God bless him but he jumped on a grenade?
Coulda just thrown it back but I guess it wouldnt make much difference
Coulda just thrown it back but I guess it wouldnt make much difference
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I could not agree more.Bubbalo wrote:
Wow. You accuse me of having respect for those fighting the wars, yet you shamelessly attempt to tie George Bush to this man's act. You attempt to glorify a man who's never seen combat, through associating him with a man whom he's never met, who may have disagreed with everything he said. I'd comment further, but I suspect it would just fall on deaf ears.
This is not a connection. I could draw this kind of relationship between any two things on the planet.Parker wrote:
the medal of honor was awarded at the white house....im not sure if your aware of this or not, but that is where george bush lives, eats, sleeps etc.
second it his JOB as CINC of the united states armed forces to hand out those medals.
ATG decided to make a point while honoring a hero.
i think you tried that once................
This was a blatant Pathos Push by the poster, and it's kinda wrong. Bush is a smoldering shitfuck. That soldier who won the medal of honor is a hero.
You fucker, you think muhhamid atta is a hero; eat my shorts you prick.Bubbalo wrote:
So? He presented a medal. Big whoop. ATG is using that to justify his waging a war. The discrepency between the title and the content of the first post is evidence enough.
And no, I have never made a point whilst honouring heroes. At best, I was honouring heroes to make a point, assuming you took what I said seriously.
George Bush is doing the political equivilant of throwing himself on a hand grenade.
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Seeing how you've been there, done that?Bubbalo wrote:
Wow. You accuse me of having respect for those fighting the wars, yet you shamelessly attempt to tie George Bush to this man's act. You attempt to glorify a man who's never seen combat, through associating him with a man whom he's never met, who may have disagreed with everything he said. I'd comment further, but I suspect it would just fall on deaf ears.
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
Try not to belittle what he did. You have to realize that today, we live in a society that sees less and less geniune courage and honor.Monkeyman911 wrote:
God bless him but he jumped on a grenade?
Coulda just thrown it back but I guess it wouldnt make much difference
not quite sure what two seperate events that the media has tricked me about.....but then again im just a stupid american, lol.Bubbalo wrote:
I whether there were people who were actually dumb enough to believe some of the obvious deceptions by the media. Now, I wonder no more. Congratulations Parker, you have proven that there are people dumb enough to connect two unrelated events because they were mentioned in the same sentence. I salute you.
you know, posts like your response are the reason i dont take you seriously.
you didnt like my response, and had none of your own. i thought we were done with the whole personal attack thing with you but i am of course mistaken.
ill say it again, we dont need to justify our actions to anyone, except our OWN countrymen.
if only you could change the world.....................
And you think he deserves praise for this? All he's doing is coping whilst his own idiotic decisions catch up with him. It was always going to happen.ATG wrote:
George Bush is doing the political equivilant of throwing himself on a hand grenade.
How can you believe that? What about when your actions effect the rest of the world as happens almost all of the time. America is the most powerful nation in the world, it's actions do effect everyone else, especially when it declares war or sanctions on other countries.Parker wrote:
ill say it again, we dont need to justify our actions to anyone, except our OWN countrymen.
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Maybe he does. It takes courage to stick to your beliefs swimming in a sea on yattering naybobs.Ty wrote:
And you think he deserves praise for this? All he's doing is coping whilst his own idiotic decisions catch up with him. It was always going to happen.ATG wrote:
George Bush is doing the political equivilant of throwing himself on a hand grenade.How can you believe that? What about when your actions effect the rest of the world as happens almost all of the time. America is the most powerful nation in the world, it's actions do effect everyone else, especially when it declares war or sanctions on other countries.Parker wrote:
ill say it again, we dont need to justify our actions to anyone, except our OWN countrymen.
Besides, major world events are seldom judged fairly in the time they happen.
History will decide.
I support our being in Iraq and still believe in the premise of the mission.
