ROLFMr.H@x0r wrote:
enemy school teacher spotted!
Poll
Should schoolteachers carry guns?
| Yes | 18% | 18% - 39 | ||||
| No | 81% | 81% - 172 | ||||
| Total: 211 | ||||||
Thats a little bit too heavy my friend.Who should carry that ugly thing?TodErnst wrote:
Yeah i think every teacher should have an atom-bomb
Last edited by Johnathan.Heart (2006-12-25 18:02:19)
No, too much temptation to USE them.
'Jimmy, you haven't done your homework AGAIN!'
"Dog ate it sir."
'THAT does it! I have HAD it with you and not doing your homework!'
*blam blam blam*
'Jimmy, you haven't done your homework AGAIN!'
"Dog ate it sir."
'THAT does it! I have HAD it with you and not doing your homework!'
*blam blam blam*
Nobody, absolutely nobody should. They have, and must modify the constitution and bar people from having the right to bear arms.
In your first paragraph you say that its the person behind the guns fault, well as true as that may be isn't it also true that a person with a gun as opposed to his fists could do more damage. The point here is that the gun is a means to an end, if you take away the means(gun) the end(school shootings) cant be accomplished.HammerID wrote:
I am just going to respond to both here, killing two birds with one stone so to speak. = )Scorpion0x17 wrote:
Exactly my point.BF2Craglyeye wrote:
But violence in general will happen.
What we are talking about is GUN RELATED VIOLENCE, look up the stats, a country with gun control is more likely to have lesser numbers than a country without it. Coincidence I think not.But it's not a "lame ass argument" - the data on gun-related crime clearly shows that you get greater levels of gun-crime (commited by those of all age groups) in countries/areas in which access to fire-arms is easier, than in those where it isn't.<[onex]>Headstone wrote:
FFS Answer the question instead of bringing up this same lame ass argument. We have the Privilege to bear arms so lets deal with that OK? Now the question was, "Should teachers be allowed to carry guns" Yes or No. Yee fucking Ha that your country doesn't have that privilege, But we do, and Some of us Cherish that right, not just for the purpose of defense. I Hunt to supplement for what i cant afford in Beef during the winter months. So this Privilege is very Important to me personally!
I'm not saying that you shouldn't be allowed to go out hunting to feed you family - of course, where neccessary that should be allowed - but having 'the right to bear arms' enshrined in your constitution has clearly encouraged a 'gun culture' within the US and it is this that is the root cause for the high level of gun crime (amongst all age groups) in your country.
Gun related violence, while gruesome and horrible, is still the fault of the person standing behind the gun. I did manage to find a few items. This link show 2005 aggravated assault in the us http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/offenses/ … table.html
Interesting to note that hands/feet are used more than guns. If you look around that site you can find 2004 statistics. Guns used as the weapons type did increase 1.7%, but in years prior to 2004 it was lower. Small fluctuations are going to happen. As the average over several years the crime rate, with all types of weapons not just guns, is dropping not raising.
While I couldn't find much information on Britain's crime rates, I am at work and lunch is almost over, I did find what was the "last straw" and prompted Britain's to ban all guns. The draconian gun ban in 1997 was from a school shooting, but has it made Britain more safe since? Several web pages that google turned up were from reports that could be questioned so i will not post them. All of them have said the same common point, that crime is rising in Britain not getting better. Coincidence I think not (couldn't help but use your wording!)
<[onex]>Headstone, I am not sure if that was directed all at me. I did vote, it is in paragraph two. I voted no. While there is a place and time to enjoy shooting/hunting a school is NOT the place to do that.
Scorpion0x17, I must disagree that having the 2nd amendment is the root cause of gun violence. I read in a stat somewhere while researching that 80% of guns used in gun related crimes were acquired illegally. The concept behind the 2nd amendment was to guarantee the populace that when tyrannical government were ever to evolve that we had the means to replace them and instill a new government. Just like what happened back in 1776. Since that time guns and hunting have become our heritage. It is an activity that a majority of US citizens participate in.
As in my original post, I think the answer is with better rearing of children in the home. I would even venture a guess as moral decay having a greater impact on violent gun crime than the 2nd amendment.
