Dimeyard
Member
+7|6754|Sweden
According to the biggest news paper in Scandinavia, Cubans are not allowed to stay at Scandic hotels in Sweden or Norway, since Hilton Hotels bought them for a while. This is because an old American law called Helms-Burton, that forbids this to happen.

Scandic is the biggest hotel-franchising in Scandinavia, but because it´s American owned now, american law will apply on them to.


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Sk
stat padding is for girls
+41|6814

Dimeyard wrote:

but because it´s American owned now, american law will apply on them to.
that's a load of pap.
Just because a building is owned by an American company, it does not mean they will abide by american law!

heck, if that was the case, you could say that if an American bought a house in the Uk, he is entitled to shoot an intruder, as that is American law!


(ps, not having a go at you, but at the source)
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7026|132 and Bush

The Helms-Burton act was condemned by the Council of Europe, the European Union, Canada, Mexico, Argentina and other U.S. allies that enjoy normal trade relations with Cuba. The governments argued that the bill ran counter to the spirit of international law and sovereignty.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
klassekock
Proud Born Loser
+68|7011|Sweden
Who cares?
The chance that any cubans will stay as tourists in sweden are slim to none anyway. And if there would be a person who wanted to stay at scandic, I am sure that the staff would let them stay.
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6980
It sounds suspiciously contrary to European anti-discrimination laws. If the incident ever occurred they'd end up paying heavy fines I'd bet.
Fredrik
i hate you all
+201|7074|Norway
A couple of friends of mine worked at scandic, they both quit after all the bullshit when they got new owners. Yeah, and American laws like that are fascist
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|7007|SE London

CameronPoe wrote:

It sounds suspiciously contrary to European anti-discrimination laws. If the incident ever occurred they'd end up paying heavy fines I'd bet.
Exactly.
Under EU law (and that's where the hotels are) they aren't allowed to not let Cubans stay there. If I were Cuban I'd be there like a shot and hope they didn't let me stay there, because I'd be entitled to some serious compensation from them through the European courts.
rawls2
Mr. Bigglesworth
+89|6985
If you don't like it stay somewhere else.
klassekock
Proud Born Loser
+68|7011|Sweden

rawls2 wrote:

If you don't like it stay somewhere else.
It has nothing to do with wether you like it or not. It's nuts that american laws should apply at a hotel in Europe!
And by the way, I find it really hard to understand what USA got against Cuba anyway. You guys cannot for real still be afraid of " the red communists "?
brome
brap.
+244|7012|Accidental, TK
This is why Wikipedia isn't the most reliable source ever. I didn't know what this law was so I looked it up. Can someone explain for me? cheers
This law includes a wide variety of provisions intended to bring about a peaceful transition to a representative democracy and market economy in Cuba:

    * International Sanctions against the Castro Government. Economic embargo, any non-US company that deals economically with Cuba can be subjected to legal action and that company's leadership can be barred from entry into the United States. Sanctions may be applied to non-U.S. companies trading with Cuba. This means that internationally operating companies have to choose between Cuba and the US, which is a much larger market.
    * United States opposition against Cuban membership in International Financial Institutions.
    * Television broadcasting from the United States to Cuba.
    * Authorization of United States support for democratic and human rights groups and international observers.
    * Declares United States policy towards a transition government and a democratically elected government in Cuba.
    * Protection of property rights of certain United States nationals.
    * Exclusion of certain aliens from the United States, primarily senior officials or major stock holders, and their families, of companies that do business in Cuba on property expropriated from American citizens. To date, executives from Italy, Mexico, Canada, Israel, and the United Kingdom have been barred.
    * Provides power to the Legislative Branch to override a Executive Branch cancellation of the embargo.
    * Prohibits recognition of a transitional government in Cuba that includes Fidel or Raúl Castro
    * Prohibits recognition of a Cuban government that has not provided compensation for U.S. certified claims against confiscated property, defined as non-residential property with an excess of $50,000 value in 1959.
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|7007|SE London

klassekock wrote:

rawls2 wrote:

If you don't like it stay somewhere else.
It has nothing to do with wether you like it or not. It's nuts that american laws should apply at a hotel in Europe!
And by the way, I find it really hard to understand what USA got against Cuba anyway. You guys cannot for real still be afraid of " the red communists "?
They don't apply. If it ever comes up the European courts will have a field day.

If you don't like it, sue them and win loads of money because they're breaking the law.

