Hell, it's not just the Mormons. It's been so hard for Catholics to get elected since people think that they are under some code and required to take orders from the pope.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
People are anti-Mormon because of the propaganda leveled against them by other churches, and (oddly enough) by the stereotype that they are overly nice to a fault (untrue; many I've known are as big of jackasses as anyone I've met). If a Mormon, in this century, actually runs for President and wins, I'd be shocked beyond belief. It'd be like a Wiccan winning an election despite the horror of the Bible Belt.
yeah thats just human nature, because our brains can't handle every new person we meet we invent stereotypes since they let us deal with things and help keep us safe, i mean if you never met a dog before and it bit you, you'd be wary of all dogs you met afterwards right?[RDH]Warlord wrote:
So, you, yourself, do you feel that Mormons are weird? are Strange? Would you vote against Romney BECAUSE he's Mormon? I must just be trying to find someone who does, and ask him "why" he thinks so. I'm so insanely curious...
Sorry that some guys are jerks. But then, you find jerks in most religions. I just hate how people swoop in on the few bad apples and say "SEE? THEY'RE NOT ALL POWERFUL. HE'S A MORMON, SO THEY MUST ALL ACT THIS WAY!"
I do have to say, that i don't exactly side with Romney on all sides. I don't see why people have to take such a solid stance YES or NO on so many things. Where's the presidential candidate that says, about abortion: "MAYBE!"
now apply that to people, you never met a mormon before right, you don't know any kind of customs or traditions or even if there are any, but you kind of blag it and try not to make a fool of yourself in the process, that man then procedes to get drunk, come over uninvited, get drunker, and break various things around your house and well basically all kinds of crap. Then the only real difference between him and any other bloke, that you can work out, is that he's a mormon, and since you've no other mormons to compare him too you start to think all mormons act like that and avoid them so your house doesn't get trashed again.
As for the last bit they have to take a yes or no stance because noone will vote for someone who says maybe, its near enough political suicide, as an example i would use the conservative party but i doubt you know much about British politics...
Catholics will become more empowered as Hispanics grow in their percentage of the total population.DesertFox423 wrote:
Hell, it's not just the Mormons. It's been so hard for Catholics to get elected since people think that they are under some code and required to take orders from the pope.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
People are anti-Mormon because of the propaganda leveled against them by other churches, and (oddly enough) by the stereotype that they are overly nice to a fault (untrue; many I've known are as big of jackasses as anyone I've met). If a Mormon, in this century, actually runs for President and wins, I'd be shocked beyond belief. It'd be like a Wiccan winning an election despite the horror of the Bible Belt.
Don't come to my damn door. I hate that. If I wanted to learn about your religeon, I'd go to your temple or whatever you call them. (I personally call them bicycle repair shops, as you guys are always on bikes with your little nametags and pocket protectors). You come to my door, and bother me at home, and you'll get a gun pulled on you. It's that simple. Same goes for Jehov Witnesses.[RDH]Warlord wrote:
Mormons believe in their religion so much that they want others to at least hear the word. That way we can say we tried to let you know, but we still respect your own choice. These guys give up two years of their lives to go live in another town (usually) entirely, most often out of country, to talk to people. While it lets people know the word, it also makes the person them self a better person.
They're not out there to start up a debate in religion. It's like asking a door-to-door salesman if they want to buy your homemade goods. They're not going door-to-door looking for a change in religion, so when you offer, they of course turn you down. Keep in mind, these people are teh most dedicated to the religion.
I don't have anything against other religions. In fact, since I'm so isolated, when I met a Jew at work, I was fascinated by him. I have nothing against a person's belief. My best friend's wife is a pagan (I was surprised to find out it had nothing to do with devil worshiping).
As for the book being written by a person, so what? So was the bible. If you claim that the bible was inspired by real events, then you don't know the bible. The bible is just stories that were handed down orally for generations before someone finally wrote it down, translated, retranslated, copied, translated again, then interpreted by someone, then... etc.