Also you state that gun crime is going down, well what better way to encourage this trend then to take away the guns.
Second paragraph, if you cant cite legitimate sources then you have no grounds to make an argument.
Last you say that we have our guns because they have a deep traditional heritage that has become part of our heritage, if my memory serves me right wasn't slavery part of our heritage and, it certainly was an activity that alot of members like to participate in, but does that make it just? I think we all know the answer to that one.
In conclusion I agree with you in that parents should take higher responsibility when it comes to guns, however we cannot currently implement such laws as they would be nearly impossible to enforce. So it is logical to say if we cannot enforce the familial aspect then we must enforce(ban) the gun aspect.
Hell fucking no.Masques wrote:
Not only no, but hell no.
wow...bad idea
To be honest, some inner city schools might need an armed faculty....
Armed guards, perhaps, but surely not the faculty???Turquoise wrote:
To be honest, some inner city schools might need an armed faculty....
True...apollo_fi wrote:
Armed guards, perhaps, but surely not the faculty???Turquoise wrote:
To be honest, some inner city schools might need an armed faculty....
I believe I voted 'no' long ago. If teachers were armed, then they would be bigger targets for theft. Club them on the back of the head while their back is turned, seize their handgun, and you have your self a nice little shooting thanks do [sarcasm]Doom[/sarcasm].
unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Single exits and locked doors are invitations for fire code violations.Winston_Churchill wrote:
No, I mean the school - as in the brick walls with the metal doors - should be locked at all times so that nobody without a key (or maybe only unlock after and before school) can get inside the actual building. I think this would be the most effective way to stop people from coming in with guns and other weapons without having metal detectors and the like.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Unlocked from the inside, you mean? Still not going to stop a kid from entering a playground through or over a fence.
Another thing that works, even though I don't like it, is uniforms. When there is someone from outside the school inside our school they stand out immidately in the crowd.
Like I said, these are not foolproof methods but they should provide more safety and security inside schools
Though they can be held open from the inside easily. A block of wood could do it, if a student's only going to be out for a minute. A system like this was in place at my high school, but there were ways around it. School uniforms can also be imitated, and if you already have one you don't even need to fake it. If you wanted a stabbing weapon, you could take a chunk of fiberglass, wood, or a broken piece of glass. You don't have to use metal.Winston_Churchill wrote:
Aargh, listen!! I said that the doors should be locked so that they cannot be opened from the outside, but can be on the insideunnamednewbie13 wrote:
Single exits and locked doors are invitations for fire code violations.
So...you're saying that there have been no school shootings/killings in the UK?Scorpion0x17 wrote:
Like I said, I come from a country where that (the right to bear arms) is not the case and I can't remember the last time some kid shot their classmates in this country, so what would I know...unnamednewbie13 wrote:
The Anarchist's Cookbook doesn't require guns, scooter. Wouldn't it be better to attack the source of the angst?Scorpion0x17 wrote:
Another preventative measure would be to not have the right to bear arms written into the constitution.
But I come from a country where that's not the case and I can't remember the last time some kid shot their classmates in this country, so what would I know.
Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2006-12-25 19:53:07)
if teachers are scared of students they should have sex with them and film it so we can all enjoy school a little bit more. all u need in these inner city schools is hot slutty teachers and i know for a fact the attendance will be 100% and the crime rate would drop.
im actually serious about this and if you think about it it would solve the issue
im actually serious about this and if you think about it it would solve the issue
Fucking stupid idea, only increase the number of gun deaths in America.
I think America really needs to get a bit more serious about school shootings.
We've had one in the last 10 or so years - and that one was HUGE news here. And you guys have THREE IN A MONTH?!
Yes, I know your population is bigger, but gee...
We've had one in the last 10 or so years - and that one was HUGE news here. And you guys have THREE IN A MONTH?!
Yes, I know your population is bigger, but gee...
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
if that was what would happen i would have been dead about 5 years agodoctastrangelove1964 wrote:
Then they could shoot kids who don't do homework.
The examples they gave was of one country that is currently a war zone, and the other, that just had armed guards, and has regular bombings. The US falls under neither category. How utterly hilarious.
