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I think it is a good idea but do you think that the normal things that low income housing usually bring will be even more out of control? ie, drugs, excessive alcoholism, crime, theft, etc. And also, is there a fiscal contingency plan set in place for additional police and other necessary emergency services? If there is and it all balances out then good for them.

lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

From my friends at Fox News:

Fox News wrote:

The French government intends to make housing a legal right — just like health care and education. Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin says homeless people, poor workers and isolated women with children should have a legal right to housing by the end of next year. And he wants to extend that right to people in inadequate public housing in the year 2012.

No more homelessness! Europe just gets better and better...

Yet another example of why you shouldn't have to WORK for anything when SOMEBODY out there will give it to you.


We kinda have a program like this in the US................It is called get fuckin' educated, make yourself marketable then get a fuckin' job and EARN your quality of life.


For the benifit of our LIBERAL readers. I don't want you in the dark here.

EARN ( from dictionary.com)

earn1     /ɜrn/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[urn] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–verb (used with object) 1. to gain or get in return for one's labor or service: to earn one's living. 
2. to merit as compensation, as for service; deserve: to receive more than one has earned. 
3. to acquire through merit: to earn a reputation for honesty. 
4. to gain as due return or profit: Savings accounts earn interest. 
5. to bring about or cause deservedly: His fair dealing earned our confidence. 
–verb (used without object) 6. to gain income: securities that earn on a quarterly basis. 


I know what the problem is here now. EARN is a verb. and a verb denotes ACTION. Which could be where the liberals are getting confused.

fuck why do people lump "liberals" into this group and "conservatives" into that group.  That is why government can never work like it is supposed to.

From now on, I'm independent.

but I agree lowing.  It'll just create the ability for 'low lifes' to feed off the government that much more, as bad as it sounds.

rawls2 wrote:

How does a protest hurt you? Better to protest then to sneak in and fly a jumbo jet into 3000 people. Open your eyes folks and realize who your "real" allies are.

a protest doesn't hurt anyone, generally.  It's the fact that illegal immigration is really fucking annoying because our government doesn't do anything about it and then illegal immigrants come and rub it in our faces with a protest, yeah we're inclined to not like them very much.  I've talked with people who immigrated legally and are pissed as hell that these illegals can just prance into the country.

lowing wrote:

CommieChipmunk wrote:

lowing wrote:

Yet another example of why you shouldn't have to WORK for anything when SOMEBODY out there will give it to you.


We kinda have a program like this in the US................It is called get fuckin' educated, make yourself marketable then get a fuckin' job and EARN your quality of life.


For the benifit of our LIBERAL readers. I don't want you in the dark here.

EARN ( from dictionary.com)

earn1     /ɜrn/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[urn] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–verb (used with object) 1. to gain or get in return for one's labor or service: to earn one's living. 
2. to merit as compensation, as for service; deserve: to receive more than one has earned. 
3. to acquire through merit: to earn a reputation for honesty. 
4. to gain as due return or profit: Savings accounts earn interest. 
5. to bring about or cause deservedly: His fair dealing earned our confidence. 
–verb (used without object) 6. to gain income: securities that earn on a quarterly basis. 


I know what the problem is here now. EARN is a verb. and a verb denotes ACTION. Which could be where the liberals are getting confused.

fuck why do people lump "liberals" into this group and "conservatives" into that group.  That is why government can never work like it is supposed to.

From now on, I'm independent.

but I agree lowing.  It'll just create the ability for 'low lifes' to feed off the government that much more, as bad as it sounds.

rawls2 wrote:

How does a protest hurt you? Better to protest then to sneak in and fly a jumbo jet into 3000 people. Open your eyes folks and realize who your "real" allies are.

a protest doesn't hurt anyone, generally.  It's the fact that illegal immigration is really fucking annoying because our government doesn't do anything about it and then illegal immigrants come and rub it in our faces with a protest, yeah we're inclined to not like them very much.  I've talked with people who immigrated legally and are pissed as hell that these illegals can just prance into the country.

They are "lumped" that way because it is the socialist liberals that endorse the kind of free loading, govt. should take care of me bullshit mentality, that this OP reflects.

Because some people care about the wellbeing of their fellow citizens.  But the idea could work if it was properly regulated and handed out to families who actually needed it.  Not morons making meth.

Wow, awesome. I hope it works out. Wish my country did stuff like that.

The most sensible thing I've ever heard the French say. + 1 to the French (for once).

lowing wrote:

Homeschtar wrote:

Wow, awesome. I hope it works out. Wish my country did stuff like that.

If you expect the govt. to take care of you so you don't have to, you could always move to Europe.......................................please.

What say lowing, you get hit by a bus tomorrow and need 24 round the clock nurse care (she gets $40 0000 a year)  for say the next 50 years of your life. you have insurance to cover that? Not being funny , real question.

yep, obviously it explains my frequent use of the bf2s forums................and you too i presume.

