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NeoCommander wrote:

Lately I've developed my own view on religion; 

I do believe God exists, there is no other way to explain why we are here, but here's how I look at it:  There are probably 1,000's of religions out there, and in each one, they think they are the correct one, yet in every religion I look into, there is nothing but corruptness in each of them, the support wars, voting, homosexuality, they twist the Bible/Quran/Book of Mormon - to degrees unimaginable... It's sickening. 

God simply cannot fit in one religion, How can a fair God, bless one religion, and completely screw everyone else in eternal damnation in hell?  What IF they were good, sinless people, but they just happened to be a catholic and the Pentecostals turned out to be the right religion?  Does that seem fair?

sfarrar33 wrote:

NeoCommander wrote:

Lately I've developed my own view on religion; 

I do believe God exists, there is no other way to explain why we are here, but here's how I look at it:  There are probably 1,000's of religions out there, and in each one, they think they are the correct one, yet in every religion I look into, there is nothing but corruptness in each of them, the support wars, voting, homosexuality, they twist the Bible/Quran/Book of Mormon - to degrees unimaginable... It's sickening. 

God simply cannot fit in one religion, How can a fair God, bless one religion, and completely screw everyone else in eternal damnation in hell?  What IF they were good, sinless people, but they just happened to be a catholic and the Pentecostals turned out to be the right religion?  Does that seem fair?

wait... you didn't finish your point...
organised religion = corruption
well done you've finally cottoned on to that have a cookie
but in what respect do you believe god exists? (you know, force for good, doesn't care, mysterious ways etc etc bible etc)

NeoCommander wrote:

BALTINS wrote:

Infidel..

I thought the "serous discussion" thread was about Serous discussion, not 1 word Spam.

NeoCommander wrote:

Lately I've developed my own view on religion; 

I do believe God exists, there is no other way to explain why we are here, but here's how I look at it:  There are probably 1,000's of religions out there, and in each one, they think they are the correct one, yet in every religion I look into, there is nothing but corruptness in each of them, the support wars, voting, homosexuality, they twist the Bible/Quran/Book of Mormon - to degrees unimaginable... It's sickening. 

God simply cannot fit in one religion, How can a fair God, bless one religion, and completely screw everyone else in eternal damnation in hell?  What IF they were good, sinless people, but they just happened to be a catholic and the Pentecostals turned out to be the right religion?  Does that seem fair?

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2006-12-30 19:09:45)

[F7F7]KiNG_KaDaFFHi wrote:

Let´s put it this way...all religions suck.

sfarrar33 wrote:

NeoCommander wrote:

sfarrar33 wrote:

wait... you didn't finish your point...
organised religion = corruption
well done you've finally cottoned on to that have a cookie
but in what respect do you believe god exists? (you know, force for good, doesn't care, mysterious ways etc etc bible etc)

I think God created earth and inspired man to write the bible, but in the end, we all totally fucked up it's interpretations.  I never read in the bible "the Christan's are right"  or "build a true religion for me"

ah my views are similar but i differ in that i do not believe god ever said (or meant or inspired) that the bible, Koran, or any other holy book/scripture should be written.

I can't really answer your questions but i can say where the corruption comes from
and thats two things:
The first things easy, its simple uselessness, like why is homosexuality not talked about in the bible? well it either subtly is with the whole 'love thy brother' stuff, or simply that when the bible was written homosexuality was not an issue in the slightest, or even thought of. No problems at the time of publishing but centuries on from them it means that people fill in the blanks with things like, "the bible doesn't say it's right therefore it isn't right"

The second thing is small mindedness and usefulness, the bible doesn't state most things obviously so people use the various interpretations of what it says to get what they want done. After all it is much easier to convince people to start a war when its God's will that war be started. the small minded aspect comes into it but altered so that the line i said above would read "I don't agree with homosexuality, and the bible doesn't say it's right therefore it isn't right" and of course the emphasis comes after the comma so that people forget what you said before the comma.

They seem similar and they are i spose, but the difference is intentions, the first form of corruption isn't intended its a simple interpretaion (or missinterpretation) of what the bible says, the second thing is deliberataly done to get something done and at the time the consequences arn't thought of (because they never are...)

Turquoise wrote:

You know...  Things are a lot simpler when you pick atheism.  Decide your own morality -- it's usually a lot more rewarding in a personal sense if you can honestly say that you have defined your own set of morals without having to use some questionably accurate book to follow it.

Last edited by NeoCommander (2006-12-30 20:09:04)

Turquoise wrote:

NeoCommander wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

You know...  Things are a lot simpler when you pick atheism.  Decide your own morality -- it's usually a lot more rewarding in a personal sense if you can honestly say that you have defined your own set of morals without having to use some questionably accurate book to follow it.

Artists deny that God exists, therefore they know he exists, but deny it. 

I believe there's a God, and, if he's truly an understanding being, he wouldn't send me to 'hell' for banging a chick or smoking lol.

I'm not sure about artists, but atheists reject the idea that a god exists.  I suppose you could call that a denial.

It's important to remember that, just because you think something exists, it doesn't necessarily exist in reality.

By the same token, I'm willing to accept the possibility that I'm wrong as well.  For all I know, the evangelical Christians could be right.  Religion is a complete shot in the dark, which is why I chose atheism.  Technically, you could call it a religion, but it's a religion that is based on the principle of Occam's Razor.  If you cannot prove something, then I will not believe in it.  It doesn't work the other way around.  I don't have to prove that God doesn't exist, but if you believe in a god, then logically, you must have some way to prove its existence.

This principle is similar to the idea of innocent until proven guilty.

_j5689_ wrote:

All I can say is that Iraq is most definately worshiping the wrong god.  What retards.

Turquoise wrote:

NeoCommander wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

I'm not sure about artists, but atheists reject the idea that a god exists.  I suppose you could call that a denial.

It's important to remember that, just because you think something exists, it doesn't necessarily exist in reality.

By the same token, I'm willing to accept the possibility that I'm wrong as well.  For all I know, the evangelical Christians could be right.  Religion is a complete shot in the dark, which is why I chose atheism.  Technically, you could call it a religion, but it's a religion that is based on the principle of Occam's Razor.  If you cannot prove something, then I will not believe in it.  It doesn't work the other way around.  I don't have to prove that God doesn't exist, but if you believe in a god, then logically, you must have some way to prove its existence.

This principle is similar to the idea of innocent until proven guilty.

You make an excellent point.  Sorry for the spelling error, I think I've had one to many beers. 

But tell me, if you deny God's existence, how are we here?

Heh...  I'll probably be doing plenty of drinking tomorrow night myself, so cheers... 

As far as how we got here is concerned, I don't know.  Scientifically, evolution seems to be our best guess, and the Big Bang seems like a pretty logical theory.  For the time being, I support those two ideas as the truth.  Granted, I realize that it is in the nature of science to change with time.  We'll probably have more advanced and better ideas in the future.

Anyway, as far as why we are here....  Who knows?  Comprehending whatever created the Big Bang to begin with seems rather.... abstract, to say the least.  I'd rather go through life uncertain about these things than commit to an idea that is likely to be very flawed.  What keeps me from being a true agnostic is that, for all practical purposes, we seem to live in a godless world.  I don't get any sense that there is some greater being watching over us.  I don't believe in karma or in any divine benevolent (or malevolent) force beyond what we experience in this world.

So, in short, I can't tell you why or how we are here.  I think what becomes more important in life is what we make of it.  As a species, we collectively decide what justice and corruption are.  In a way, we are collectively our own god, so to speak.