Excuse me while I throw up....Strngs012 wrote:
That is an oxymoron, there is no such thing. Only one person ever lived a sinless life, his name is Jesus. Believe in him and you will be saved.NeoCommander wrote:
What IF they were good, sinless people,
Saved....sounds like an egocentric cry for immortality in a world of constant change.Strngs012 wrote:
That is an oxymoron, there is no such thing. Only one person ever lived a sinless life, his name is Jesus. Believe in him and you will be saved.NeoCommander wrote:
What IF they were good, sinless people,
I just threw up in my mouth a little bit...Strngs012 wrote:
That is an oxymoron, there is no such thing. Only one person ever lived a sinless life, his name is Jesus. Believe in him and you will be saved.NeoCommander wrote:
What IF they were good, sinless people,
i dont believe in god, i believe in science!
I cant see any proof of god, so i dont believe in god!
I cant see any proof of god, so i dont believe in god!
yes, and neither will men who lie with beast.NeoCommander wrote:
I agree, however there's a scripture that says, "neither will men whom lie down with men will enter gods kingdom" Powerful words, written by man or not.sfarrar33 wrote:
ah my views are similar but i differ in that i do not believe god ever said (or meant or inspired) that the bible, Koran, or any other holy book/scripture should be written.NeoCommander wrote:
I think God created earth and inspired man to write the bible, but in the end, we all totally fucked up it's interpretations. I never read in the bible "the Christan's are right" or "build a true religion for me"
I can't really answer your questions but i can say where the corruption comes from
and thats two things:
The first things easy, its simple uselessness, like why is homosexuality not talked about in the bible? well it either subtly is with the whole 'love thy brother' stuff, or simply that when the bible was written homosexuality was not an issue in the slightest, or even thought of. No problems at the time of publishing but centuries on from them it means that people fill in the blanks with things like, "the bible doesn't say it's right therefore it isn't right"
The second thing is small mindedness and usefulness, the bible doesn't state most things obviously so people use the various interpretations of what it says to get what they want done. After all it is much easier to convince people to start a war when its God's will that war be started. the small minded aspect comes into it but altered so that the line i said above would read "I don't agree with homosexuality, and the bible doesn't say it's right therefore it isn't right" and of course the emphasis comes after the comma so that people forget what you said before the comma.
They seem similar and they are i spose, but the difference is intentions, the first form of corruption isn't intended its a simple interpretaion (or missinterpretation) of what the bible says, the second thing is deliberataly done to get something done and at the time the consequences arn't thought of (because they never are...)
No other way? Ever considered that there might not be a reason why we are here? Ever considered that science might someday explain elements of the 'why are we here' series of questions, as it has done in the past? Ever considered that the universe might have existed for all of eternity (i.e., it never 'started') and will never cease to exist (although we will become extinct probably long before the nearest star runs out of energy)? Ever consider that we are just a complex biological scum that developed on the surface of a rock in the proximity of a brightly burning star? A vast array of rocks spread across the depths of deepest darkest space will probably outlive us by an eternity - don't kid yourself on the 'we're so special' mumbo jumbo.NeoCommander wrote:
I do believe God exists, there is no other way to explain why we are here,...
That is because all religions are fabrications of humans, who have an innate tendency to violate the laws laid down in their own religions, restricting their pursuit of self-gratification, self-importance and propensity to indulge themselves (Freud's pleasure principle, which all humans adhere to).NeoCommander wrote:
... but here's how I look at it: There are probably 1,000's of religions out there, and in each one, they think they are the correct one, yet in every religion I look into, there is nothing but corruptness in each of them, the support wars, voting, homosexuality, they twist the Bible/Quran/Book of Mormon - to degrees unimaginable... It's sickening.
Adopt whatever system of religious dogma you see fit: it's all pointless anyway.NeoCommander wrote:
God simply cannot fit in one religion, How can a fair God, bless one religion, and completely screw everyone else in eternal damnation in hell? What IF they were good, sinless people, but they just happened to be a catholic and the Pentecostals turned out to be the right religion? Does that seem fair?
12 people witnessed and reported an unidentified flying object on election day over an airport terminal in chicago's o'hare airport. 0 people have seen any form of deity that we could call god. Ill believe in aliens and flying saucers before I believe in a higher power
Will this scum has a vast amount of intelligence to evolve off a rock :)
Yet your clinging to science to give all the answers bring you to the big bang theory which implies a beginning. If deny the theory well there is nothing wrong with that you can always take a gander at religious explanations for our appearance into this world, yet for some reason even you can be skeptical about that.
