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What would you call the Wolverines in Red Dawn?
lowing
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CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

From what I gather reading on these forums, the average EU citizen does not hold the US in any better a light than the EU leaders do. Am I wrong?
But that has nothing to do with economic matters.
The EU citizens will listen to what they are told......Hitler anyone?
lowing
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Pubic wrote:

What would you call the Wolverines in Red Dawn?
ummmmmm,..................................... actors????
Fredrik
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[F7F7]KiNG_KaDaFFHi wrote:

Just because many non-christian nations don´t have coca-cola,McDonalds,KFC,pizza hut and the rest of all "privilliges" from the west they are not retarded.

Many of theese nations has been the place for many wars and conflicts (crusades,forming of new states,blockades,dirty politics and soo on ) that they did not choose themselves, more "civilized" nations has brought them there....many has been colonies and moore or less robbed blank by more "civilized" nations....no wonder some of them have some cathing up to do in some places.

Many "civilized" nations doesn´t have any interest in the evolution of theese less happy nations since they would loose from it themselves.
Amen to that buddy, that must be the most insightful post in this whole thred
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lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

From what I gather reading on these forums, the average EU citizen does not hold the US in any better a light than the EU leaders do. Am I wrong?
But that has nothing to do with economic matters.
The EU citizens will listen to what they are told......Hitler anyone?
Yeah - the British are right behind Blair every step of the way. lol
lowing
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CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

But that has nothing to do with economic matters.
The EU citizens will listen to what they are told......Hitler anyone?
Yeah - the British are right behind Blair every step of the way. lol
GB has always been in defience of main land Europe. No surprise there. GB is also the only country in the EU that has not been conquered by, surrendered to, or appeased a hostile force.

So really, I don't count GB as part of the EU,  not yet. Unless GB gave up the pound for the Euro already. I dunno did they??


Either way, I hold GB with the utmost respect regardless of how they feel about the US now.

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CameronPoe
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lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:


The EU citizens will listen to what they are told......Hitler anyone?
Yeah - the British are right behind Blair every step of the way. lol
GB has always been in defience of main land Europe. No surprise there. GB is also the only country in the EU that has not been conquered by, surrendered to, or appeased a hostile force.

So really, I don't count GB as part of the EU,  not yet. Unless GB gave up the pound for the Euro already. I dunno did they??
No, they still have the pound, just as Sweden and a couple of other nations retained their currencies. But it's funny that the population of England openly despise Blair. Not exactly a model of democratic perfection.
lowing
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CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:


Yeah - the British are right behind Blair every step of the way. lol
GB has always been in defiance of main land Europe. No surprise there. GB is also the only country in the EU that has not been conquered by, surrendered to, or appeased a hostile force.

So really, I don't count GB as part of the EU,  not yet. Unless GB gave up the pound for the Euro already. I dunno did they??
No, they still have the pound, just as Sweden and a couple of other nations retained their currencies. But it's funny that the population of England openly despise Blair. Not exactly a model of democratic perfection.
After the London bombings........Why? Why do they hate him so much? With the GB's defiant attitude toward outside forces I would think they would embrace this fight.
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lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:


GB has always been in defiance of main land Europe. No surprise there. GB is also the only country in the EU that has not been conquered by, surrendered to, or appeased a hostile force.

So really, I don't count GB as part of the EU,  not yet. Unless GB gave up the pound for the Euro already. I dunno did they??
No, they still have the pound, just as Sweden and a couple of other nations retained their currencies. But it's funny that the population of England openly despise Blair. Not exactly a model of democratic perfection.
After the London bombings........Why? Why do they hate him so much? With the GB's defiant attitude toward outside forces I would think they would embrace this fight.
Because they blame him for inducing the bombing. Prior to Britain's involvement in Iraq there had never been an Islamist attack on the UK. The attack was carried out by people born and bred in Britain, UK citizens, who stated that their attack was a direct response to the UK involvement in Iraq - not some desire for a gigantic caliphate. Basically they view Blair's decision to side with USA rather than Europe as painting a giant crosshair on England and shouting 'Come bomb us, Islamists'.
lowing
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CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:


