That's why Christianity is my faith. Even though the Jews rejected him and crucified him he sill chose to forgive them as he was dying.[UTQ]_Ausch88 wrote:
so you are Christian and you are ready to die for the safety of ISRAEL?
Did you know that the JEWS think that JESUS is a fake?
At least, the muslims recognize him as a prophet.
Anyway all religions are fucked up
A few things:[UTQ]_Ausch88 wrote:
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hehe you guys forget that you are living in Palestine right now because the world and mostly the USA and Britain gave you the land and the means to defend yourselves over there.. In all your history, you were unable to conquer et KEEP a land by yourself.
You have the most powerful country in the world as best ally.. the USA is supplying weapons and money to your country and they often put the well being of ISRAELIS well before the well being of the ordinary american citizen. remember the settlers they removed from gaza, AMERICA gave them a shitload of money just to move.
They are fighting wars for you and they are dying for your safety right now in IRAQ.. 3000+ dead and lets not forget the 3000+ dead on 911.. Larry $ilver$tein will never forget
And now we see you are crying for help because you feel that IRAN is threatning you and you wish that AMERICA will send more troops to deal with them...
you think that you are special because your god told you so.. you think that you deserve a special treatment because you think that you suffered in the past. Let me tell you that its NOTHING compare to what the natives here in AMERICA went tru... its NOTHING compare to what the russians endure during WW2. its NOTHING compare to what the christians endure during the roman empire.
The world is not a safe place..even for the "chosen people".. if you choose to steal the land of another people.. expect them to fight back.. unlike you, they do not expect the world to fight their wars for them. If you choose to not live by the rule and culture of the country you move to.. expect their citizen to hate you
Now im waiting for AMERICA to wake up.. im waiting for them to elect a president who will put AMERICA before ISRAEL.. when that day will come, you will know how its like to be alone.. like the palestinians are today.
How is the Iraq war related to Israel again?
How is Zionist - Arab violence related to the holocaust?
WOW - just WOW - never quote Osama Bin Laden or any other religious fanatic in a derogatory way again or the above will be what I'll post as a retort...rawls2 wrote:
America is awake. We WILL continue to support Israel. America is a Christian nation and we will the defend the land of our God.
Wow, I sound crazy....But it's the truth.
Holy shit. /rubs eyes
I'm sure that if I was bothered I could rustle up something Osama said that exactly fits what you just said. Humanity is fucked if this is the general consensus in America.
Last edited by CameronPoe (2007-01-03 10:17:13)
um lets see.. of course its only my opinion and its pretty far from the official "WMD, al-qaida link, liberation of the IRAQUIS people" version of the war in IRAQ.Pug wrote:
A few things:[UTQ]_Ausch88 wrote:
[
hehe you guys forget that you are living in Palestine right now because the world and mostly the USA and Britain gave you the land and the means to defend yourselves over there.. In all your history, you were unable to conquer et KEEP a land by yourself.
You have the most powerful country in the world as best ally.. the USA is supplying weapons and money to your country and they often put the well being of ISRAELIS well before the well being of the ordinary american citizen. remember the settlers they removed from gaza, AMERICA gave them a shitload of money just to move.
They are fighting wars for you and they are dying for your safety right now in IRAQ.. 3000+ dead and lets not forget the 3000+ dead on 911.. Larry $ilver$tein will never forget
And now we see you are crying for help because you feel that IRAN is threatning you and you wish that AMERICA will send more troops to deal with them...
you think that you are special because your god told you so.. you think that you deserve a special treatment because you think that you suffered in the past. Let me tell you that its NOTHING compare to what the natives here in AMERICA went tru... its NOTHING compare to what the russians endure during WW2. its NOTHING compare to what the christians endure during the roman empire.
The world is not a safe place..even for the "chosen people".. if you choose to steal the land of another people.. expect them to fight back.. unlike you, they do not expect the world to fight their wars for them. If you choose to not live by the rule and culture of the country you move to.. expect their citizen to hate you
Now im waiting for AMERICA to wake up.. im waiting for them to elect a president who will put AMERICA before ISRAEL.. when that day will come, you will know how its like to be alone.. like the palestinians are today.
How is the Iraq war related to Israel again?
How is Zionist - Arab violence related to the holocaust?
Most of the guys pushing for that war are "jewish" or lets use the word "zionist" because we all know that not all jews support ISRAEL.