QFE.cospengle wrote:
I don't have a problem with people wanting to talk to others about their religion, but I do have a problem with people knocking on my door to do so. To use your annalogy of a door-to-door salesman, I never buy anything from a door-to-door salesman, and I resent the intrusion. If I wanted a new [insert bs product here] I'd go to the shop and buy one. Same with religion, if I wanted a new one I'd go to the church.[RDH]Warlord wrote:
Mormons believe in their religion so much that they want others to at least hear the word. That way we can say we tried to let you know, but we still respect your own choice. These guys give up two years of their lives to go live in another town (usually) entirely, most often out of country, to talk to people. While it lets people know the word, it also makes the person them self a better person.
As soon as you invade my house or mind with your garbage, I don't give a shit about, is the time I have a problem with your religion. Believe what you want, but know that no one else gives a flying fuck and trying to 'convert' people will only give your religion a negative image.
They're not out there to start up a debate in religion. It's like asking a door-to-door salesman if they want to buy your homemade goods. They're not going door-to-door looking for a change in religion, so when you offer, they of course turn you down. Keep in mind, these people are teh most dedicated to the religion.
I think alot of people think mormons and JWs are wierd because they don't understand them, but also they resent them because they intrude on them by knocking on their door to "bible bash" them. It's not that people have a problem with people having a particular belief, it's just that they don't like people trying to push it on them.
I live in Australia and I have absolutely no idea what our Prime Minister's religious beliefs are, and I'm happy to keep it that way. I'd hate to live in a country where the leaded of the government wanted everyone in the country to join their religion.
So to answer your question, I can't vote for him to become the US president because I'm not American, but if I was I would only consider voting for him if I knew he wouldn't use the position to promote his beliefs any more than anyone else would. And then only if I wanted to vote republican.
If anyone in a place of power uses religion to promote there opinions or makes political decisions which effects millions of people I have a big problem with it. I don't care what you believe in, but as soon as what you believe in effects me I have a problem with it. As long as he does his job and he can believe in fairies for all I care.
The thing I'd be most worried about though is religious people making decisions which effect millions of people, the economy and the environment on religious beliefs over scientific research. In other words run the country, business etc like an atheist and I couldn't care less what religion you are.
As said above I also live in Australia and I have no idea of the religion of our parliment, and like it that way.
Clever...even though bicycles don't pollute the atmosphere.=MCHD= arush5268d wrote:
Don't come to my damn door. I hate that. If I wanted to learn about your religeon, I'd go to your temple or whatever you call them. (I personally call them bicycle repair shops, as you guys are always on bikes with your little nametags and pocket protectors). You come to my door, and bother me at home, and you'll get a gun pulled on you. It's that simple. Same goes for Jehov Witnesses.
If you actually pull a gun on anyone for knocking on your door, I wouldn't be surprised if your next post was sent from jail. Call the various churches and express your disinterest if they bother you.
Q. F. F-in. T.Fujin wrote:
For the most part, since living here the past 18 years, I can conclude that other than some specific quirks related to their religion and beliefs, they are just people like any other...and we can all be assholes every now and then.
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Actually, in Texas I'm well within my right to display a firearm while insdie my home. One time to van fulls of Jehov Witnesses came to my door telling me that they are God's people..and that God owns all land; and since they are God's people they therefore own my land. I was inclined to disagree with them...but they continued to insist that my land was theirs. I then fetched my 30-06 and politely informed them that my 30-06 agrees that the land was mine. They promptly left, and never returned.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Clever...even though bicycles don't pollute the atmosphere.=MCHD= arush5268d wrote:
Don't come to my damn door. I hate that. If I wanted to learn about your religeon, I'd go to your temple or whatever you call them. (I personally call them bicycle repair shops, as you guys are always on bikes with your little nametags and pocket protectors). You come to my door, and bother me at home, and you'll get a gun pulled on you. It's that simple. Same goes for Jehov Witnesses.
If you actually pull a gun on anyone for knocking on your door, I wouldn't be surprised if your next post was sent from jail. Call the various churches and express your disinterest if they bother you.Q. F. F-in. T.Fujin wrote:
For the most part, since living here the past 18 years, I can conclude that other than some specific quirks related to their religion and beliefs, they are just people like any other...and we can all be assholes every now and then.
