ATG
Banned
+5,233|6954|Global Command
Here at last, is the Smoking Gun.


http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/25/world … nted=print



At some point, the United States will react in public to the overt meddling in Iraq. Drawing the Iranian into a shooting war inside Iraq I believe has always been part of our larger goal.



This war may end up much worse then Vietnam because there are so many nations involved.
Explore who is sponcoring the Islamic Courts in Somalia, its a rogues gallery of terrorist nations, all of whom we are basically at war with on some level or another. Ethiopia has declared war on the IC and is preparring to move a 140000 man army   into Somolia.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7026|132 and Bush

Didn't Iran just agree to help with establishing the peace in Iraq? Are we are supposed to trust them with their claims of a peaceful nuclear objective?
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Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|7007|SE London

ATG wrote:

At some point, the United States will react in public to the overt meddling in Iraq. Drawing the Iranian into a shooting war inside Iraq I believe has always been part of our larger goal.
I thought America were promoting Iran's involvement. There was a conference recently that the US backed hoping Iran could bring some much needed stability to Iraq.
splixx
ChupaCABRA
+53|7164|Omaha, Nebraska
Yes I trust what the Bush admin has to say...
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6954|Global Command
Thats the antiwar leftist viewpoint.

I doubt very much whomever is President of the US will sit by while Iran absorbs Iraq, which is what is happening now, and will be completed when/if we cut and run.
Unless Saudi Arabia was to make good on their threat to back the Sunnis.
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|7007|SE London

ATG wrote:

Thats the antiwar leftist viewpoint.

I doubt very much whomever is President of the US will sit by while Iran absorbs Iraq, which is what is happening now, and will be completed when/if we cut and run.
Unless Saudi Arabia was to make good on their threat to back the Sunnis.
The Saudis can do whatever they want and no one will complain. They've got all the oil.

Iran probably will almost absorb Iraq. It will be a seperate entity, but religion will pull them together. Bloody religion.
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
+1,860|7069
its sad people need proof instead of the word from our soldiers. assholes.
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6954|Global Command
It was particularly awkward for the Iraqis that one of the raids took place in the Baghdad compound of Abdul Aziz al-Hakim, one of Iraq’s most powerful Shiite leaders, who traveled to Washington three weeks ago to meet President Bush.
Fen321
Member
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MI5 agents were also found instigating and pretending to be "militants" and actually killed Iraqi security forces...what do we do we arrest them and then the US breaks them out of jail.

hehe maybe we should be attacking ourselves or the Brits for causing problems?

The problems are very complicated and of course neighboring countries will attempt to leverage themselves via this conflict, its what countries do. Yet i highly doubt once again that the US could be capable of sustaining any kind of military action against another force outside Iraq.
GunSlinger OIF II
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Iranians are active participants in anti-iraqi activities.  from the getgo
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
+1,860|7069
i find it funny that when people are giving reports, Iraqi and american, that Iranians are a big factor in the insurgency, its blown off as speculation.  but, when you get trumped up casualty figures that pretty much say 50 gazillion iraqis have been killed, from iraqis claiming this as well, well by golly its fucking solid truth.....get the fuck outta here.  I dont like bush, but I swear it seems the majority of you people who want us out of iraq would rather see bush wrong at the expense of our soldiers than actual success in iraq.
CameronPoe
Member
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Just an update, President Talabani invited them to Iraq and is actually angry that they have been detained.
Fen321
Member
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GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

i find it funny that when people are giving reports, Iraqi and american, that Iranians are a big factor in the insurgency, its blown off as speculation.  but, when you get trumped up casualty figures that pretty much say 50 gazillion iraqis have been killed, from iraqis claiming this as well, well by golly its fucking solid truth.....get the fuck outta here.  I dont like bush, but I swear it seems the majority of you people who want us out of iraq would rather see bush wrong at the expense of our soldiers than actual success in iraq.
what?

The number of casualties is an important aspect to consider, considering we went to what liberate the people? No, wait find WMDS, no wait get rid of Saddam. Lets see a reputable party conducts research into the number of casualties...why do you think we don't think its speculation? First off, its not done haphazardly so why speculate?  But some soldiers capturing some Top Iranian's and then stating they are somehow contributing to the insurgency at least for the time being is speculation.

It's Okay just face the fact that the US doesn't give a shit what other countries think therefore it gives me plenty of reason to bash it, at least until they change their imperial ways


Oh by the way i think the number of deaths was around 650,000
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7026|132 and Bush

CameronPoe wrote:

Just an update, President Talabani invited them to Iraq and is actually angry that they have been detained.
Serious? I haven't been able to find anything to coincide with this.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061225/ts_ … tehouse_dc
That's the last report I saw. It basically says once the have all the details they will release them.

"but we want to finish our investigation of the detained Iranians before characterizing their activities."

Edit: Found this http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20061225/pl … 1225222907
Which says:
"Two people who were invited by the president to Iraq have now been apprehended by the Americans, and the president is unhappy with the arrests," Hiwa Osman, Talabani's media adviser, told AFP.

"The invitation was within the framework of an agreement between Iran and Iraq to improve the security situation," he added.

Last edited by Kmarion (2006-12-25 14:38:53)

Xbone Stormsurgezz
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,072|7197|PNW

ATG wrote:

This war may end up much worse then Vietnam because there are so many nations involved.
Explore who is sponcoring the Islamic Courts in Somalia, its a rogues gallery of terrorist nations, all of whom we are basically at war with on some level or another. Ethiopia has declared war on the IC and is preparring to move a 140000 man army into Somolia.
Sponsoring. Preparing. Somalia.

I don't mean to be a stickler for spelling, but when I read that a sharp pain went through my left temple.

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2006-12-25 15:51:02)

jonnykill
The Microwave Man
+235|7105
Tag'em and bagg'em. Then Iran will attack our troops in Iraq, as if they aren't already, then we can finally shut that Mother F%$@# up. FOWAAAAAARRRD! MARCH!
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6830|North Carolina

ATG wrote:

Here at last, is the Smoking Gun.


http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/25/world … nted=print



At some point, the United States will react in public to the overt meddling in Iraq. Drawing the Iranian into a shooting war inside Iraq I believe has always been part of our larger goal.



This war may end up much worse then Vietnam because there are so many nations involved.
Explore who is sponcoring the Islamic Courts in Somalia, its a rogues gallery of terrorist nations, all of whom we are basically at war with on some level or another. Ethiopia has declared war on the IC and is preparring to move a 140000 man army   into Somolia.
I'll put it this way... if we invade Iran, we're going to need a lot of help.  We'll need the U.K. and probably either Russia, France, or China to back us up.

Otherwise, we'll need to greatly increase the size of the military budget, and spend a lot less on everything else.

Until such preparations are made, invading Iran is a serious mistake.

Edit:  I'm surprised you posted a NY Times link.

Last edited by Turquoise (2006-12-25 19:21:09)

Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7026|132 and Bush

An invasion is extremely unlikely. However, an invasion would not be necessary to set them years back in terms of nuclear development.
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Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6830|North Carolina

Kmarion wrote:

An invasion is extremely unlikely. However, an invasion would not be necessary to set them years back in terms of nuclear development.
If you're hinting at a series of air strikes against their nuclear facilities, I suggest you also include their military bases as well.  Otherwise, they will retaliate conventionally.

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