We have Rumsfeld, Perle, Wolfowitz just to name a few..and we know that those guys love ISRAEL more than any states in the USA
We all know that there is no WMD in IRAQ and that Saddam was not dealing with Al Qaida. We all know that IRAQ NEVER ATTACKED THE USA OR ANY AMERICAN CITIZEN. in fact IRAQ was friend with AMERICA during the IRAN-IRAQ war.. the USA were supplying weapons to saddam. So why attack IRAQ if they hag nothing to do with 911, no link with ben laden, no aggression against any american troops or civilians.. they tried to tell us that it was because saddam had WMD, and after that it was to liberate the IRAQIS. all wrong.. the only thing we are sure is that saddam hated ISRAEL.. he was supporting the palestinians suicide bombers by giving money to their families.... so the zionist lobby in america decided to use the 911 tragedy to start to "pacify" the middle east.. remove the taliban, remove saddam.. and guess what is next ? yep remove Ahmadinejad.. why attack IRAN? because they want to have WMD.. or maybe it will be their link with al-qaida or just to free the poor iranian people.
funny heh?
so easy to manipulate a nation of 300 millions "educated" people.. just show them on TV and they will follow..
You do sound crazy indeed.rawls2 wrote:
America is awake. We WILL continue to support Israel. America is a Christian nation and we will the defend the land of our God.
Wow, I sound crazy....But it's the truth.
America is indeed a Christian nation, which I find appalling. Religion and politics should never be mixed, these sort of religious prejudices put the US almost (not quite, the US has sensible secular based legal systems and laws, but government policy being made with religion in mind is just as worrying whether it is the US or an Islamic state under Sharia law) on a par with Iran and other states based around religion.
Americas unwavering support for Zionism, does as you say, stem from the Christian mentality at the heart of the nation. For foreign policy to be so influenced by one religious group is absolutely sickening and quite scary, especially when you see the levels of religious delusion in the US.
Still waiting for the link between Iraq War & Israel, and looking for the link between Arab - Israeli violence and the holocaust. I haven't seen that anywhere besides from you.[UTQ]_Ausch88 wrote:
um lets see.. of course its only my opinion and its pretty far from the official "WMD, al-qaida link, liberation of the IRAQUIS people" version of the war in IRAQ.
Most of the guys pushing for that war are "jewish" or lets use the word "zionist" because we all know that not all jews support ISRAEL.
We have Rumsfeld, Perle, Wolfowitz just to name a few..and we know that those guys love ISRAEL more than any states in the USA
We all know that there is no WMD in IRAQ and that Saddam was not dealing with Al Qaida. We all know that IRAQ NEVER ATTACKED THE USA OR ANY AMERICAN CITIZEN. in fact IRAQ was friend with AMERICA during the IRAN-IRAQ war.. the USA were supplying weapons to saddam. So why attack IRAQ if they hag nothing to do with 911, no link with ben laden, no aggression against any american troops or civilians.. they tried to tell us that it was because saddam had WMD, and after that it was to liberate the IRAQIS. all wrong.. the only thing we are sure is that saddam hated ISRAEL.. he was supporting the palestinians suicide bombers by giving money to their families.... so the zionist lobby in america decided to use the 911 tragedy to start to "pacify" the middle east.. remove the taliban, remove saddam.. and guess what is next ? yep remove Ahmadinejad.. why attack IRAN? because they want to have WMD.. or maybe it will be their link with al-qaida or just to free the poor iranian people.
funny heh?
so easy to manipulate a nation of 300 millions "educated" people.. just show them on TV and they will follow..
of course i cannot prove anything i said.. its all speculation.. like WMD in IRAQ or the support given to al-qaida by saddam.. the only obvious thing is the fact that Rumsfeld pushed to bomb IRAQ instead of chasing ben laden in afghanistan..and we all know that the zionist lobby in the US are pro-war against any arab nation... what could be the reason to attack IRAQ? and what will be the reson to attack IRAN?Pug wrote:
Still waiting for the link between Iraq War & Israel, and looking for the link between Arab - Israeli violence and the holocaust. I haven't seen that anywhere besides from you.[UTQ]_Ausch88 wrote:
um lets see.. of course its only my opinion and its pretty far from the official "WMD, al-qaida link, liberation of the IRAQUIS people" version of the war in IRAQ.
Most of the guys pushing for that war are "jewish" or lets use the word "zionist" because we all know that not all jews support ISRAEL.