No, they still have the pound, just as Sweden and a couple of other nations retained their currencies. But it's funny that the population of England openly despise Blair. Not exactly a model of democratic perfection.
After the London bombings........Why? Why do they hate him so much? With the GB's defiant attitude toward outside forces I would think they would embrace this fight.
Because they blame him for inducing the bombing. Prior to Britain's involvement in Iraq there had never been an Islamist attack on the UK. The attack was carried out by people born and bred in Britain, UK citizens, who stated that their attack was a direct response to the UK involvement in Iraq - not some desire for a gigantic caliphate. Basically they view Blair's decision to side with USA rather than Europe as painting a giant crosshair on England and shouting 'Come bomb us, Islamists'.
great, so they blame blair for the bombings and NOT the terrorists..........oh well, might as well blame water for getting wet.
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lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

After the London bombings........Why? Why do they hate him so much? With the GB's defiant attitude toward outside forces I would think they would embrace this fight.
Because they blame him for inducing the bombing. Prior to Britain's involvement in Iraq there had never been an Islamist attack on the UK. The attack was carried out by people born and bred in Britain, UK citizens, who stated that their attack was a direct response to the UK involvement in Iraq - not some desire for a gigantic caliphate. Basically they view Blair's decision to side with USA rather than Europe as painting a giant crosshair on England and shouting 'Come bomb us, Islamists'.
great, so they blame blair for the bombings and NOT the terrorists..........oh well, might as well blame water for getting wet.
Well the fact of the matter was that Blair went against the express will of the people to go to war against Iraq. The Brits were OK about Afghanistan but they didn't agree with Iraq at all, with the largest open air demonstrations on record in London prior to the war. They saw the Iraq war as unjust. So the 7/7 attacks were, if you like, directly attributable to Blair in their eyes.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2007-01-07 07:20:27)

lowing
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CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:


Because they blame him for inducing the bombing. Prior to Britain's involvement in Iraq there had never been an Islamist attack on the UK. The attack was carried out by people born and bred in Britain, UK citizens, who stated that their attack was a direct response to the UK involvement in Iraq - not some desire for a gigantic caliphate. Basically they view Blair's decision to side with USA rather than Europe as painting a giant crosshair on England and shouting 'Come bomb us, Islamists'.
great, so they blame Blair for the bombings and NOT the terrorists..........oh well, might as well blame water for getting wet.
Well the fact of the matter was that Blair went against the express will of the people to go to war against Iraq. The Brits were OK about Afghanistan but they didn't agree with Iraq at all, with the largest open air demonstrations on record in London prior to the war. They saw the Iraq war as unjust. So the 7/7 attacks were, if you like, directly attributable to Blair in their eyes.
I understand that, but really, we gotta start putting the blame where it really goes, on those that commit these acts. By blaming Blair and not the terrorists they are in essence "understanding" and "rationalizing" these acts. There must be an attitude of complete and utter condemnation of these acts as deplorable regardless of motive, if we are to gain any headway in this struggle. How great it must feel to be a terrorist that can blow up innocent people and have everyone get mad at, and blame somebody else for it.
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lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

great, so they blame Blair for the bombings and NOT the terrorists..........oh well, might as well blame water for getting wet.
Well the fact of the matter was that Blair went against the express will of the people to go to war against Iraq. The Brits were OK about Afghanistan but they didn't agree with Iraq at all, with the largest open air demonstrations on record in London prior to the war. They saw the Iraq war as unjust. So the 7/7 attacks were, if you like, directly attributable to Blair in their eyes.
I understand that, but really, we gotta start putting the blame where it really goes, on those that commit these acts. By blaming Blair and not the terrorists they are in essence "understanding" and "rationalizing" these acts. There must be an attitude of complete and utter condemnation of these acts as deplorable regardless of motive, if we are to gain any headway in this struggle. How great it must feel to be a terrorist that can blow up innocent people and have everyone get mad at, and blame somebody else for it.
Of course the people of Britain found the act itself and the perpetrators of it deplorable but the fact of the matter is, 7/7 or not, Britons always viewed the Iraq war as illegitimate and that Tony Blair, their elected leader, was going against their express wishes. 7/7 didn't change their opinion on Iraq that much.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2007-01-07 07:53:30)

Tjasso
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Terrorists, Infidels, Insurgents... hmmm i wonder which forum member would fit where ??

im an Infidel ! sorry Lucky im not a Terrorist !!... I would be Insurgent in my country if it where under siege

or invaded by a foreign country ...  LEAVE US IN PEACE ... NOT PIECES

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