Turquoise
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UON wrote:

Mason4Assassin444 wrote:

New Hampshire and Washington still have hanging as an option.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article … mp;did=245
As an option... (allegedly) painless alternatives are available... since it's their "dying wish" to be hung, that's more respectful than forcing a person who'd rather not risk slowly choking to death to do so.  It's certainly enough of a loophole as far as the human rights conventions go.
I understand where you're coming from, but I believe eye for an eye works well with murderous dictators...  I think Saddam's actions have exempted him from any sort of humane treatment.  I realize that probably violates some international law, but I really don't care.

I support the human rights of ordinary people, not murderers.
Dimeyard
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But if that murderer was your own brother? Would you still want him dead?
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6834|North Carolina

Dimeyard wrote:

But if that murderer was your own brother? Would you still want him dead?
If he gassed thousands of people, yes.
darthazeem
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Well I dont speak for Bush but I do for me and I dont hate all Muslims I have great respect for the religion.   I hope Bush does'nt think that way but if he does all we can do is pray for him that he might change his views.  This is a very tough topic to talk about with anyone because of all of the varying views.  I just saw on Larry King Live a survivor of the Halajba incident where he gassed the thousands of Kurds is not happy about him being excuted but now feels some closure and justice for her family that died in the incident.  Just a different opinion or at least mine.  I would not want my brother to die but if he killed and committed Genocide then I would feel happy that justice was served, I would still Love my brother but I would feel better that justice was served.

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lowing
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CameronPoe wrote:

As Stephen Colbert might put it - the US will soon be responding to criticism with another of the 'most powerfully staged photo-ops in the world!'

Welcome to martyrdom Saddam.

PS Did anyone see reports of Saddam urging Iraqis to differentiate between ordinary decent Americans and their 'evil' leaders?
Yeah right after he urged all Iraqis to put aside their differences and come together as one....Your point???
darthazeem
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The Execution is under way now and it will occur in miniutes.  Pictures are CONFIRMED to be released after the Execution.

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lowing
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darthazeem wrote:

Well I dont speak for Bush but I do for me and I dont hate all Muslims I have great respect for the religion.   I hope Bush does'nt think that way but if he does all we can do is pray for him that he might change his views.  This is a very tough topic to talk about with anyone because of all of the varying views.  I just saw on Larry King Live a survivor of the Halajba incident where he gassed the thousands of Kurds is not happy about him being excuted but now feels some closure and justice for her family that died in the incident.  Just a different opinion or at least mine.

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Do tell what it is about Islam that you hold in such high regard. Is it::

1. The way they treat their women and hold them as inferior?

2. Their intolerance of others

3. The violence they project around the world over stupid cartoons

4. The lack of speaking out by moderate Muslims about the hijacking of their so called peaceful religion to tote the banner for killing THE REST OF US.
darthazeem
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I respect the religion, not the fundamentalism that is what you are describing.  Good muslims are just that.  Talk to the muslims that live here in america they dont act like that.  There is a new state rep. that is a muslim and I'm almost certain he doesnt act like or believe in such ways.

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ThaReaper
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Saddam May Be Hanged In Minutes!

Better get my popcorn! this is like counting down for the ball to drop on new years!

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Sgt.Kyle
Kyle
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He gonna get hanged any minute now.
Turquoise
O Canada
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lowing wrote:

darthazeem wrote:

Well I dont speak for Bush but I do for me and I dont hate all Muslims I have great respect for the religion.   I hope Bush does'nt think that way but if he does all we can do is pray for him that he might change his views.  This is a very tough topic to talk about with anyone because of all of the varying views.  I just saw on Larry King Live a survivor of the Halajba incident where he gassed the thousands of Kurds is not happy about him being excuted but now feels some closure and justice for her family that died in the incident.  Just a different opinion or at least mine.

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Do tell what it is about Islam that you hold in such high regard. Is it::

1. The way they treat their women and hold them as inferior?

2. Their intolerance of others

3. The violence they project around the world over stupid cartoons

4. The lack of speaking out by moderate Muslims about the hijacking of their so called peaceful religion to tote the banner for killing THE REST OF US.
Good points...  I'll put it this way...  I have respect for the liberal and pro-Western Muslims who mostly immigrate here and into the rest of the West.

But yeah, it's hard for me to respect their ultraconservative members.  I can't really say that I respect the traditionalists....
Dimeyard
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So Muslims don´t, and Americas do have tolerance of others?
That´s a new thing

And fundamentalistic ideas isn´t just for muslims, it goes for christians too.
George W Bush, claimed to fight in the name of God.
What´s the difference between fighting in the name of Allah or God?

Last edited by Dimeyard (2006-12-29 19:06:27)

darthazeem
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CONFIRMED Saddam is dead. Outside of the Green Zone


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Turquoise
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Dimeyard wrote:

So Muslims don´t, and Americas do have tolerance of others?
That´s a new thing

And fundamentalistic ideas isn´t just for muslims, it goes for christians too.
George W Bush, claimed to fight in the name of God.
What´s the difference between fighting in the name of Allah or God?
We're generally less brutal about it.  We don't behead people or intentionally kill civilians.

There are a lot of differences between American extremists and Muslim ones.  I say American, because the extremism in America is less based on religion than it is on nationalism.