I guess I could explain it again if its needed.
placing politics aside, that Marine is one brave soldier.
More fodder for the Westboro Baptists.
Except they trash their own reservations.stryyker wrote:
I'm digging the courtesy single tear by Bush there. Reminds me of those old anti-littering commercials with the Indian.
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Well what can he do? Deny them?ATG wrote:
Maybe he does. It takes courage to stick to your beliefs swimming in a sea on yattering naybobs.Ty wrote:
And you think he deserves praise for this? All he's doing is coping whilst his own idiotic decisions catch up with him. It was always going to happen.ATG wrote:
George Bush is doing the political equivilant of throwing himself on a hand grenade.
Besides, major world events are seldom judged fairly in the time they happen.
History will decide.
I support our being in Iraq and still believe in the premise of the mission.
I'll admit, not sticking to your beliefs when a politician is possibly the worst way to bellyflop. Saying "uh, no I didn't believe/do that" when in the position of US President is stupid because it is incredibly easy to bring out old press releases to prove the flip-flop. George cannot deny his beliefs - thankfully he is not dumb enough to do that - but praise his courage for continuing to say what he always has said? That's not deserving of praise! You can't be wrong, admit to being wrong and somehow that will make everthing right. He's still wrong, and in George's case, wrong enough to lead to the deaths of thousands of people.
It dosn't take courage to do what he's doing anyway. As I previously put, he's coping. He's like a kid with stage fright being thrust into the spotlight, only he put himself in this position, his ONLY option is to just ride it out.
Your second point interests me, and it wil be fun to find out how history sees George Walker Bush. He'll be an enigma no doubt. Some of his decisions have just really come out of the left field, who would of thought that his eventual move after being attacked by Saudi Arabian terrorists hiding in Afghanistan would be to invade Iraq? I didn't see that one coming!
Your last point is true - the ideals of the mission were great! Remove threat of possible WMDs, get rid of oppressive regiem, free the Iraqis, introduce free elections and democracy, destroy terror! Woo-hoo, Operation Iraqi Freedom go!
The Operation unfortunatly had it's flaws:
- Controvertial start, (UN, no evidence of WMDs etc.)
- No terms of victory, (or defeat.)
- No clear aim after the 'doable', (WMDs, Saddam,) were accomplished.
- No exit plan.
I feel for the soldiers fighting. It must be confusing, Hell it confuses me. Thankfully the troops show their true Jingoistic sides and do what their country tells them to do, which I greatly admire.
"Ours is not to reason why, ours is to do or die."
Still, the fact that there is no end in sight for them must be hard.
The original idea was definatly great. Reminds me of Jurassic Park. Great idea, brilliant idea, but once one key thing failed, (be it electric fences or the fact that groups of Iraqis didn't seem to want liberation,) and when it broke out of the pen things started getting messy. When that happens all you can do is survive, which is all George is doing now. Respect? Praise? No, I think in this case pity is the more fitting term for him and those effected by his poor planning and leadership.
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The democrats have been in power for 12 days ATG. The war in Iraq debacle is entirely the fault of the inept Republican party and George W. Bush.ATG wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/photo/070111/ids_photos_ts/r3828336413.jpg
President Bush is virtually alone.
He sees himself as like Winston Churchill in 1932. He was telling the whole world that Adolf Hitler was a threat to the entire world and he had to be dealt with. That is what Bush is doing now.
Many apparent fumbling in the Iraq situation attributed to Bush are actually situations brought about by internal politics here in America. See, the democrats are willing to have the United States suffer a military defeat in the Middle East as long as it can be laid at the feet of the current president.
I will never forgive them for this.
My issues with Bush have to do with border policy, for the most part.
I have raged because we are doing nothing, or so it seems. But maybe, we are doing all that can be done, what with the gaggle of idiots in Washington, aka the loyal democratic party, loyal that is to nothing but opposition.
Empty headed fools.