Last edited by Bertster7 (2007-01-04 09:29:26)

rawls2
Mr. Bigglesworth
+89|6985

klassekock wrote:

rawls2 wrote:

If you don't like it stay somewhere else.
It has nothing to do with wether you like it or not. It's nuts that american laws should apply at a hotel in Europe!
And by the way, I find it really hard to understand what USA got against Cuba anyway. You guys cannot for real still be afraid of " the red communists "?
Then why sell hotels to American companies. If the public doesn't feel it's fair have them buy it back from the American's, simple as that. If they wont then they can't complain what rules we put at OUR hotels.
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6980

rawls2 wrote:

klassekock wrote:

rawls2 wrote:

If you don't like it stay somewhere else.
It has nothing to do with wether you like it or not. It's nuts that american laws should apply at a hotel in Europe!
And by the way, I find it really hard to understand what USA got against Cuba anyway. You guys cannot for real still be afraid of " the red communists "?
Then why sell hotels to American companies. If the public doesn't feel it's fair have them buy it back from the American's, simple as that. If they wont then they can't complain what rules we put at OUR hotels.
Rawls - I think you'll find EUROPEAN law applies to companies operating within Europe, not American law. As such, if a Cuban should ever attempt to stay at one of those hotels and be refused then it'll be lawsuitorama time. If American companies feel so strongly about Cuba then they can just not bother entering the European market.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2007-01-04 10:40:56)

Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|7007|SE London

rawls2 wrote:

klassekock wrote:

rawls2 wrote:

If you don't like it stay somewhere else.
It has nothing to do with wether you like it or not. It's nuts that american laws should apply at a hotel in Europe!
And by the way, I find it really hard to understand what USA got against Cuba anyway. You guys cannot for real still be afraid of " the red communists "?
Then why sell hotels to American companies. If the public doesn't feel it's fair have them buy it back from the American's, simple as that. If they wont then they can't complain what rules we put at OUR hotels.
They can when those rules break local laws. The rules of the legal system of the nation the hotel is in take presidence over any silly American anti-cuban regulations. If the company who own the hotels don't like it, I suggest they don't buy hotels in countries with laws against discrimination.
rawls2
Mr. Bigglesworth
+89|6985

Bertster7 wrote:

rawls2 wrote:

klassekock wrote:


It has nothing to do with wether you like it or not. It's nuts that american laws should apply at a hotel in Europe!
And by the way, I find it really hard to understand what USA got against Cuba anyway. You guys cannot for real still be afraid of " the red communists "?
Then why sell hotels to American companies. If the public doesn't feel it's fair have them buy it back from the American's, simple as that. If they wont then they can't complain what rules we put at OUR hotels.
They can when those rules break local laws. The rules of the legal system of the nation the hotel is in take presidence over any silly American anti-cuban regulations. If the company who own the hotels don't like it, I suggest they don't buy hotels in countries with laws against discrimination.
Well then, I'll wait for a Cuban to file suit. I wont hold my breathe.
arson
Member
+99|7062|New York

Dimeyard wrote:

According to the biggest news paper in Scandinavia, Cubans are not allowed to stay at Scandic hotels in Sweden or Norway, since Hilton Hotels bought them for a while. This is because an old American law called Helms-Burton, that forbids this to happen.

Scandic is the biggest hotel-franchising in Scandinavia, but because it´s American owned now, american law will apply on them to.


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Haven't the Cuban people been punished enough because Castro?   Tell Castro and his brother to sleep on the street but let the people stay where they want.
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6980
Can I just say...

HASTA LA VICTORIA SIEMPRE!

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Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7026|132 and Bush

Usted puede decirlo pero usted lo entiende?
Xbone Stormsurgezz
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6980

Kmarion wrote:

Usted puede decirlo pero usted lo entiende?
Si. Yo te puedo entender y yo puedo entender las palabras que escribé. Tuve una novia panamena una vez y ella me ayudió a aprender castellano.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7026|132 and Bush

CameronPoe wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Usted puede decirlo pero usted lo entiende?
Si. Yo te puedo entender y yo puedo entender las palabras que escribé. Tuve una novia panamena una vez y ella me ayudió a aprender castellano.
Was she the one I saw in one of your pictures?
Xbone Stormsurgezz
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6980

Kmarion wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Usted puede decirlo pero usted lo entiende?
Si. Yo te puedo entender y yo puedo entender las palabras que escribé. Tuve una novia panamena una vez y ella me ayudió a aprender castellano.
Was she the one I saw in one of your pictures?
Si. Since taken down. New gf now although we keep in touch.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2007-01-04 11:19:14)

Dimeyard
Member
+7|6754|Sweden
Arson.. you have absolutely right there..

Last edited by Dimeyard (2007-01-04 11:21:15)

arson
Member
+99|7062|New York
I don't belive in punishing a countries people for the choices made by its government Dimeyard.
All those 7's make me want to got down to Atlantic City

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