the monitor stayed off.
So i upped the Vdimm a bit and tried again... Still nothing.
I heard that sometimes you may want to up the Vcore of the notrhbridge a bit to reach 1066mhz Ram.
I did that, and i upped the Vdimm a bit more,  this time it booted fine,  but when i tried to run a bench or a game.. it BSOD on me.
So i want back to the bios and changed the FSB to 395,   and again it BSOD while benshing or games.
So im back to where i was,   but im running on 410 FSB now,  and still going.
I can't set the RAM fsb to what i want,  it just gives me a 800mhz or 1066 mhz option.

Greetz

Edit:   And i would like to add,  when i tested the Memory writing and reading in Everest Ultimate,   the both scored lower while being on 533 mhz,    9650 mb/s versus  9980 mb/s on a 1:1 divider.

Last edited by cosworth1983 (2007-01-20 09:37:03)

Stormscythe
Aiming for the head
+88|6520|EUtopia | Austria

Bertster7 wrote:

Stormscythe wrote:

I've been told lower timings are no use on intel systems - but honestly more than double transfer rate DOES make a difference! So set that divider on whatever you need it, probably 4:2 with CL4 settings.
It wouldn't be more than double frequency. It would be a difference of 266MHz, 800 upto 1066.
Man, i totally messed up here, the 400MHz are the effective clock of a DDR2-800, right? ^^
MagikTrik
yes.....but your still gay
+138|6341|Pittsburgh, PA USA
I have an FX-62 & 8800GTX & get around 10,000 like you in 3DMark06 at stock speeds. My first run after installing the new processor only gave me like 9600 but now I average a little over 10k. I just assumed that was normal. I have 4GB of 800MHz Patriot RAM too (i think the cas is 5), I upgraded from too & didn't see any difference in 3DMark but I can definitely tell in Photoshop.
Let me know if you get something good working, might try it myself.
cosworth1983
Member
+21|6456|Enschede / Netherlands

Stormscythe wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

Stormscythe wrote:

I've been told lower timings are no use on intel systems - but honestly more than double transfer rate DOES make a difference! So set that divider on whatever you need it, probably 4:2 with CL4 settings.
It wouldn't be more than double frequency. It would be a difference of 266MHz, 800 upto 1066.
Man, i totally messed up here, the 400MHz are the effective clock of a DDR2-800, right? ^^
Yeah,    400mhz x2 = 800mhz  ddr2            533mhz x 2 = 1066 mhz ddr2
diphusion
Member
+3|6280
I get 11008 with 8800gtx (@ stock) e6600 (@ 3.2ghz) and corsair 6400c4 (@ stock).
cosworth1983 your speeds do seem a little low, I'd expect between 11000-13000 for your speeds.
I'd try running the RAM at a higher speed and increasing the CAS to like 4 or 5.  Higher CAS times don't really affect C2D's as much as previous CPU's because of the huge L2 cache, but they _do_ like the extra RAM bandwidth.
Also, is your RAM configured in dual-channel mode?
Remember to set your nVidia settings to 'high performance' in windows too, thats 'standard' for 3dmark 06.
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6552|SE London

cosworth1983 wrote:

So i tried setting the Ram on 533 mhz,   changed the timings to SPD and rebooted,  but the monitor stayed off.
So i upped the Vdimm a bit and tried again... Still nothing.
I heard that sometimes you may want to up the Vcore of the notrhbridge a bit to reach 1066mhz Ram.
I did that, and i upped the Vdimm a bit more,  this time it booted fine,  but when i tried to run a bench or a game.. it BSOD on me.
So i want back to the bios and changed the FSB to 395,   and again it BSOD while benshing or games.
So im back to where i was,   but im running on 410 FSB now,  and still going.
I can't set the RAM fsb to what i want,  it just gives me a 800mhz or 1066 mhz option.

Greetz

Edit:   And i would like to add,  when i tested the Memory writing and reading in Everest Ultimate,   the both scored lower while being on 533 mhz,    9650 mb/s versus  9980 mb/s on a 1:1 divider.
That'd be down to your chipset. A lot of mobos have issues running dividers and take a performance hit greater than the boost in speed you get from the increased memory frequency.
Jbrar
rawr
+86|6512|Winterpeg, Canada
wow, ur hitting 10k, I hit just under 6k with the same setup, but a 7950gt, somethin's bottlenecking but I haven't been able to figure it out.
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6552|SE London

Jbrar wrote:

wow, ur hitting 10k, I hit just under 6k with the same setup, but a 7950gt, somethin's bottlenecking but I haven't been able to figure it out.
That's not suprising. Your GPU is way, way slower.
Jbrar
rawr
+86|6512|Winterpeg, Canada

Bertster7 wrote:

Jbrar wrote:

wow, ur hitting 10k, I hit just under 6k with the same setup, but a 7950gt, somethin's bottlenecking but I haven't been able to figure it out.
That's not suprising. Your GPU is way, way slower.
It's slower, but is that the only thing. I've also been looking at my mobo stuff, didn't realize that it's 965 chipset.

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