We have Rumsfeld, Perle, Wolfowitz just to name a few..and we know that those guys love ISRAEL more than any states in the USA
We all know that there is no WMD in IRAQ and that Saddam was not dealing with Al Qaida. We all know that IRAQ NEVER ATTACKED THE USA OR ANY AMERICAN CITIZEN. in fact IRAQ was friend with AMERICA during the IRAN-IRAQ war.. the USA were supplying weapons to saddam. So why attack IRAQ if they hag nothing to do with 911, no link with ben laden, no aggression against any american troops or civilians.. they tried to tell us that it was because saddam had WMD, and after that it was to liberate the IRAQIS. all wrong.. the only thing we are sure is that saddam hated ISRAEL.. he was supporting the palestinians suicide bombers by giving money to their families.... so the zionist lobby in america decided to use the 911 tragedy to start to "pacify" the middle east.. remove the taliban, remove saddam.. and guess what is next ? yep remove Ahmadinejad.. why attack IRAN? because they want to have WMD.. or maybe it will be their link with al-qaida or just to free the poor iranian people.
funny heh?
so easy to manipulate a nation of 300 millions "educated" people.. just show them on TV and they will follow..
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php? … cleId=4271
and in my opinion, the link between arab-israeli violence and the holocaust is the fact that ISRAEL was created mostly because of what happened to the jews during ww2 and ISRAEL existence is the principal cause of the violence between them.
No ISRAEL, no violence between jews and arabs..
No iSRAEL, probably still a lot of fighting between arabs and arabs but who cares?
You really should try looking up why the US is in Iraq. There are other reasons besides WMDs also, your speculation that the US used the Saddam/Al Qaeda link as a reason is absolutely false. You are reaching.[UTQ]_Ausch88 wrote:
of course i cannot prove anything i said.. its all speculation.. like WMD in IRAQ or the support given to al-qaida by saddam.. the only obvious thing is the fact that Rumsfeld pushed to bomb IRAQ instead of chasing ben laden in afghanistan..and we all know that the zionist lobby in the US are pro-war against any arab nation... what could be the reason to attack IRAQ? and what will be the reson to attack IRAN?
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php? … cleId=4271
and in my opinion, the link between arab-israeli violence and the holocaust is the fact that ISRAEL was created mostly because of what happened to the jews during ww2 and ISRAEL existence is the principal cause of the violence between them.
No ISRAEL, no violence between jews and arabs..
No iSRAEL, probably still a lot of fighting between arabs and arabs but who cares?
Second - Jew vs Arab, Arab vs Arab - US has been involved. You even cited US support in an all-arab war - so it's not like arabs vs arabs is any better.
The US will be involved either way.
As for the Holocaust creating Israel and perpetuating the violence - isn't the violence caused by the fact they can't get along and not because of what happened to them in the past? Both sides are CHOOSING not to live with each other.
I don't really get the correlation between Russia in WW2 and the Roman Empire - are you saying that the breakup and violence in the Roman Empire and Russia is worse than the Palestinian plight and therefore isn't worth our attention?
Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Holocaust, Russia, Roman Empire - care to stick with Israel & Palestians?
Like I've mentioned in many other discussions re this issue. Its a policy of the Israel government is nothing but racial and surmounts to apartheid and don't any of you say I don't know what I'm talking about I'm from South Africa and I know what apartheid did to this country and its people!
Here's an interesting FACT! Israel provided the Apartheid government with Nuclear technology. So lets see this in retrospect the ENTIRE world had placed sanctions on South Africa give or take a few countries. And there is Israel providing us with WMD's...
And you know what Israel took from South Africa? They took back all the "segregation" policies the SA government of the time was using against the African populace of South Africa. We had something called a "Dom Pas" or area pass in English they where ID papers and Black South Africans where not allowed in "White Area's" with out the Id papers...
Funny thing is that Palestinians are required to carry their ID documents when entering Israeli territory. They have to have specific "work permits" etc. I'm surprised they don't have to fill in a document to take a crap in Israel.
The fact is that Israel has been blatantly enforcing racial and or segregated ruling over the Palestinians "Compounds", "check points" Military soldiers at check points these are all the tactic the old SA government used against the African populace. Its a question of making sure that the "threat" is poor and under educated and generally the conditions Palestinians live under are not the best.
in my eyes i have never seen more racially based policy since the fall of the old SA government. It will eventually result in a uprising that cannot go unnoticed and the oppression of the Palestinians will have to be highlighted. All the Israeli government is doing is alienating its self and the Israeli's from the rest of the world. And they may think they don't need the rest of the world but they would be sadly mistaken.
in my opinion anyway
Here's an interesting FACT! Israel provided the Apartheid government with Nuclear technology. So lets see this in retrospect the ENTIRE world had placed sanctions on South Africa give or take a few countries. And there is Israel providing us with WMD's...