Hmm. Something about Texas I didn't know, I suppose... I thought you actually had to have a realistic reason to wave a firearm in someone's face, even if it is on your property.=MCHD= arush5268d wrote:
Actually, in Texas I'm well within my right to display a firearm while insdie my home. One time to van fulls of Jehov Witnesses came to my door telling me that they are God's people..and that God owns all land; and since they are God's people they therefore own my land. I was inclined to disagree with them...but they continued to insist that my land was theirs. I then fetched my 30-06 and politely informed them that my 30-06 agrees that the land was mine. They promptly left, and never returned.
Not on your own property At night, for example, you can shoot first and ask questions later if someone breaks into your house.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Hmm. Something about Texas I didn't know, I suppose... I thought you actually had to have a realistic reason to wave a firearm in someone's face, even if it is on your property.=MCHD= arush5268d wrote:
Actually, in Texas I'm well within my right to display a firearm while insdie my home. One time to van fulls of Jehov Witnesses came to my door telling me that they are God's people..and that God owns all land; and since they are God's people they therefore own my land. I was inclined to disagree with them...but they continued to insist that my land was theirs. I then fetched my 30-06 and politely informed them that my 30-06 agrees that the land was mine. They promptly left, and never returned.
In public though, it's a different story.
Texas now seems a lot scarier...
I can understand vs. breaking and entering, but it's a bit unreasonable to threaten salesmen/missionaries on your porch, even if they are annoying and you do have the right.=MCHD= arush5268d wrote:
Not on your own property At night, for example, you can shoot first and ask questions later if someone breaks into your house.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Hmm. Something about Texas I didn't know, I suppose... I thought you actually had to have a realistic reason to wave a firearm in someone's face, even if it is on your property.=MCHD= arush5268d wrote:
Actually, in Texas I'm well within my right to display a firearm while insdie my home. One time to van fulls of Jehov Witnesses came to my door telling me that they are God's people..and that God owns all land; and since they are God's people they therefore own my land. I was inclined to disagree with them...but they continued to insist that my land was theirs. I then fetched my 30-06 and politely informed them that my 30-06 agrees that the land was mine. They promptly left, and never returned.
In public though, it's a different story.
Only scary if you plan on bringing harm to other people! I've never felt threatened by a decent member of society.sfarrar33 wrote:
Texas now seems a lot scarier...
I wouldn't try that for your average salesperson...but these guys were quite persistant and refused to leave. They were very adamant that my land was theirs, and that I should leave the property if I didn't want to join their church.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
I can understand vs. breaking and entering, but it's a bit unreasonable to threaten salesmen/missionaries on your porch, even if they are annoying and you do have the right.=MCHD= arush5268d wrote:
Not on your own property At night, for example, you can shoot first and ask questions later if someone breaks into your house.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Hmm. Something about Texas I didn't know, I suppose... I thought you actually had to have a realistic reason to wave a firearm in someone's face, even if it is on your property.
In public though, it's a different story.
My thinly veiled answers, from someone who lives in Utah but is not mormon
1. mormons are rude. No if's ands or buts about it. They do NOT say thank you for anything except at church
2. They drive rude (thats why you don't use your blinker until the last minute). good luck if you ever pull out of a parking lot and need to get over 2 lanes. No one can ever get in front of you since I-15 is a race track, not a highway!
3. If your not mormon, you don't matter (except the week after general conference when they church president reminds you this is the way it should be)
1. mormons are rude. No if's ands or buts about it. They do NOT say thank you for anything except at church
2. They drive rude (thats why you don't use your blinker until the last minute). good luck if you ever pull out of a parking lot and need to get over 2 lanes. No one can ever get in front of you since I-15 is a race track, not a highway!
3. If your not mormon, you don't matter (except the week after general conference when they church president reminds you this is the way it should be)
Religion is a killer. It's a way of handing away the responsibility. It's a human invention. Stop it pls.
You can be a good person without religion. No problem.
You can be a good person without religion. No problem.
true, but its the indecent ones that worry me...no scratch that i know some very good indecent people, its the dickheads, chavs, and yobites that worry me...=MCHD= arush5268d wrote:
Only scary if you plan on bringing harm to other people! I've never felt threatened by a decent member of society.sfarrar33 wrote:
Texas now seems a lot scarier...
