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Never say never. Who'd have thought that one little armpit of an island right off Europe's coast would've ever amounted to anything?

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2007-01-11 17:47:59)

Firstly, China is not Communist

Secondly, China will almost undoubtedly be a world superpower in the near future

Thridly, there is a huge inequality in the quality of life in the urban areas and the rural areas, with the rural areas being (basically) third world.  As a result, China doesn't have a single standard of living, as such, but rather and urban and a rural standard of living.

dark110 wrote:

Any your wrong, it is comunist.

Oh?  And you base that statement on?

dark110 wrote:

Any your wrong, it is comunist.

That part made me laugh out loud.

dark110 wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:

Firstly, China is not Communist

Secondly, China will almost undoubtedly be a world superpower in the near future

Thridly, there is a huge inequality in the quality of life in the urban areas and the rural areas, with the rural areas being (basically) third world.  As a result, China doesn't have a single standard of living, as such, but rather and urban and a rural standard of living.

This is more of a post not to hate china, (not that you were) but to realiz, these are PEOPLE, not crazy wackjobs.

Any your wrong, it is comunist.

They are communist but not the same as USSR.  I dont know that a country could be anything other than communist with that much population.  If ther were a billion people in the US it would be chaos.  Think of all the whack jobs that come out of a population of 300 000 000, then more than triple it.  IMO you have to have a bit o a strong arm to govern that.  Too many people, and opinions and then nothing gets done.

PluggedValve wrote:

They are communist but not the same as USSR.  I dont know that a country could be anything other than communist with that much population.  If ther were a billion people in the US it would be chaos.  Think of all the whack jobs that come out of a population of 300 000 000, then more than triple it.  IMO you have to have a bit o a strong arm to govern that.  Too many people, and opinions and then nothing gets done.

Nope, sorry mate but the USSR was not a communist state.

dark110 wrote:

TeamZephyr wrote:

PluggedValve wrote:

They are communist but not the same as USSR.  I dont know that a country could be anything other than communist with that much population.  If ther were a billion people in the US it would be chaos.  Think of all the whack jobs that come out of a population of 300 000 000, then more than triple it.  IMO you have to have a bit o a strong arm to govern that.  Too many people, and opinions and then nothing gets done.

Nope, sorry mate but the USSR was not a communist state.

MY BALLS THEY WERNT

You are obviously completey uneducated about what communism actually is.

TeamZephyr wrote:

dark110 wrote:

TeamZephyr wrote:

Nope, sorry mate but the USSR was not a communist state.

MY BALLS THEY WERNT

You are obviously completey uneducated about what communism actually is.

well educate us, tell us what system ussr had and what is communism ?

Mogura wrote:

TeamZephyr wrote:

dark110 wrote:

MY BALLS THEY WERNT

You are obviously completey uneducated about what communism actually is.

well educate us, tell us what system ussr had and what is communism ?

No, he is right.  Russia evolved into something far different from communism, and it was just KNOWN to be communism when actually it wasn't communism at all.  The ideas of Communism from Karl Marx and what the USSR actually was running it's government are different.

Last edited by eagles1106 (2007-01-13 06:13:17)

dark110 wrote:

This is a PBS series that was on last night and it really struck me. I’ve always thought of what I heard about china is that is a rising power, and I always detested that. But this series, of which I have only seen the fist two of four (which have yet to air); it is obvious that china is not that. I'm no old guy, but I know about communism and all that, and I, being American, was taught to dislike it. And this series, concentrating on daily life and how the state controls life, I see why. It is painfully obvious that China will never be superpower. But it’s not really about that anyway; it’s more about life and the people. It’s wrenched. Some families barley know each other and lie in dirt, I know this exists elsewhere, but not in countries proclaiming to be "world influencers". This is not a rant or a praise of china, but it is a thought, that, if The Chinese want to become a real free and prospers nation, the need to come out of that system. Again, I don’t focus on the politics, but it is also sad at the same time. So anyone who says America will be challenged by china is wrong, because those economy number and percentage of world defense can’t mean anything when the people are living like that, and for them, I am truly sympathetic.

This series is on pbs and this is only a couple of previews, but I would want anyone who thinks they are going to be challenged later in life, watch this, because if you live in America, Europe on anywhere with a stable society, be happy, because your county will never be so outwardly powerful, but so innerly strained.

http://www.pbs.org/kqed/chinainside/index.html

Let’s re-educated you on the basics of China.

Firstly, America is hardly going to portray China as a future superpower especially since it is population is booming and I believe its GDP is rising very quickly in comparison to the recession being felt in the US at the moment. China is a dictatorship in a sense, it likes to hold on to the Communist values that have shaped the nation since the 1950’s but it is Capitalist in outlook. The state does not share money among the people like that of the USSR in the Commune schemes of Stalin’s era. The amount of investment into industry in China is phenomenal; it’s just flying on the crest of a wave of money and will continue to do so.

America is of course frightened by what they see, they have always been protective of their trade (hence Pearl Harbour and their involvement in WW2) and would like to see it remain in a similar shape to that of post-WW2. China has its fair share of problems. But if your stupid enough to claim that just because people are living in the dirt in China they cant ever become a superpower, a ‘free, prosperous nation’ so closely guarded by western democracy’s then on your head be it. Let me illustrate a superpower which had a huge problem with the poor and killed millions in the process of becoming a superpower; Russia. Stalin killed close to 20 million kulaks in his rush to become a developed and forward looking Communist state. There was starvation, there was povery but Russia was termed a ‘superpower’ and also scared the shit out of the US by standing up to them where other cowered in their corners, sitting on their comfortable Capitalist seats.

I read this to be a thread that tries to make us pity the Chinese. I don’t pity people who are hard working and have a nation which is growing faster than any in the west ever did. This nation deserves a respect that capitalist states are unwilling to give it. I don’t condone communism, in fact I’m probably a capitalist through and through. What annoys me is you watch one program, probably very doctrined to suit the audience and you suddenly this we should pity China and ‘clearly it will never challenge the US’. Firstly your arrogant and secondly you have no idea what determination is. China will become a superpower, they are becoming the centre of world industry and developing into a strong and ‘capitalist’ nation. Remember, capitalism isn’t perfect either; the rich will get richer and the poor will remain poor.

Also do you remember the last time anyone did a program on the suffering of the poor ethnic under-classes of the US?

Please just think before your write.

dark110 wrote:

none of you obviously watched the video

I didnt watch the video because I thought what you gleened from it was rubbish. So it really wasnt worth watching.

China will for sure become a global superpower

the question is, how long will it last?
Because china has so many people they have a unique ability to section their population apart, and because of the seperate languages spoken in different parts of china it is easier to police ie a soldier from part A and part B has no qualms about killing someone from Part C, while someone from part C and B has no problems with killing someone from part A.  It would be much much more difficult for the people to overthrow china's government than it was for them to overturn USSR. 

China will collapse most likely within a hundred years or so, unless war destroys them first.