And you know what Israel took from South Africa? They took back all the "segregation" policies the SA government of the time was using against the African populace of South Africa. We had something called a "Dom Pas" or area pass in English they where ID papers and Black South Africans where not allowed in "White Area's" with out the Id papers...
Funny thing is that Palestinians are required to carry their ID documents when entering Israeli territory. They have to have specific "work permits" etc. I'm surprised they don't have to fill in a document to take a crap in Israel.
The fact is that Israel has been blatantly enforcing racial and or segregated ruling over the Palestinians "Compounds", "check points" Military soldiers at check points these are all the tactic the old SA government used against the African populace. Its a question of making sure that the "threat" is poor and under educated and generally the conditions Palestinians live under are not the best.
in my eyes i have never seen more racially based policy since the fall of the old SA government. It will eventually result in a uprising that cannot go unnoticed and the oppression of the Palestinians will have to be highlighted. All the Israeli government is doing is alienating its self and the Israeli's from the rest of the world. And they may think they don't need the rest of the world but they would be sadly mistaken.
in my opinion anyway
"There are other reasons besides WMDs also, your speculation that the US used the Saddam/Al Qaeda link as a reason is absolutely false. You are reaching."Pug wrote:
You really should try looking up why the US is in Iraq. There are other reasons besides WMDs also, your speculation that the US used the Saddam/Al Qaeda link as a reason is absolutely false. You are reaching.[UTQ]_Ausch88 wrote:
of course i cannot prove anything i said.. its all speculation.. like WMD in IRAQ or the support given to al-qaida by saddam.. the only obvious thing is the fact that Rumsfeld pushed to bomb IRAQ instead of chasing ben laden in afghanistan..and we all know that the zionist lobby in the US are pro-war against any arab nation... what could be the reason to attack IRAQ? and what will be the reson to attack IRAN?
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php? … cleId=4271
and in my opinion, the link between arab-israeli violence and the holocaust is the fact that ISRAEL was created mostly because of what happened to the jews during ww2 and ISRAEL existence is the principal cause of the violence between them.
No ISRAEL, no violence between jews and arabs..
No iSRAEL, probably still a lot of fighting between arabs and arabs but who cares?
Second - Jew vs Arab, Arab vs Arab - US has been involved. You even cited US support in an all-arab war - so it's not like arabs vs arabs is any better.
The US will be involved either way.
As for the Holocaust creating Israel and perpetuating the violence - isn't the violence caused by the fact they can't get along and not because of what happened to them in the past? Both sides are CHOOSING not to live with each other.
I don't really get the correlation between Russia in WW2 and the Roman Empire - are you saying that the breakup and violence in the Roman Empire and Russia is worse than the Palestinian plight and therefore isn't worth our attention?
Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Holocaust, Russia, Roman Empire - care to stick with Israel & Palestians?
look at that video.. are you telling me that that guy is lying about what was said before the war?
This administration was looking for any reason to tell the people for invading IRAQ.. its not even about oil..
my english is not perfect but what is was trying to say is since the beginning of times there was things far worst than the holocaust.. 25 millions russians died during ww2.. the christians suffered a lot under the roman empire, the natives in america got almost exterminated and their land stolen BUT WE DON'T HEAR THEM CRY ABOUT IT EVERYDAY. where is the promised land of the native people of america?
I think we are at an impasse on the reasoning behind invading Iraq, because you are focused on only one issue, plus I don't believe in a Israel and Iraq link...
I know I don't live in Germany or Austria (guessing based on your name), but I haven't heard about the Holocaust for a while - except from people who hate jews and want to minimize it for some reason.
I know I don't live in Germany or Austria (guessing based on your name), but I haven't heard about the Holocaust for a while - except from people who hate jews and want to minimize it for some reason.
yes its an impasse but we can speculate..Pug wrote:
I think we are at an impasse on the reasoning behind invading Iraq, because you are focused on only one issue, plus I don't believe in a Israel and Iraq link...