Except i hope that one day you can see the amount of intelligence behind the energy that makes the cosmos, its not blind energy devoid of intelligence...hell it knows what its doing evidence to that you see me and you talking on an internet forum discussing life. haha its a wonderful world.
Yet your clinging to science to give all the answers bring you to the big bang theory which implies a beginning. If deny the theory well there is nothing wrong with that you can always take a gander at religious explanations for our appearance into this world, yet for some reason even you can be skeptical about that.
Except i hope that one day you can see the amount of intelligence behind the energy that makes the cosmos, its not blind energy devoid of intelligence...hell it knows what its doing evidence to that you see me and you talking on an internet forum discussing life. haha its a wonderful world.
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If i were to tell you that i saw God would that make a difference in your beliefs or would you assume my insanity?GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
12 people witnessed and reported an unidentified flying object on election day over an airport terminal in chicago's o'hare airport. 0 people have seen any form of deity that we could call god. Ill believe in aliens and flying saucers before I believe in a higher power
True - he would have to be God of the hole universe.NeoCommander wrote:
God simply cannot fit in one religion...
Now there is 400.000.000.000 stars in our galaxy and 50.000.000.000 galaxies.
Our earth is an ordinary planet orbiting an ordinary star (the sun).
I think you'll find Zeus is in charge of the universe. 'God' only has jurisdiction over this particular solar system. He was hoping he'd get Alpha Centauri into the bargain but that went to Thor.Freke1 wrote:
True - he would have to be God of the hole universe.NeoCommander wrote:
God simply cannot fit in one religion...
Now there is 400.000.000.000 stars in our galaxy and 50.000.000.000 galaxies.
Our earth is an ordinary planet orbiting an ordinary star (the sun).
Thx for clearing it out
kinda like the way the bible was written.Fen321 wrote:
If i were to tell you that i saw God would that make a difference in your beliefs or would you assume my insanity?GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
12 people witnessed and reported an unidentified flying object on election day over an airport terminal in chicago's o'hare airport. 0 people have seen any form of deity that we could call god. Ill believe in aliens and flying saucers before I believe in a higher power
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No it doesn't seem fair, but is there anything fair in this world? Why are some people born Palestinians, in the middle of a war without a country, while others live in penthouses in Rio? Why do some have to gather cans and cardboard to live while others play soccer in the beach? Why do I have a 2MB internet connection when millions will die without ever learning how to read?NeoCommander wrote:
God simply cannot fit in one religion, How can a fair God, bless one religion, and completely screw everyone else in eternal damnation in hell? What IF they were good, sinless people, but they just happened to be a catholic and the Pentecostals turned out to be the right religion? Does that seem fair?
In the midst of all this suffering, of all this unfairness, is where faith in God flourishes, no matter what religion you follow. The poorest regions of Brazil are the ones that have the most religious people. Why does this happen? I have no idea.
"All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them."
Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
Untrue, yet I often don't believe the ones now who claim they saw Jesus in grilled cheese.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
12 people witnessed and reported an unidentified flying object on election day over an airport terminal in chicago's o'hare airport. 0 people have seen any form of deity that we could call god. Ill believe in aliens and flying saucers before I believe in a higher power
Al Gore has veto power.usmarine2007 wrote:
When I was going thru my 12 years of Catholic school, I could never figure out a lot of things. One is, if God controls the universe and God has a plan, then why is there all this fear about global warming? If God is in control, does Al Gore think he can override God's plans?
Thinking about stuff like this is why I gave up on religion a long time ago.
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I think all religion is a load of crap and anyone soft enough to beleive in such rubbish is a bigger idiot than they think they are. We are just bits of meat that got lucky and developed thumbs.
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If you are willing to look at this completely objectively and rationally i think it is pretty clear that religion was useful for ancient civilizations to explain the unexplainable. The amount of things that were unknown were so vast that they needed something even more vast, an alpha male in the sky to explain it all.
"I believe there is a profound difference between science and religious belief. There is no well demonstrated reason to believe in god, and I think the idea of a divine creator belittles the elegant reality of the universe."
Richard Dawkin's: The Root Of all Evil? The God Delusion.
If you think about if you believe the Christian faith (45% of Americans 135 million people) that would mean that you are forced to accept that the Earth is only 10,000 or less years old. That's ridiculous, there wouldn't even be oil or diamonds in the ground... Dinosaurs, ice ages, KT Boundary, these things occurred millions of years ago, these facts are common sense but the backwards thinking of faith demands you deny.
"Isn't embracing the truth better than false hope?"
"I believe there is a profound difference between science and religious belief. There is no well demonstrated reason to believe in god, and I think the idea of a divine creator belittles the elegant reality of the universe."