Last edited by CameronPoe (2007-01-12 02:08:56)
Good job, Marine.ATG wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/photo/070111/ids_photos_ts/r3828336413.jpg
President Bush is virtually alone.
He sees himself as like Winston Churchill in 1932. He was telling the whole world that Adolf Hitler was a threat to the entire world and he had to be dealt with. That is what Bush is doing now.
Many apparent fumbling in the Iraq situation attributed to Bush are actually situations brought about by internal politics here in America. See, the democrats are willing to have the United States suffer a military defeat in the Middle East as long as it can be laid at the feet of the current president.
I will never forgive them for this.
My issues with Bush have to do with border policy, for the most part.
I have raged because we are doing nothing, or so it seems. But maybe, we are doing all that can be done, what with the gaggle of idiots in Washington, aka the loyal democratic party, loyal that is to nothing but opposition.
Empty headed fools.
This is not the place for ranting at Dubya. here's enough threads out there for that kind of shit. Leave this thread as praise for the heroic actions of one soldier.
Agreed,aardfrith wrote:
Good job, Marine.ATG wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/photo/070111/ids_photos_ts/r3828336413.jpg
President Bush is virtually alone.
He sees himself as like Winston Churchill in 1932. He was telling the whole world that Adolf Hitler was a threat to the entire world and he had to be dealt with. That is what Bush is doing now.
Many apparent fumbling in the Iraq situation attributed to Bush are actually situations brought about by internal politics here in America. See, the democrats are willing to have the United States suffer a military defeat in the Middle East as long as it can be laid at the feet of the current president.
I will never forgive them for this.
My issues with Bush have to do with border policy, for the most part.
I have raged because we are doing nothing, or so it seems. But maybe, we are doing all that can be done, what with the gaggle of idiots in Washington, aka the loyal democratic party, loyal that is to nothing but opposition.
Empty headed fools.
This is not the place for ranting at Dubya. here's enough threads out there for that kind of shit. Leave this thread as praise for the heroic actions of one soldier.
Using this guy for a political argument is rather tasteless.
RIP
If you want to just praise this bloke start your own thread. This thread was about Bush from the start, honestly I think the title is a bit misleading.aardfrith wrote:
Good job, Marine.
This is not the place for ranting at Dubya. here's enough threads out there for that kind of shit. Leave this thread as praise for the heroic actions of one soldier.
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Can you not see through the fact that this is yet another politically slanted ATG obituary. Why mention GW Bush at all in the OP? Bring politics in - expect me in your thread, I'm sorry. Make a politics-free obiturary and I'll simply post 'RIP'.aardfrith wrote:
Good job, Marine.ATG wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/photo/070111/ids_photos_ts/r3828336413.jpg
President Bush is virtually alone.
He sees himself as like Winston Churchill in 1932. He was telling the whole world that Adolf Hitler was a threat to the entire world and he had to be dealt with. That is what Bush is doing now.
Many apparent fumbling in the Iraq situation attributed to Bush are actually situations brought about by internal politics here in America. See, the democrats are willing to have the United States suffer a military defeat in the Middle East as long as it can be laid at the feet of the current president.
I will never forgive them for this.
My issues with Bush have to do with border policy, for the most part.
I have raged because we are doing nothing, or so it seems. But maybe, we are doing all that can be done, what with the gaggle of idiots in Washington, aka the loyal democratic party, loyal that is to nothing but opposition.
Empty headed fools.
This is not the place for ranting at Dubya. here's enough threads out there for that kind of shit. Leave this thread as praise for the heroic actions of one soldier.
ATG has made a few of these - I'm beginning to wonder whether he actually genuinely feels any sympathy for these fallen or whether he just wants to use them to score political points.
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What´s that thread about? About a heroic man, who gave his life for his fellow men?ATG wrote:
Many apparent fumbling in the Iraq situation attributed to Bush are actually situations brought about by internal politics here in America. See, the democrats are willing to have the United States suffer a military defeat in the Middle East as long as it can be laid at the feet of the current president.
