BF2S Forums No more homelessness?

lowing wrote:

apollo_fi wrote:

lowing wrote:

The govt. doesn't build ghettos. the people that inhabit those buildings and homes do. They do this by 2 methods. By their actions in that neighborhood, or their IN-action in that neighborhood.

I completely agree, it is the inhabitants that make or break a neighbourhood.

I would argue, though, that if you stick 10000 desperate people into one single housing project, you get one desperate neighbourhood. A ghetto.

How do you avoid creating ghettos, or places where desperation reaches a critical mass? Through urban planning.

you can not make urban planning, cities are too fluid. Everything changes all the time. One investor can move into a run down neighborhood and revitalize it. This makes the prices go through the roof, and all of a sudden lower class people can't afford to live there anymore. They then move farther out into the suburbs, with all of their bullshit,  bringing down those property values. Then those people move.

People, are the ghettos, and they take the ghettos with them wherever they move. Memphis is a perfect example. Once nice neighborhoods with big ass homes, now sell for 80k with bars on the windows.


The people I am talking about can never be helped. There is never enough you can do for them. Whatever you do, in their eyes, is not enough because they think their lives still suck. Whatever you give them will get squandered and they will hold their hands out yet again, complaining the whole time how they are being kept down. Never taking responsibility for the fact that they are their own worst enemy.

apollo_fi wrote:

lowing wrote:

apollo_fi wrote:

I completely agree, it is the inhabitants that make or break a neighbourhood.

I would argue, though, that if you stick 10000 desperate people into one single housing project, you get one desperate neighbourhood. A ghetto.

How do you avoid creating ghettos, or places where desperation reaches a critical mass? Through urban planning.

you can not make urban planning, cities are too fluid. Everything changes all the time. One investor can move into a run down neighborhood and revitalize it. This makes the prices go through the roof, and all of a sudden lower class people can't afford to live there anymore. They then move farther out into the suburbs, with all of their bullshit,  bringing down those property values. Then those people move.

People, are the ghettos, and they take the ghettos with them wherever they move. Memphis is a perfect example. Once nice neighborhoods with big ass homes, now sell for 80k with bars on the windows.


The people I am talking about can never be helped. There is never enough you can do for them. Whatever you do, in their eyes, is not enough because they think their lives still suck. Whatever you give them will get squandered and they will hold their hands out yet again, complaining the whole time how they are being kept down. Never taking responsibility for the fact that they are their own worst enemy.

You're basically saying that 'ghetto' is not a place but a behaviour pattern.

I don't find much fault with that point of view. And I suspect we both agree that the more people can break the 'ghetto' behaviour pattern, the better. What's wrong with giving as much support as possible to those afflicted with this problem?

Granted, there are those who will not break out no matter how much help they get. Then there are those who will break out, with or without help.

Would you agree that there are those who can break the 'ghetto' behaviour pattern, but need outside help to do it?