Richard Dawkin's: The Root Of all Evil? The God Delusion.
If you think about if you believe the Christian faith (45% of Americans 135 million people) that would mean that you are forced to accept that the Earth is only 10,000 or less years old. That's ridiculous, there wouldn't even be oil or diamonds in the ground... Dinosaurs, ice ages, KT Boundary, these things occurred millions of years ago, these facts are common sense but the backwards thinking of faith demands you deny.
"Isn't embracing the truth better than false hope?"
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who said that god would be fair?NeoCommander wrote:
Lately I've developed my own view on religion;
I do believe God exists, there is no other way to explain why we are here, but here's how I look at it: There are probably 1,000's of religions out there, and in each one, they think they are the correct one, yet in every religion I look into, there is nothing but corruptness in each of them, the support wars, voting, homosexuality, they twist the Bible/Quran/Book of Mormon - to degrees unimaginable... It's sickening.
God simply cannot fit in one religion, How can a fair God, bless one religion, and completely screw everyone else in eternal damnation in hell? What IF they were good, sinless people, but they just happened to be a catholic and the Pentecostals turned out to be the right religion? Does that seem fair?
The same person that decided he was perfect.jimmanycricket wrote:
who said that god would be fair?NeoCommander wrote:
Lately I've developed my own view on religion;
I do believe God exists, there is no other way to explain why we are here, but here's how I look at it: There are probably 1,000's of religions out there, and in each one, they think they are the correct one, yet in every religion I look into, there is nothing but corruptness in each of them, the support wars, voting, homosexuality, they twist the Bible/Quran/Book of Mormon - to degrees unimaginable... It's sickening.
God simply cannot fit in one religion, How can a fair God, bless one religion, and completely screw everyone else in eternal damnation in hell? What IF they were good, sinless people, but they just happened to be a catholic and the Pentecostals turned out to be the right religion? Does that seem fair?
does that mean the devil or animalsAdams_BJ wrote:
yes, and neither will men who lie with beast.
if it means the devil then i'm off to go fuck a chicken
I'm pretty sure Buddhism makes allowances.Turquoise wrote:
LOL... true... Homosexuals seem to get the short end of the stick with just about every religion (no pun intended).Bubbalo wrote:
That's right folks, Muslims and Christians are both crazy about homosexuality. They just can't get enough of it!NeoCommander wrote:
the support...............homosexuality
Does anyone know what the stance of the Chult of Scientology is?
i couldnt agree with you more mate!!!UNDIESRULES wrote:
I think all religion is a load of crap and anyone soft enough to beleive in such rubbish is a bigger idiot than they think they are. We are just bits of meat that got lucky and developed thumbs.
Wow, my browser just crashed after that BS sentence.Strngs012 wrote:
That is an oxymoron, there is no such thing. Only one person ever lived a sinless life, his name is Jesus. Believe in him and you will be saved.NeoCommander wrote:
What IF they were good, sinless people,
People that believe in evolution don't believe in the massive jumps (X-Men style) that the religious use to mock! We are talking about huge number of small changes in a huge numbers of different organisms over an immense period of time.Fen321 wrote:
Will this scum has a vast amount of intelligence to evolve off a rock
We don't cling to science, we use it as a tool. We choose not to believe in a god. Believers use science as much as non-believers (like your PC and the Internet).... they only choose not to believe some theories. Its not science or religion, they are not opposites.Fen321 wrote:
Yet your clinging to science to give all the answers....
This is why many of us 'thinkers' don't believe - as religious arguments often contradict (science doesn't tolerate contradictions). Your first point was to poorly mock evolution, but now you suggest that god must have been involved to start the big bang! Also for people who believe in the big bang, yes there is no knowable answer to what (if anything) came before. BUT the point is just because science (or whatever) doesn't have an answer that doesn't mean a mystical being must have had a hand in it!Fen321 wrote:
...bring you to the big bang theory which implies a beginning. ...
For some reason??? wtf?? Its easy: the reason is that we see no reason to invent a mystical being to give us an explanation.Fen321 wrote:
...bring you to the big bang theory which implies a beginning. If deny the theory well there is nothing wrong with that you can always take a gander at religious explanations for our appearance into this world, yet for some reason even you can be skeptical about that.
So the world amazes you. It does me too. But where you see mystical magical energy and 'intelligence behind' - I just see a universe that just is. Dont be soscared not to have an answer to everything.Fen321 wrote:
Except i hope that one day you can see the amount of intelligence behind the energy that makes the cosmos, its not blind energy devoid of intelligence...hell it knows what its doing evidence to that you see me and you talking on an Internet forum discussing life. haha its a wonderful world.