BF2S Forums 46000+ Traffic Deaths In America Last Year

ATG wrote:

VagrantSoldier wrote:

btw, how was that execution grotesque.  You seem to be able to tolerate death, but you can't watch someone you probably despised die?  What the hell do you think executions are for?  They are not punishment, it is a form of payment to the people the guilty has hurt.

It was a mob spectacle. I generally don't like state run  killings but sometimes it is clearly justified, as with Saddam.
But,
1) if you are okay with the spectacle that was Saddams death I submit you at heart, may be as cruel and viscious as the terrorist.
2) Government run executions should be as emotionless and clinical as possible.
3) We lead by example, and turning a former head of state over to a mob is a piss poor example.

Vagrant, your obviously new here, and so I understand your hackles getting raised over this thread; just gotta understand I am trying to make a larger point, and to see how many people read the OP before posting. Every person who posted something to do with auto accidents did not read the OP and are hereby busted.

Part of the larger point is that you don't go into a foreign land, kill their people, prison their leaders and expect anything other than a fight. And if you are going to put my fellow countrymen in that kind of meat grinder you better damn sure have thought it all through and fight to win.

To do anything less is to encourage voting in America from the roof tops and with explosives.

VagrantSoldier wrote:

You can not call me ignorant for not examining the damage control argument.  That is the only argument anyone ever puts up for staying in Iraq.  I should not have to try, you should know.  You are the ignorant ones and I don't care if you don't believe me.  I know I am right and I know I will lose this argument, but "force can oppress the truth" F. Scott Fritzgerald or some other smart person.

We are going to stay in Iraq and expand operations elsewhere because these people cannot be trusted with WMD's. It's not about damage control, it's about inflicting enough damage on them for us to maintain military supremecy.

ATG wrote:

I'm not calling it a success. Thats why radical action is required.
The concept of military supremacy looks a bit out-dated in this day and age?    Not to me .

ATG wrote:

http://i16.tinypic.com/29c8fiq.jpg

Thats over 130000 death of civilians in American in the time since 9-11 and our Iraq invasion.


Motor-vehicle total deaths (1-year rule)#      43,788 ( 2001 )     45,380 ( 2002 )     44,757  ( 2003 )      46,200  ( 2004 )    46,800* ( 2005 )



I demand that our government do something immediatly about this horrible situation and further that everyone quit bitching about the 3000 Americans killed in a major theatre of war in that same time frame.

Further, 1/4 of a million people are killed each and every year IN AMERICA by DOCTORS misdiagnosing or otherwise blundering their cases. That's more people than the number of Kurds Saddam gassed and we called that practically a genocide.
http://www.relfe.com/doctors_kill.html

Can we stop the hand wringing and get to the serious business of the GWOT and commence with the invasion of Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Iran already?

_{in a high pitched bitchy sissy voice}   We've been fighting in the global War on terror for longer than we fought in World War 2, what giv-ez?

Unleash the Marines

Osama is in Pakistan, let's give them 72 hours to hand him over.   (    http://www.rediff.com/news/2004/sep/07osama.htm   )
Iran is supplying bombs to insurgents in Iraq; let's knock them silly and hang President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.    (     http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/a … oryid=6246     )
Most of the killers on 9-11 are from Saudi Arabia.   (  no link should be required on this one.  )

WTF are we waiting for?

( this is not a tongue and cheek thread )



if we are going to fight, then why don't we? This grotesqe execution of Saddam was yet another fumbling in the way we have conducted ourselves, and it was an embarrassment, almost as bad as Abu Ghraib imo.

I know it's too much to ask, but can we please take the gloves off, or get the fuck out and accept defeat.

This doing nothing is getting on my nerves.
http://i9.tinypic.com/2e0jng6.jpg


Given how many accidental deaths there are every year in America couldn't we afford a few thousand more per year to bring peace and freedom to the world?

Last edited by CameronPoe (2007-01-03 08:30:33)

ATG wrote:

I guess my feeling is that if we leave them alone then at some point they will unite in a global jihad with nuclear swords.
We can't let that happen.

I don't know what the solution is. Sometimes I imagine a finale solution. More realistic is to just let the nukes fly ( meaning  , let Iran nuke Israel, India Pakistan, etc. ) if that's what they want.

Maybe then the outlawing of religion will be more palatable.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2007-01-03 08:37:25)

EVieira wrote:

B.Schuss wrote:

Also, the concept of military supremacy looks a bit out-dated in this day and age, wouldn't you agree ?
At least the insurgents are not buying it. You had military supremacy over Iraq well before the war started, there was no doubt about that. You crushed Iraq's regular army within days.
But since then, the war in Iraq has turned into a stalemate at best. You are exchanging body bags for little to no considerable progress. Damage control ? euphemisms ftw..

Humm, good point. US military strategy against terrorism and guerrilla warfare isn't as effective as it is on open battlefields. Too bad they can't use the Russian strategy used on Chechnya: Give people a 48 hour notice before leveling the cities with artillery. Seemed to have worked on Grozny...

Last edited by GunSlinger OIF II (2007-01-03 09:12:41)

EVieira wrote:

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

... but we didnt level the place with artillery, every building was cleared and recleared

That right there is where they screwed up. You gotta level the place, otherwise what's the point? They'll just move back in. Kinda like what Israel did to some neighborhoods of Beirut.

Last edited by hate&discontent (2007-01-03 17:19:54)

madmurre wrote:

hate&discontent wrote:

i didn't take the time to read everyones posts (sorry if this has already been said) but until the politicians that are in office stop being such conservative PUSSIES and let the U.S. Military flex their muscles and kick some serious ass we are all FUCKED.  let the Air Force bomb the shit out of them, let naval gunfire fuck everything else up, then send in the MARINES to kill what is left, then the Army to clean up what everyone else FUCKING DESTROYED!!!!!!!   just my two cents,  SEMPER FI.

That´s the stupidest thing i have read tonight

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

these were the same conversations i would have with some of my friends while we were there.  if they let us go through and destroy everything, like the russians in chechnya or afghanistan there wouldnt be an insurgency.  But,  russia pulled out of afghanistan and chechnya is still a hot zone.