I know I don't live in Germany or Austria (guessing based on your name), but I haven't heard about the Holocaust for a while - except from people who hate jews and want to minimize it for some reason.
its was not a war on terrorism because saddam had no link with terrorists
its not a war for oil or to make money.. the US is almost bankrupt because of this war.. yes some individual made a lot of money (ie Halliburton) but it did not help the USA at all financially.
IRAQ never attacked the USA, no link with 911, no WMD and forget about the liberation of the oppressed IRAQUI people.. only brainswashed people will buy that.
zionists pushed to go to war with IRAQ.. its a fact
zionists in AMERICA don't care about americans at all.. its a fact
zionists wanted to secure ISRAEL a little more by removing Saddam.. and now they want to secure ISRAEL a little more by asking the US to take care of IRAN for them...
but the zionists made a big mistake.. IRAQ is now a lot more dangerous for ISRAEL than it was before.. because IRAQ is now a training camp for terrorists.. and those terrorists will turn against ISRAEL as soon as the american will leave.
So tell me pug, why the US is in IRAQ in your opinion?
Last edited by [UTQ]_Ausch88 (2007-01-04 09:24:59)
The US went into Iraq a little earlier than the UN would have due to general non-compliance with the UN. Sure not a direct threat to the US, but the theory was the regime was destabilizing the region which indirectly impacts the US and the world. I just don't think people put enough thought into what would happen when the regime was in flux. I saw something on Saddam last night where they uncovered about 100 mass graves and estimate Saddam was responsible for killing around 300,000 of his own people. These are all things you have omitted. There's plenty more if you want to look it up.[UTQ]_Ausch88 wrote:
yes its an impasse but we can speculate..Pug wrote:
I think we are at an impasse on the reasoning behind invading Iraq, because you are focused on only one issue, plus I don't believe in a Israel and Iraq link...
I know I don't live in Germany or Austria (guessing based on your name), but I haven't heard about the Holocaust for a while - except from people who hate jews and want to minimize it for some reason.
its was not a war on terrorism because saddam had no link with terrorists
its not a war for oil or to make money.. the US is almost bankrupt because of this war.. yes some individual made a lot of money (ie Halliburton) but it did not help the USA at all financially.
IRAQ never attacked the USA, no link with 911, no WMD and forget about the liberation of the oppressed IRAQUI people.. only brainswashed people will buy that.
zionists pushed to go to war with IRAQ.. its a fact
zionists in AMERICA don't care about americans at all.. its a fact
zionists wanted to secure ISRAEL a little more by removing Saddam.. and now they want to secure ISRAEL a little more by asking the US to take care of IRAN for them...
but the zionists made a big mistake.. IRAQ is now a lot more dangerous for ISRAEL than it was before.. because IRAQ is now a training camp for terrorists.. and those terrorists will turn against ISRAEL as soon as the american will leave.
So tell me pug, why the US is in IRAQ in your opinion?
I dont think I would go that far..[UTQ]_Ausch88 wrote:
its was not a war on terrorism because saddam had no link with terrorists
Hussein paid bonuses of up to $25,000 to the families of Palestinian homicide bombers.
Reuters, “Hussein vows cash for martyrs.” March 12, 2002. Published in The Australian, March 13, 2002, page 9.
Abu Musab al Zarqawi, formerly the director of an al Qaeda training base in Afghanistan, fled to Iraq after being injured as the Taliban fell. He received medical care and convalesced for two months in Baghdad. He then opened an Ansar al Islam terrorist training camp in northern Iraq and arranged the October 2002 assassination of U.S. diplomat Lawrence Foley in Amman, Jordan.
Coalition troops have shut down at least three terrorist training camps in Iraq, including a base approximately 15 miles southeast of Baghdad, called Salman Pak.[14] Before the war, numerous Iraqi defectors had said that the camp featured a passenger jet on which terrorists sharpened their air piracy skills.
http://www.cfr.org/publication/9153/
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ … ra/alf.htm
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/P … 0ieqmb.asp
http://www.hrw.org/backgrounder/mena/ansarbk020503.htm
http://www.boston.com/news/world/middle … r_in_iraq/
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/P … 0kmbzd.asp
Xbone Stormsurgezz
even after your own politicians admitted no link between al-qaida and saddam, you still try to twist the truth. wake up you are fighting the wrong war.. 3000 american dead for the safety of ISRAEL.. and a lot more to come if you don't leave asap..Kmarion wrote:
I dont think I would go that far..[UTQ]_Ausch88 wrote:
its was not a war on terrorism because saddam had no link with terrorists
Hussein paid bonuses of up to $25,000 to the families of Palestinian homicide bombers.