Yeah I don't mind helping the less fortunate but it makes no sense at all to just give out houses to people who don't help themselves. This plan just sounds like "Don't want to work hard to get ahead in life or even at all? Then just let those who do give you a free ride."

deeznutz1245 wrote:

I think it is a good idea but do you think that the normal things that low income housing usually bring will be even more out of control? ie, drugs, excessive alcoholism, crime, theft, etc. And also, is there a fiscal contingency plan set in place for additional police and other necessary emergency services? If there is and it all balances out then good for them.

Good points.

One way to avoid building ghettoes is, well, not to build ghettoes. Housing should be mixed, i.e. government-subsidized housing within commercially developed areas.

apollo_fi wrote:

deeznutz1245 wrote:

I think it is a good idea but do you think that the normal things that low income housing usually bring will be even more out of control? ie, drugs, excessive alcoholism, crime, theft, etc. And also, is there a fiscal contingency plan set in place for additional police and other necessary emergency services? If there is and it all balances out then good for them.

Good points.

One way to avoid building ghettoes is, well, not to build ghettoes. Housing should be mixed, i.e. government-subsidized housing within commercially developed areas.

yeah we call them ghettos.......

The govt. doesn't build ghettos. the people that inhabit those buildings and homes do. They do this by 2 methods. By their actions in that neighborhood, or their IN-action in that neighborhood.

apollo_fi wrote:

lowing wrote:

The govt. doesn't build ghettos. the people that inhabit those buildings and homes do. They do this by 2 methods. By their actions in that neighborhood, or their IN-action in that neighborhood.

I completely agree, it is the inhabitants that make or break a neighbourhood.

I would argue, though, that if you stick 10000 desperate people into one single housing project, you get one desperate neighbourhood. A ghetto.

How do you avoid creating ghettos, or places where desperation reaches a critical mass? Through urban planning.

you can not make urban planning, cities are too fluid. Everything changes all the time. One investor can move into a run down neighborhood and revitalize it. This makes the prices go through the roof, and all of a sudden lower class people can't afford to live there anymore. They then move farther out into the suburbs, with all of their bullshit,  bringing down those property values. Then those people move.

People, are the ghettos, and they take the ghettos with them wherever they move. Memphis is a perfect example. Once nice neighborhoods with big ass homes, now sell for 80k with bars on the windows.


The people I am talking about can never be helped. There is never enough you can do for them. Whatever you do, in their eyes, is not enough because they think their lives still suck. Whatever you give them will get squandered and they will hold their hands out yet again, complaining the whole time how they are being kept down. Never taking responsibility for the fact that they are their own worst enemy.

Last edited by lowing (2007-01-06 06:31:41)

Janysc wrote:

They may not know how to fight a war properly, but they sure know their welfare.

unlike US, they deal with their own problems instead of exporting them

i wonder how they'll manage to give everyone a home?

JahManRed wrote:

lowing wrote:

JahManRed wrote:

yep, obviously it explains my frequent use of the bf2s forums................and you too i presume.

nope not me, I am married have 2 great RESPONSIBLE kids. Have an awesome job. Building my dream home. ( my third house). This Bf2 forum thing I admit is kinda addictive. I don't post anywhere else on the net. I have the exact personality that gets drawn into this shit. I love to debate.

Oh and I have worked hard to earn the privilege to sit on my ass and type on here during my free time.

You can have multiple properties and a good job in a socialist state.
Its comforting to know that if it all goes tits up and say i get injured and cant provide for my kids, that they will be still looked after.Even my house mortgage will get payed. I don't mind giving a few of my tax pounds to help the less fortunate out as i could be one, one day. Its prity much the same as being insured up the ass in America only the scroungers are the over payed CEO's who run insurance companies. I agree that people who milk the system need kicked into the cold, but for each one of those types there are 10 who need it.
I'm not prepared to give up on the socialist system over the actions of a few scroungers.

I don't have multiple properties, I understand how ya thought that though. My poor choice of wording. What I meant was I am building my 3rd home. Upgrading as I go. I only have one home. We are a middle to upper middle class family,

You can't avoid, in your posts saying, if "I get injured", if "I can't take care of my family", well guess what, those are the same conditions that I already stipulated. If you can not help yourself. Apparently we agree on that part. Now, lets move on to those that CHOOSE not to help themselves.

I do not think that the truly TRULY needy out number the leeches by 10-1. and I mean truly needy. That is to say. I do not count those that have 2 arms and 2 legs and sound mind as NEEDY. They are the lazy of whom I talk about.

It blows me away how I can look at a family on TV jumping up and down for joy running around high fiving each other laughing and crying, in perfect health, all of them, over the free home they just had built for them.

Why do I have to go out and EARN my way through life and not expect EVERYONE ELSE to do the same damn thing? I had to FIND A WAY to build my life. Now, I am supposed to subsidize someone else's life by building them a home so they don't have to earn one for themselves? Making it that much harder on me to maintain my quality of life.  How about this, I keep what EARN in life, and all able bodied individuals do the same?

Then I will help all those that can not help themselves. NOT being able to help yourself is not the same as NOT caring enough to.