Or is it about a psychopath-president who starts a war without a reason and without a strategy?
you are the empty headed! who gave order to attack? so WHO IS RESPONSIBLE? How weird thoughts you must have to blame the opposition for the governments failures!?
QFT. thanks for improving the thread with your intelligent posts.Ty wrote:
Well what can he do? Deny them?ATG wrote:
Maybe he does. It takes courage to stick to your beliefs swimming in a sea on yattering naybobs.Ty wrote:
And you think he deserves praise for this? All he's doing is coping whilst his own idiotic decisions catch up with him. It was always going to happen.
Besides, major world events are seldom judged fairly in the time they happen.
History will decide.
I support our being in Iraq and still believe in the premise of the mission.
I'll admit, not sticking to your beliefs when a politician is possibly the worst way to bellyflop. Saying "uh, no I didn't believe/do that" when in the position of US President is stupid because it is incredibly easy to bring out old press releases to prove the flip-flop. George cannot deny his beliefs - thankfully he is not dumb enough to do that - but praise his courage for continuing to say what he always has said? That's not deserving of praise! You can't be wrong, admit to being wrong and somehow that will make everthing right. He's still wrong, and in George's case, wrong enough to lead to the deaths of thousands of people.
It dosn't take courage to do what he's doing anyway. As I previously put, he's coping. He's like a kid with stage fright being thrust into the spotlight, only he put himself in this position, his ONLY option is to just ride it out.
Your second point interests me, and it wil be fun to find out how history sees George Walker Bush. He'll be an enigma no doubt. Some of his decisions have just really come out of the left field, who would of thought that his eventual move after being attacked by Saudi Arabian terrorists hiding in Afghanistan would be to invade Iraq? I didn't see that one coming!
Your last point is true - the ideals of the mission were great! Remove threat of possible WMDs, get rid of oppressive regiem, free the Iraqis, introduce free elections and democracy, destroy terror! Woo-hoo, Operation Iraqi Freedom go!
The Operation unfortunatly had it's flaws:
- Controvertial start, (UN, no evidence of WMDs etc.)
- No terms of victory, (or defeat.)
- No clear aim after the 'doable', (WMDs, Saddam,) were accomplished.
- No exit plan.
I feel for the soldiers fighting. It must be confusing, Hell it confuses me. Thankfully the troops show their true Jingoistic sides and do what their country tells them to do, which I greatly admire.
"Ours is not to reason why, ours is to do or die."
Still, the fact that there is no end in sight for them must be hard.
The original idea was definatly great. Reminds me of Jurassic Park. Great idea, brilliant idea, but once one key thing failed, (be it electric fences or the fact that groups of Iraqis didn't seem to want liberation,) and when it broke out of the pen things started getting messy. When that happens all you can do is survive, which is all George is doing now. Respect? Praise? No, I think in this case pity is the more fitting term for him and those effected by his poor planning and leadership.
Let me simplify all of this:
Marine Cpl. Jason Dunham jumps on a grenade to save people he cares about. Its the kind of heroism that makes anybnody shudder.
George W. Bush exploits this heroism to dodge (yet another) political grenade. Nothing honorable about that.
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ATG is lucky to have computer game forums where he can spout his BS to all the people that don't know, and don't care, about facts. If he actually thought there was any credence to all of the ideas he imposes upon us, he would post them in a forum where these debates are done some amount of justice. Instead he posts his ridiculous ideas on BF2s where there are fewer people motivated to completely tear the arguments to shreds.
He will end this thread with an extremely large semi-coherent post that nobody has the energy to actually reply to point-by-point and that mostly rehashes things that have already been shot down.
Just know that the vast majority of us are ignoring you by now.
lol! comparing bush to churchill! adventurous historical comparison!ATG wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/photo/070111/ids_photos_ts/r3828336413.jpg
President Bush is virtually alone.
