Punish the wicked? How can there exist wicked "people" prior to the fall of man which was induced by non other than our friend Lucifer via a snake.|=-sL-.Cujucuyo. wrote:
Interesting but erroneous. God created Lucifer to punish the wicked, he created him in order to be a balance, this was of course before humanity was created, therefore a balance was created and free will could exist.Fen321 wrote:
Here i'll help you prove he doesn't, and by he i mean the Christian God.Stingray24 wrote:
correct. Only faith can support the belief that there is no God. It is impossible to prove He does not exist.
From a Christian view point you have a Deity which is all powerful, all knowing, present, future, past etc. So now here is the kicker. You have this all powerful being create angels one of which is Lucifer. This being is all knowing so he knows very well what this Lucifer is going to do. So here is the catch he willingly creates a being which will now bring about the "fall" of man. So now you have a situation where man is now fallen, imperfect and stuck in this world which he apparently isn't from. So what better way to send himself via incarnation to save them from that which he put them into. You have Jesus whom is now going to save you from that which he created. So essentially you would have no reason for Jesus to save mankind if he had not created Lucifer. So now we have a dilemma here, this perfect Deity, essentially, his left hand is Lucifer and his right had is Jesus, but the catch is we pretend he doesn't know what the left hand is doing and go along with the entire story.
Please explain why God created Lucifer.....and we pretend....that he doesn't know of all the supposed bad things he will do to mankind.
Its all an illusion, a good one at that, but it does not work too well when you have a perfect Deity creating the problems before they start especially since he knows the outcome of everything apparently.
You can't show mercy for something you began, not only that, but to think that God IS portrayed to be the likeness of HUMANS is the ultimate arrogance of this religion. Arrogance in the sense that some how the deity of the Cosmos is going to end up being in the likeness of Humans, which make up a insignificant fraction of not only our Galaxy, but of this Universe.
While you freely admit this balance that exist between the two, but you don't take it a step further and realize that Good is Evil and Evil is Good.....its all the same
Free will has nothing to do with a balance of good an evil, hence the relativism to good an evil and the need for one to be able to describe the other, how do you factor in free will into this?
I could assume you believe each choice is either "good" or "evil" thus allowing the illusory of choice since ultimately only "good" choices are acceptable, but then again due to relativism it kinda shoots that down the drain since you can't know the good acts without having the bad acts there to let you know they are good lol.