Reuters, “Hussein vows cash for martyrs.” March 12, 2002. Published in The Australian, March 13, 2002, page 9.
Abu Musab al Zarqawi, formerly the director of an al Qaeda training base in Afghanistan, fled to Iraq after being injured as the Taliban fell. He received medical care and convalesced for two months in Baghdad. He then opened an Ansar al Islam terrorist training camp in northern Iraq and arranged the October 2002 assassination of U.S. diplomat Lawrence Foley in Amman, Jordan.
Coalition troops have shut down at least three terrorist training camps in Iraq, including a base approximately 15 miles southeast of Baghdad, called Salman Pak.[14] Before the war, numerous Iraqi defectors had said that the camp featured a passenger jet on which terrorists sharpened their air piracy skills.
http://www.cfr.org/publication/9153/
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ … ra/alf.htm
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/P … 0ieqmb.asp
http://www.hrw.org/backgrounder/mena/ansarbk020503.htm
http://www.boston.com/news/world/middle … r_in_iraq/
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/P … 0kmbzd.asp
15 or the hijackers were saudis.. why are you not invading saudi arabia?? hahaha
Are you saying because they were born in a particular country we should attack that nation. Think about your logic for a minute. Do you deny that Saddam funded Suicide bombers?[UTQ]_Ausch88 wrote:
even after your own politicians admitted no link between al-qaida and saddam, you still try to twist the truth. wake up you are fighting the wrong war.. 3000 american dead for the safety of ISRAEL.. and a lot more to come if you don't leave asap..Kmarion wrote:
I dont think I would go that far..[UTQ]_Ausch88 wrote:
its was not a war on terrorism because saddam had no link with terrorists
Hussein paid bonuses of up to $25,000 to the families of Palestinian homicide bombers.
Reuters, “Hussein vows cash for martyrs.” March 12, 2002. Published in The Australian, March 13, 2002, page 9.
Abu Musab al Zarqawi, formerly the director of an al Qaeda training base in Afghanistan, fled to Iraq after being injured as the Taliban fell. He received medical care and convalesced for two months in Baghdad. He then opened an Ansar al Islam terrorist training camp in northern Iraq and arranged the October 2002 assassination of U.S. diplomat Lawrence Foley in Amman, Jordan.
Coalition troops have shut down at least three terrorist training camps in Iraq, including a base approximately 15 miles southeast of Baghdad, called Salman Pak.[14] Before the war, numerous Iraqi defectors had said that the camp featured a passenger jet on which terrorists sharpened their air piracy skills.
http://www.cfr.org/publication/9153/
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ … ra/alf.htm
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/P … 0ieqmb.asp
http://www.hrw.org/backgrounder/mena/ansarbk020503.htm
http://www.boston.com/news/world/middle … r_in_iraq/
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/P … 0kmbzd.asp
15 or the hijackers were saudis.. why are you not invading saudi arabia?? hahaha
Xbone Stormsurgezz
I have yet to hear anything that confirms US is killing arabs because Israel is telling us to. And you writing "its a fact" after a statement doesn't constitute proof Ausch
ISRAEL is the master in non-compliance with the UN, why not invade ISRAEL? ISRAEL is destabilizing the region too which indirectly impact the US and the world. Saddam killed a lot of his own people.. so what? it didnt prevent you to sell him weapons during the war with IRAN. how many people died in rwanda, now in darfur and your country don't send the marines to fix things up? oh i understand.. they are no threat to ISRAEL and don't have oil so you can let them diePug wrote:
The US went into Iraq a little earlier than the UN would have due to general non-compliance with the UN. Sure not a direct threat to the US, but the theory was the regime was destabilizing the region which indirectly impacts the US and the world. I just don't think people put enough thought into what would happen when the regime was in flux. I saw something on Saddam last night where they uncovered about 100 mass graves and estimate Saddam was responsible for killing around 300,000 of his own people. These are all things you have omitted. There's plenty more if you want to look it up.[UTQ]_Ausch88 wrote:
yes its an impasse but we can speculate..Pug wrote:
I think we are at an impasse on the reasoning behind invading Iraq, because you are focused on only one issue, plus I don't believe in a Israel and Iraq link...