All non-criminals should have the right to carry firearms...even schoolteachers!
Especially if they work in a "high crime area".
Especially if they work in a "high crime area".
I've never even seen a cop here carrying a gun, so no.
Not that I can recall.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
So...you're saying that there have been no school shootings/killings in the UK?Scorpion0x17 wrote:
Like I said, I come from a country where that (the right to bear arms) is not the case and I can't remember the last time some kid shot their classmates in this country, so what would I know...unnamednewbie13 wrote:
The Anarchist's Cookbook doesn't require guns, scooter. Wouldn't it be better to attack the source of the angst?
In fact I just plugged "School Shooting UK" into google and - 1,370,000 hits - only looked at the first two pages (I'm not wading through all of them) - plenty of pages about places where one can learn to shoot, some pages about shootings in schools in the US and Germany.
Not one about shootings in schools in the UK.
Make of that what you will.
What a bright idea!, a student would find it and start killing off his fellow class mates, +1 to you for being a complete arsehole
Too much risk if you ask me. Attack the teacher, take his gun, shoot everyone, reload, continue. Sorry, but I don't want Kid Emo going Pwned.nl on my class cause the teacher gave him an F.
As for that guy who said "Would you want to die in a school shooting"? I think it'd be leet if it happened like this:
2 kids go on school shooting. Nobody's killed, a few non-critically injured. One has a pistol, the other a MAC-11. Me and some really hot chick are hiding in a closet. We express our deep love for each other and decide to screw like it's Judgement Day cause we think we're all gonna die (there's been LOTS of shots fired and lots of screams so anyone still alive thinks those folks are dead). Then I decide enough's enough, the cops are being fucking pussies. So I sneak out after giving the chick one last huge kiss and see the two shooters in the library, planning something. They start heading off in seperate directions, so I jump at the kid with a pistol and knock him out, he yells when I hit him. His buddy turns around, sees me, and begins unloading at me. I turn around in the nick of time and the bullets riddle his friend, killing him. I make my way to the kid as he reloads and fires more shots, all missing. I put a piece of metal in his head and both shooters are done.
I drop the kid as I feel weak. Oh shit! A bullet went through the kid I grabbed and hit a vital part of my stomach (idk, liver or something?). I begin to grab my chest and lie down on the ground. As the cops and paramedics storm the building, the chick I banged finds me. We share one last kiss before I die. Witnesses say what happened and I'm lauded as a hero, and I get some awesome medal.
Think about it: you don't die a virgin, you are a hero, and you do some cool V for Vendetta shit before you die. If I had to die like that, it'd be far more prefferable than dying of AIDS or starvation.
As for that guy who said "Would you want to die in a school shooting"? I think it'd be leet if it happened like this:
2 kids go on school shooting. Nobody's killed, a few non-critically injured. One has a pistol, the other a MAC-11. Me and some really hot chick are hiding in a closet. We express our deep love for each other and decide to screw like it's Judgement Day cause we think we're all gonna die (there's been LOTS of shots fired and lots of screams so anyone still alive thinks those folks are dead). Then I decide enough's enough, the cops are being fucking pussies. So I sneak out after giving the chick one last huge kiss and see the two shooters in the library, planning something. They start heading off in seperate directions, so I jump at the kid with a pistol and knock him out, he yells when I hit him. His buddy turns around, sees me, and begins unloading at me. I turn around in the nick of time and the bullets riddle his friend, killing him. I make my way to the kid as he reloads and fires more shots, all missing. I put a piece of metal in his head and both shooters are done.
I drop the kid as I feel weak. Oh shit! A bullet went through the kid I grabbed and hit a vital part of my stomach (idk, liver or something?). I begin to grab my chest and lie down on the ground. As the cops and paramedics storm the building, the chick I banged finds me. We share one last kiss before I die. Witnesses say what happened and I'm lauded as a hero, and I get some awesome medal.
Think about it: you don't die a virgin, you are a hero, and you do some cool V for Vendetta shit before you die. If I had to die like that, it'd be far more prefferable than dying of AIDS or starvation.