You're correct in implying that Americans aren't as tolerant as we sometimes wish we were.  You have to admit that being tolerant of intolerant people (Muslim extremists, for example) is difficult though....
Sgt.Kyle
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darthazeem wrote:

CONFIRMED Saddam is dead. Outside of the Green Zone


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[F7F7]KiNG_KaDaFFHi
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lowing....you are confusing the religion islam with the leaders of the ones that follow islam...just as many muslims doo with Bush and christians....can´t you see? Also islam are just as christianity...it too can be abused for bad meanings. It´s very easy to focus on the bad things when war and hate are involved.
Dimeyard
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Turquoise wrote:

Dimeyard wrote:

So Muslims don´t, and Americas do have tolerance of others?
That´s a new thing

And fundamentalistic ideas isn´t just for muslims, it goes for christians too.
George W Bush, claimed to fight in the name of God.
What´s the difference between fighting in the name of Allah or God?
We're generally less brutal about it.  We don't behead people or intentionally kill civilians.

There are a lot of differences between American extremists and Muslim ones.  I say American, because the extremism in America is less based on religion than it is on nationalism.

You're correct in implying that Americans aren't as tolerant as we sometimes wish we were.  You have to admit that being tolerant of intolerant people (Muslim extremists, for example) is difficult though....
I believe that they are thinking exactly the same about us.
However, Islam is infact a very beautiful religion. All religions get bad if they are missused.
Don´t we forget that Christians did forbid slavery first until the middle of 20th century.
And why not look at this site http://www.godhatesfags.com or http://www.godhatessweden.com
Would this site exist if it was a muslim fundamenalist? No, it would be treated as national threat against the U.S.
Master*
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Sgt.Kyle wrote:

darthazeem wrote:

CONFIRMED Saddam is dead. Outside of the Green Zone


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ATG
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I dunno, somehow, this whole thing makes me feel uneasy.
The realities of war I guess, the losers generals get hung.

I think of a short dictator from France who lived out his life  in exile.
Which would have been more productive; to hang him or exile him???
Turquoise
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Dimeyard wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Dimeyard wrote:

So Muslims don´t, and Americas do have tolerance of others?
That´s a new thing

And fundamentalistic ideas isn´t just for muslims, it goes for christians too.
George W Bush, claimed to fight in the name of God.
What´s the difference between fighting in the name of Allah or God?
We're generally less brutal about it.  We don't behead people or intentionally kill civilians.

There are a lot of differences between American extremists and Muslim ones.  I say American, because the extremism in America is less based on religion than it is on nationalism.

You're correct in implying that Americans aren't as tolerant as we sometimes wish we were.  You have to admit that being tolerant of intolerant people (Muslim extremists, for example) is difficult though....
I believe that they are thinking exactly the same about us.
However, Islam is infact a very beautiful religion. All religions get bad if they are missused.
Don´t we forget that Christians did forbid slavery first until the middle of 20th century.
And why not look at this site http://www.godhatesfags.com or http://www.godhatessweden.com
Would this site exist if it was a muslim fundamenalist? No, it would be treated as national threat against the U.S.
I know what you mean, but I think the fundamentalism of Islam is way more destructive than at least the American form within Christianity.  I'm aware that some crazy things are going on in Africa by various religious groups, but I don't see how you're even comparing American Christian fundamentalism to groups like Hezbollah.

To me, it's no contest.  Islam is currently the religion that is most plagued by extremism (at least murderous extremism).  I'm not saying that the average Muslim is that way, but Islamic extremists bother me a lot more than any other type of extremist.  I think 9/11 is a good reason for that concern.
darthazeem
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Saddam Hussein in exile after being deposed from power would be such a victory and you would still have the current civil war that is going on by Saddam via a proxy and I think that most would agree that this situation could easily unfold.   Today is alot different from the times of Napoleon and extremist muslims (i.e. Saddam Hussien) in these times dont just simply walk away.  Case in point Osama Bin Laden who is running Al-Qaeda via proxy El-Zawahri who is on all of the recent (6 mos) tapes that are released.

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[F7F7]KiNG_KaDaFFHi
Why walk when you can dance?
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This spoken of short dictator actually was placed on the same island twice...soo I guess it really wasn´t a good idea back then ....since he got back to power once again...and yet again threw europe into war.

Saddam had his chances already...perhaps it would have been stoopid to give him even a glimse at another one. But I feel you ATG....something just don´t feel right.
lowing
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Dimeyard wrote:

So Muslims don´t, and Americas do have tolerance of others?
That´s a new thing

And fundamentalistic ideas isn´t just for muslims, it goes for christians too.
George W Bush, claimed to fight in the name of God.
What´s the difference between fighting in the name of Allah or God?
There no other country on Earth more tolerent and accepting than America, Hell we will even change OUR traditions and customs as to make sure YOU are not offended when you get here.
darthazeem
Member
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The uneasy feeling is the retribution that will occur against American interests on a world wide scale but mostly against our troops in the war zones and God forbid they decide to take this to us here in the US.  I am ungodly surprised that the same type of suicide bombings that occur in Israel all the time and in Iraq hasnt happened here at home yet.  Give it a matter of time im sure it will happen and then God help us all.

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lowing
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[F7F7]KiNG_KaDaFFHi wrote:

lowing....you are confusing the religion islam with the leaders of the ones that follow islam...just as many muslims doo with Bush and christians....can´t you see? Also islam are just as christianity...it too can be abused for bad meanings. It´s very easy to focus on the bad things when war and hate are involved.
Focus on the BAD THINGS?! Please tell me a positive things about Islam and its views of the west that is GOOD!.

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