I know I don't live in Germany or Austria (guessing based on your name), but I haven't heard about the Holocaust for a while - except from people who hate jews and want to minimize it for some reason.
its was not a war on terrorism because saddam had no link with terrorists
its not a war for oil or to make money.. the US is almost bankrupt because of this war.. yes some individual made a lot of money (ie Halliburton) but it did not help the USA at all financially.
IRAQ never attacked the USA, no link with 911, no WMD and forget about the liberation of the oppressed IRAQUI people.. only brainswashed people will buy that.
zionists pushed to go to war with IRAQ.. its a fact
zionists in AMERICA don't care about americans at all.. its a fact
zionists wanted to secure ISRAEL a little more by removing Saddam.. and now they want to secure ISRAEL a little more by asking the US to take care of IRAN for them...
but the zionists made a big mistake.. IRAQ is now a lot more dangerous for ISRAEL than it was before.. because IRAQ is now a training camp for terrorists.. and those terrorists will turn against ISRAEL as soon as the american will leave.
So tell me pug, why the US is in IRAQ in your opinion?
you call me one sided.. you forget to talk about a lot of thing too...
my question is.. if you think that the US went to IRAQ because of non-compliance with the UN.. why not change the regime in ISRAEL too since the UN have many resolution against ISRAEL...
Part of the problem is whenever Israel complies and backs off some Jack ball takes advantage and recreates the violence. There is a reason they have blockades and raids.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
so what is your solution to this problem?Kmarion wrote:
Part of the problem is whenever Israel complies and backs off some Jack ball takes advantage and recreates the violence. There is a reason they have blockades and raids.
Mine is relocate ISRAEL in the middle of the United States.
Oh, good. So you are for regime changes if not in compliance with the UN. Iraq is justified. Case closed.[UTQ]_Ausch88 wrote:
my question is.. if you think that the US went to IRAQ because of non-compliance with the UN.. why not change the regime in ISRAEL too since the UN have many resolution against ISRAEL...
This is pointless - enjoy the peanut butter.
How does relocated Israel prevent the arabs from killing each other?[UTQ]_Ausch88 wrote:
so what is your solution to this problem?Kmarion wrote:
Part of the problem is whenever Israel complies and backs off some Jack ball takes advantage and recreates the violence. There is a reason they have blockades and raids.
Mine is relocate ISRAEL in the middle of the United States.
The solution is via some very complicated diplomacy or war. You already know that.
Lets move the 7 million Jews instead of the 3 million Palestinians?[UTQ]_Ausch88 wrote:
so what is your solution to this problem?Kmarion wrote:
Part of the problem is whenever Israel complies and backs off some Jack ball takes advantage and recreates the violence. There is a reason they have blockades and raids.
Mine is relocate ISRAEL in the middle of the United States.
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you justify the war in IRAQ because of non-compliance with the UN, im asking you if this can apply to ISRAEL since they are pretty good to not comply with the UN either.Pug wrote:
Oh, good. So you are for regime changes if not in compliance with the UN. Iraq is justified. Case closed.[UTQ]_Ausch88 wrote:
my question is.. if you think that the US went to IRAQ because of non-compliance with the UN.. why not change the regime in ISRAEL too since the UN have many resolution against ISRAEL...
This is pointless - enjoy the peanut butter.
im asking my question again.. you said that the IRAQ war was justified because of non-compliance with the UN, ISRAEL doesnt comply with the UN right now, should we invade?
I'm not getting involved in this Ausch argument but I will point out one or two things to you and Pug:Kmarion wrote:
Lets move the 7 million Jews instead of the 3 million Palestinians?[UTQ]_Ausch88 wrote:
so what is your solution to this problem?Kmarion wrote:
Part of the problem is whenever Israel complies and backs off some Jack ball takes advantage and recreates the violence. There is a reason they have blockades and raids.
Mine is relocate ISRAEL in the middle of the United States.
3m in the West Bank and Gaza, several more million refugees in Tunisia, Jordan, Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, etc. Some 20% of the population of Israel is also arab.
The existence of Israel is not preventing arab-on-arab violence (Pug oddly seemed to allude to this), as one can plainly see in Gaza, Lebanon, Iraq and the West Bank as we speak.
The war in Iraq was not fought on a 'Saddam linked to terrorism' pretext but public opinion was won by having the spin doctors make subtle suggestions about links between Saddam and Al Qaeda in the media. It was a tool, if you will, in getting the necessary public support to do it.
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