True. But no matter what laws you have, the crooks will always get guns. Washington, DC is the murder capital of the U.S, yet handguns are illegal there. So the honest people don't have the ability to have a handgun, but the bad guys always seem to come up with themsfarrar33 wrote:
true, but its the indecent ones that worry me...no scratch that i know some very good indecent people, its the dickheads, chavs, and yobites that worry me...=MCHD= arush5268d wrote:
Only scary if you plan on bringing harm to other people! I've never felt threatened by a decent member of society.sfarrar33 wrote:
Texas now seems a lot scarier...
A. This is not a "gun law' debate.=MCHD= arush5268d wrote:
True. But no matter what laws you have, the crooks will always get guns. Washington, DC is the murder capital of the U.S, yet handguns are illegal there. So the honest people don't have the ability to have a handgun, but the bad guys always seem to come up with themsfarrar33 wrote:
true, but its the indecent ones that worry me...no scratch that i know some very good indecent people, its the dickheads, chavs, and yobites that worry me...=MCHD= arush5268d wrote:
Only scary if you plan on bringing harm to other people! I've never felt threatened by a decent member of society.
B. Your statement ONLY applies to the USA or '3rd world' countries.
C. Guns are designed to kill, Period. Any other use is idealising or practice for killing.
nah not here, we are more of a knifing people kind of place=MCHD= arush5268d wrote:
True. But no matter what laws you have, the crooks will always get guns. Washington, DC is the murder capital of the U.S, yet handguns are illegal there. So the honest people don't have the ability to have a handgun, but the bad guys always seem to come up with themsfarrar33 wrote:
true, but its the indecent ones that worry me...no scratch that i know some very good indecent people, its the dickheads, chavs, and yobites that worry me...=MCHD= arush5268d wrote:
Only scary if you plan on bringing harm to other people! I've never felt threatened by a decent member of society.
personally i'll stick with having faster reactions than the drunk knife weilding maniac than just murdering them
though an annoying thing is that everyone sort of knows where to find a criminal but for reasons of political correctness and that we have the generic innocent until proven guilty thing (even if its written all over them that they are guilty) nothing much gets done about it.
people not liking Mormons - personally I dont trust anyone that doesnt have vices, or at least wont admit to having any.
If you dont drink,smoke,or look at porn - then I dont trust you - its a failing of mine- also you maybe lying or you have a secret vice that is much worse - in which case I wont be voting for you anyway
On the religion and politics thing - anyone that tells me they are doing something because of "GODs will" or for the sake of GOD - clearly is already delusional and should not be in charge of anything more important than a school tuck shop. Delusional supersitious should not be responsible for nations, armys, nuclear weapons, or operating heavy machinery.... oops too late
If you dont drink,smoke,or look at porn - then I dont trust you - its a failing of mine- also you maybe lying or you have a secret vice that is much worse - in which case I wont be voting for you anyway
On the religion and politics thing - anyone that tells me they are doing something because of "GODs will" or for the sake of GOD - clearly is already delusional and should not be in charge of anything more important than a school tuck shop. Delusional supersitious should not be responsible for nations, armys, nuclear weapons, or operating heavy machinery.... oops too late
That's it right there. Although, I'm not so much sure as to what a school tuck shop is.YunDog wrote:
people not liking Mormons - personally I dont trust anyone that doesnt have vices, or at least wont admit to having any.
If you dont drink,smoke,or look at porn - then I dont trust you - its a failing of mine- also you maybe lying or you have a secret vice that is much worse - in which case I wont be voting for you anyway
On the religion and politics thing - anyone that tells me they are doing something because of "GODs will" or for the sake of GOD - clearly is already delusional and should not be in charge of anything more important than a school tuck shop. Delusional supersitious should not be responsible for nations, armys, nuclear weapons, or operating heavy machinery.... oops too late
a sort of sweet shop in primary and junior schools tends to sell cheap crisps at 10 and 20p=MCHD= arush5268d wrote:
That's it right there. Although, I'm not so much sure as to what a school tuck shop is.YunDog wrote:
people not liking Mormons - personally I dont trust anyone that doesnt have vices, or at least wont admit to having any.
If you dont drink,smoke,or look at porn - then I dont trust you - its a failing of mine- also you maybe lying or you have a secret vice that is much worse - in which case I wont be voting for you anyway
On the religion and politics thing - anyone that tells me they are doing something because of "GODs will" or for the sake of GOD - clearly is already delusional and should not be in charge of anything more important than a school tuck shop. Delusional supersitious should not be responsible for nations, armys, nuclear weapons, or operating heavy machinery.... oops too late
generally stuff that gets you hyper and is full of junk, man i miss them...i dno if they still sell the same stuff or if they have been forced to sell healthy food now.
