BF2S Forums *Thinly veiled Mormon question*

So, you, yourself, do you feel that Mormons are weird?  are Strange?  Would you vote against Romney BECAUSE he's Mormon?  I must just be trying to find someone who does, and ask him "why" he thinks so.  I'm so insanely curious...

Sorry that some guys are jerks.  But then, you find jerks in most religions.  I just hate how people swoop in on the few bad apples and say "SEE?  THEY'RE NOT ALL POWERFUL. HE'S A MORMON, SO THEY MUST ALL ACT THIS WAY!"

I do have to say, that i don't exactly side with Romney on all sides.  I don't see why people have to take such a solid stance YES or NO on so many things.  Where's the presidential candidate that says, about abortion: "MAYBE!"

Personally, I don't really think Mormons are weird in the sense that they believe in weird stuff, thats pretty much the definition of religion.  Most of the Mormons I know (and believe me there are a ton of Mormons where I live) just walk around like they are better than everyone else.  It's really annoying....  No offense or anything, just something I've noticed.

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

[RDH]Warlord wrote:

Would you vote against ______ BECAUSE he's Mormon?

Nope. Same doesn't apply for everyone else, though.

CommieChipmunk wrote:

Most of the Mormons I know (and believe me there are a ton of Mormons where I live) just walk around like they are better than everyone else.  It's really annoying....

It's a trait shared by more religious folks than Mormons.

yes and no...

CommieChipmunk wrote:

Personally, I don't really think Mormons are weird in the sense that they believe in weird stuff, thats pretty much the definition of religion.  Most of the Mormons I know (and believe me there are a ton of Mormons where I live) just walk around like they are better than everyone else.  It's really annoying....  No offense or anything, just something I've noticed.

Some here.

O and they dont stick around to hear your side of things, they didnt want to hear what I had to say.

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CommieChipmunk wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

[RDH]Warlord wrote:

Would you vote against ______ BECAUSE he's Mormon?

Nope. Same doesn't apply for everyone else, though.

CommieChipmunk wrote:

Most of the Mormons I know (and believe me there are a ton of Mormons where I live) just walk around like they are better than everyone else.  It's really annoying....

It's a trait shared by more religious folks than Mormons.

yes and no...

Yes and no...to what?

Mormons believe in their religion so much that they want others to at least hear the word.  That way we can say we tried to let you know, but we still respect your own choice.  These guys give up two years of their lives to go live in another town (usually) entirely, most often out of country, to talk to people.  While it lets people know the word, it also makes the person them self a better person.

They're not out there to start up a debate in religion.  It's like asking a door-to-door salesman if they want to buy your homemade goods.  They're not going door-to-door looking for a change in religion, so when you offer, they of course turn you down.  Keep in mind, these people are teh most dedicated to the religion.

I don't have anything against other religions.  In fact, since I'm so isolated, when I met a Jew at work, I was fascinated by him.  I have nothing against a person's belief.  My best friend's wife is a pagan (I was surprised to find out it had nothing to do with devil worshiping).

As for the book being written by a person, so what?  So was the bible.  If you claim that the bible was inspired by real events, then you don't know the bible.  The bible is just stories that were handed down orally for generations before someone finally wrote it down, translated, retranslated, copied, translated again, then interpreted by someone, then... etc.

[RDH]Warlord wrote:

Mormons believe in their religion so much that they want others to at least hear the word.  That way we can say we tried to let you know, but we still respect your own choice.  These guys give up two years of their lives to go live in another town (usually) entirely, most often out of country, to talk to people.  While it lets people know the word, it also makes the person them self a better person.

They're not out there to start up a debate in religion.  It's like asking a door-to-door salesman if they want to buy your homemade goods.  They're not going door-to-door looking for a change in religion, so when you offer, they of course turn you down.  Keep in mind, these people are teh most dedicated to the religion.

I don't have a problem with people wanting to talk to others about their religion, but I do have a problem with people knocking on my door to do so. To use your annalogy of a door-to-door salesman, I never buy anything from a door-to-door salesman, and I resent the intrusion. If I wanted a new [insert bs product here] I'd go to the shop and buy one. Same with religion, if I wanted a new one I'd go to the church.

I think alot of people think mormons and JWs are wierd because they don't understand them, but also they resent them because they intrude on them by knocking on their door to "bible bash" them. It's not that people have a problem with people having a particular belief, it's just that they don't like people trying to push it on them.

I live in Australia and I have absolutely no idea what our Prime Minister's religious beliefs are, and I'm happy to keep it that way. I'd hate to live in a country where the leaded of the government wanted everyone in the country to join their religion.

So to answer your question, I can't vote for him to become the US president because I'm not American, but if I was I would only consider voting for him if I knew he wouldn't use the position to promote his beliefs any more than anyone else would. And then only if I wanted to vote republican.

In Taiwan there are a few Mormons that hang around my bus stop, and poor old Jeffrey the fat was carrying an English literature text book. After that, the Mormons would hang around him after school talking about god, then Jeffrey one day ran really fast that the Mormons couldn't catch him. When I see Mormons I just say "ALLAH ACKBAR MUHHAMED JIHAD!"