He sees himself as like Winston Churchill in 1932. He was telling the whole world that Adolf Hitler was a threat to the entire world and he had to be dealt with. That is what Bush is doing now.
Many apparent fumbling in the Iraq situation attributed to Bush are actually situations brought about by internal politics here in America. See, the democrats are willing to have the United States suffer a military defeat in the Middle East as long as it can be laid at the feet of the current president.
I will never forgive them for this.
My issues with Bush have to do with border policy, for the most part.
I have raged because we are doing nothing, or so it seems. But maybe, we are doing all that can be done, what with the gaggle of idiots in Washington, aka the loyal democratic party, loyal that is to nothing but opposition.
Empty headed fools.
life in the usa would be safer WITHOUT the invasion in iraq.rmilhous wrote:
Most people do not take the time to thank guys like you.usmarine2007 wrote:
Afghan and IraqATG wrote:
I believe he was thinking about the men under his command.
Not everyone in war makes the bonds of brotherhood the writers talk about.
GW1 & GW2 Marine?
Props my brotha.
Thank you for what?
Your courage to defend the blessings of life and liberty here in the United States. Don't know you, never met you, but because you put YOUR life at risk for the call of duty, I SALUTE YOU. I was too much of a pussy to ever join the Armed Forces, so I stuck to school. I am in graduate school right now with 21 more months to go. When I am finally done, people will refer to me as a Doctor. However, that is a title that will NEVER hold a candle to the fact that someone once called you a SOLDIER.
So please, Marine2007, accept this short prose as the deepest and sincerest thanks that the world may or may not have ever given you. We owe it to you, I owe it too you. And most of all, thank you for defending my freedom. Without guys like you, while there are many but few, I would never have gotten the chance to go to school in the first place. I toast my glass to you, as well as the many, many others serving this beautiful country.
GOD BLESS YOU!!
:NBS:rmilhous
i'm not a pacifist. i think the war in afghanistan might be justified. but the usa gave the terrorists a stronghold and a recruiting place by invading iraq
It would fall on deaf ears. . . .Bubbalo wrote:
Wow. You accuse me of having respect for those fighting the wars, yet you shamelessly attempt to tie George Bush to this man's act. You attempt to glorify a man who's never seen combat, through associating him with a man whom he's never met, who may have disagreed with everything he said. I'd comment further, but I suspect it would just fall on deaf ears.
What was the shameless Bush plug???? Bush is at it alone! Everyone fails to realize that the homeland hasnt been attacked since 9/11! We have to fight abroad to ensure that we stay safe at home.
Or we could do it the democrat way. . . and wait till we get attacked at home first, then get permission from the UN, and then launch a half assed attack. . . . see Robert Frost quote in sig!
RIP to that hero in the Marine Corps!
I do hope you aren't trying to link the War In Iraq to 11/9.......fadedsteve wrote:
What was the shameless Bush plug???? Bush is at it alone! Everyone fails to realize that the homeland hasnt been attacked since 9/11! We have to fight abroad to ensure that we stay safe at home.
he tried... same dumb shit like comparing g.w.b. with this hero marine.
there is NO link between iraq and 9/11 at all. wait.. there is at least one... muslims...
there is NO link between iraq and 9/11 at all. wait.. there is at least one... muslims...
Shame on you Usmarine. You know damn well its what he wasnt thinking of, himself. Heroes like that are born, not tought. A marine such as yourself is no different than him. You just need a grenade to be thrown at you because if you are a true Marine it is in your blood. Dont forget they didnt choose us, we chose them. Semper Fi Devil Dog. RIP Corporal Dunham.usmarine2007 wrote:
Having survived two wars, I cannot imagine what was going thru his mind when he jumped on a grenade.
Malloy must go
What a load of crap.fadedsteve wrote:
We have to fight abroad to ensure that we stay safe at home.
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