But basically its optional as to whether a school has one, most kids have packed lunches anyway, and they arn't out to make any money or owned by a particular company.
however not all tuck shops are in schools and the different ones are well different (such as owned by a company and out to make money)
I've heard some strange missionaries, but nothing of that caliber. I suppose if threatening them with the sheriff did no good, then...=MCHD= arush5268d wrote:
I wouldn't try that for your average salesperson...but these guys were quite persistant and refused to leave. They were very adamant that my land was theirs, and that I should leave the property if I didn't want to join their church.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
I can understand vs. breaking and entering, but it's a bit unreasonable to threaten salesmen/missionaries on your porch, even if they are annoying and you do have the right.=MCHD= arush5268d wrote:
Not on your own property At night, for example, you can shoot first and ask questions later if someone breaks into your house.
In public though, it's a different story.
One thing I don't understood about your 'missionaries': if all land is God's, then how does their church lay claim to it?
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Warlord, try getting a non white/ non christian/ catholic running for president... watch what happens.[RDH]Warlord wrote:
Ya'all seem like a bunch of level headed guys. I hope I can count on this question being answered honestly and thoughtfully.
Now, it's possible that a man named Mitt Romney may be running for president (and this hurts me:) for the Republicans. While I would like to vote a "mormon" in, I just can't vote Republican for awhile.
But that's not what I'm here to complain about. What I am here for, is that I suddenly hear that since he is LDS (or mormon, for those who aren't sure) people are automatically turned off from him. Why are people, not just in presidential elections, so anti-Mormon?
I honestly cannot understand why. I am from Utah, which is obviously very much Mormon. I grew up around Mormons, I AM Mormon. Everyone I know is Mormon. And people treat us as if we're Pagans, or actually more like devil worshipers.
That being said, I have to say that anyone Mormon or raised in a Mormon family/area seem by far much more polite and kind than others. We don't have wierd rituals (in fact, you'd almost think I was an atheist, by the way I live and work and play. And what we BELIEVE in isn't more rediculous than other religions. We got a book (through admittedly wierd ways, but so is the bible), that sounds to me like an expansion to the bible. Just more parables, more stories.
Why do people think we are wierd?
It's not just mormons, it's everyone
My best friend married into a mormon family. He himself converted to mormonism. He's still the same person he was before except that he can't drink anymore.
His prior religeon was some type of christian denomination. He'd constantly get harassed for dating a mormon girl when he attended service. His head was filled with the typical propoganda you'd expect from people who don't know anything.
I'm not a religeous person. I have no time to be involved with any religeon. But that doesn't mean I don't like to learn about them. Understanding what mormons believe in made me understand alot of what they were trying to do. I did the same thing when I was stationed in the Middle East. I tried to learn all I could about Islam so I could have the facts.
As for electing a mormon President, I couldn't care a less. Anyone's better than the idiot we have in charge now.
His prior religeon was some type of christian denomination. He'd constantly get harassed for dating a mormon girl when he attended service. His head was filled with the typical propoganda you'd expect from people who don't know anything.
I'm not a religeous person. I have no time to be involved with any religeon. But that doesn't mean I don't like to learn about them. Understanding what mormons believe in made me understand alot of what they were trying to do. I did the same thing when I was stationed in the Middle East. I tried to learn all I could about Islam so I could have the facts.
^^^They drive rude? Sheer brilliance. You've managed to intergrated religeous profiling with how people drive. Amazing. /sarcasmsmtt686 wrote:
My thinly veiled answers, from someone who lives in Utah but is not mormon
1. mormons are rude. No if's ands or buts about it. They do NOT say thank you for anything except at church
2. They drive rude (thats why you don't use your blinker until the last minute). good luck if you ever pull out of a parking lot and need to get over 2 lanes. No one can ever get in front of you since I-15 is a race track, not a highway!
3. If your not mormon, you don't matter (except the week after general conference when they church president reminds you this is the way it should be)
As for electing a mormon President, I couldn't care a less. Anyone's better than the idiot we have in charge now.