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Even if I was a social conservative and Mormon, I wouldn't be Republican for that very prejudice.

What would you be, then?

It's a bit like a Star Wars question. Do you go Rebel, Empire, or Jabba the Hutt?

LOL...  I'd probably be an Independent.  Either that or a right-leaning Libertarian.

It's an interesting question.  Don't get me wrong...  I realize that some Republicans are open-minded about Mormonism.  Obviously, a Republican like Orrin Hatch is favorable to Mormonism, being one himself.

I guess the point I'm trying to make is that Mormons should be careful which Republicans they support.  There seem to be a significant number of them that probably inwardly laugh at the support they get from Mormons, when they consider the prejudice they might have for them.

It would appear that a lot of evangelical Christians (who tend to be Republican) are highly prejudiced toward Mormons.  Most of the ones I've mentioned Mormonism too (in passing during discussions about religion) seemed to visibly laugh or even shudder at the word.  I'm guessing a lot of evangelicals see Mormonism as a ripoff of their religion.

That being said, I would guess someone like Trent Lott probably doesn't care for Mormons in general (given his background).  Although, he probably gets along just fine with Orrin Hatch, since I would assume they know each other personally.

I would assume the more secular Republicans would be more open or indifferent toward Mormonism, because they aren't likely to hold strong opinions about religion.  So, I suppose those are the kinds of Republicans that Mormons should probably look to for support in their party.

Fujin wrote:

As someone who lives in Utah and is not LDS / Mormon, I can lightly say that they are not my favorite people on the whole...had some very bad experiences with a few in particular when I first moved here.  Was it prejudice?  It sure felt like it.  LDS people are predominantly white...as a kid growing up in Phoenix and having some Hawaiian background, I was very...very tan when I first moved here.  I and my wife were treated...shall I say...questionably, by several LDS people...which really annoyed the hell out of me considering they tout themselves as being Christians full of "love" for all mankind.  Over the next several years, I for the most part lost my very dark tan, my mustache grew in very thick and so now I have been told I look more Italian than Hawaiian...haven't had an issue with mormons since.  For the most part, since living here the past 18 years, I can conclude that other than some specific quirks related to their religion and beliefs, they are just people like any other...and we can all be assholes every now and then.

One thing that remains a stain on the reputation of Mormons is that they didn't officially allow blacks and many other non-whites into their faith until around the 1960s.  It doesn't surprise me that many would still have prejudices in their own right.

It's kind of ironic how marginalized groups discriminate against each other, oftentimes.  You would think the prejudice that Mormons had to deal with themselves over the last century would have inspired them to be more open about race earlier.

Then again, this same irony has been shown to be true of minorities and their perception of homosexuals.  Various polls have suggested that black people are more against the idea of gay marriage than white people are.  Ironic, eh?...

lol, yeah, very ironic.
I'm not sure if I was looked at as black...I wasn't that dark, I always assumed that they thought of me as Polynesian or something.  Which led me to think, "wtf"?  The LDS faith has a very large Tongan and Samoan following...and it is evident here in Utah.  Take a look at their University football teams (BYU, USU, UofU, etc.), some of their most dominant players are either Tongan or Samoan.  There are large Tongan and Samoan communities here...and my wife and I were called (negatively I might add) an "inter-racial couple"...?  I guess some of the narrow-minded folk believed that race should stick to race...:S...whatever.  My response to some of those negative comments (which probably didn't go over very well with some of them I sure) was "look, dickhead...my ass is as white as yours" as I proceeded to give them a full moon

But yeah...I certainly have no animosity towards the LDS people.  Some of my closest friends and acquaintances are LDS and besides a few differences in opinion and beliefs, we are all the same.  Which I guess is my point...people, no matter what color/religion/race/etc. are people...it's up to us as individuals to get over the diversity.

[RDH]Warlord wrote:

Ya'all seem like a bunch of level headed guys.  I hope I can count on this question being answered honestly and thoughtfully.

Now, it's possible that a man named Mitt Romney may be running for president (and this hurts me:) for the Republicans.  While I would like to vote a "mormon" in, I just can't vote Republican for awhile.

But that's not what I'm here to complain about.  What I am here for, is that I suddenly hear that since he is LDS (or mormon, for those who aren't sure) people are automatically turned off from him.  Why are people, not just in presidential elections, so anti-Mormon?

I honestly cannot understand why.  I am from Utah, which is obviously very much Mormon.  I grew up around Mormons, I AM Mormon.  Everyone I know is Mormon.  And people treat us as if we're Pagans, or actually more like devil worshipers.

That being said, I have to say that anyone Mormon or raised in a Mormon family/area seem by far much more polite and kind than others.  We don't have wierd rituals (in fact, you'd almost think I was an atheist, by the way I live and work and play.  And what we BELIEVE in isn't more rediculous than other religions.  We got a book (through admittedly wierd ways, but so is the bible), that sounds to me like an expansion to the bible.  Just more parables, more stories.

Why do people think we are wierd?

Your not wierd, its people like my dad who has 3 wives and 32 kids; their the fucking weirdos.
You, probably don't know all that much about the history of your own religion, like most Mormons.