lowing
Banned
+1,662|7076|USA
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/12/ … index.html

I wonder what Iran is prepared to do.

Well, since we are talking about Islamic extremists, my guess is, he will try and nuke someone in protest of being "falsely"accused of trying to build nukes. ( Kinda like the cartoon thing where the Muslims rioted and murdered over being depicted as violent and crazy.) That one still cracks me up, but not nearly as much as some people on this forum that ran to their defense and tried to rationalize it. So I offer this article to those that think Iran is innocent. Please, rationalize his rhetoric for me. Oh, and by the way, ya can't blame the US or Bush for this one, this was ALL your beloved UN.
spray_and_pray
Member
+52|6916|Perth. Western Australia
Ahmadinejad blew all his chances of being taken seriously that he wont create nukes when he started screaming out death to America in one of his speaches he is a stupid ignorant and I cant wait for someone to shoot the bastard he joins the same section in my brain where I keep Bush, Hitler, Kerry, Stalin etc.
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7076|USA

spray_and_pray wrote:

Ahmadinejad blew all his chances of being taken seriously that he wont create nukes when he started screaming out death to America in one of his speaches he is a stupid ignorant and I cant wait for someone to shoot the bastard he joins the same section in my brain where I keep Bush, Hitler, Kerry, Stalin etc.
I really find it hard to fathom that anyone would put Bush or Kerry in the same category as Hitler or Stalin. Even though I hate that no good dirty rotten POS Kerry, he is not a Hitler or Stalin, he simply woulda surrendered to them.

Last edited by lowing (2006-12-24 05:25:21)

Mason4Assassin444
retired
+552|7087|USA
That is one crazy Iranian.
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7076|USA

Mason4Assassin444 wrote:

That is one crazy Iranian.
Well, all we need to do is turn as blind eye and everything will be ok, ask anyone on here, they will tell ya. Nothin' to worry about.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6830|North Carolina

lowing wrote:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/12/24/un.iran.ap/index.html

I wonder what Iran is prepared to do.

Well, since we are talking about Islamic extremists, my guess is, he will try and nuke someone in protest of being "falsely"accused of trying to build nukes. ( Kinda like the cartoon thing where the Muslims rioted and murdered over being depicted as violent and crazy.) That one still cracks me up, but not nearly as much as some people on this forum that ran to their defense and tried to rationalize it. So I offer this article to those that think Iran is innocent. Please, rationalize his rhetoric for me. Oh, and by the way, ya can't blame the US or Bush for this one, this was ALL your beloved UN.
I'll say it again.  Ahmadinejad is a lame duck.  He can't do anything now.  He just says stupid shit to get attention.  He'll be out of office soon enough.
spray_and_pray
Member
+52|6916|Perth. Western Australia

lowing wrote:

spray_and_pray wrote:

Ahmadinejad blew all his chances of being taken seriously that he wont create nukes when he started screaming out death to America in one of his speaches he is a stupid ignorant and I cant wait for someone to shoot the bastard he joins the same section in my brain where I keep Bush, Hitler, Kerry, Stalin etc.
I really find it hard to fathom that anyone would put Bush or Kerry in the same category as Hitler or Stalin. Even though I hate that no good dirty rotten POS Kerry, he is not a Hitler or Stalin, he simply woulda surrendered to them.
Im talkin in IQ levels here...
Vilham
Say wat!?
+580|7191|UK
He is fucked tbh, sanctions will only increase on Iran until the public are forced to vote him out and put someone reasonable in his place. Im glad that these sanctions arent basic good sanctions and only apply to nuclear material, this wont affect their populace and people that are innocent.
Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|6962|Long Island, New York
A lot of his country's people are starting to hate him. He'll never be able to do anything serious. And if he does...oh boy will he regret it.
jonsimon
Member
+224|6920
He wont do anything. Hell keep getting stronger and selling his oil for Euros. Eventually he will probably try to convince OPEC to switch to Euros as well, using his military as intimidation. He will probably to place oil embargos on Israel again. If the US makes the first move, he will trap our three sitting duck carrier groups in the Arabian sea and in doing so shut down the immediate supply of oil from the Arabian peninnsula to the world. He could even win a war against America. If we fight him it will be a long bloody unpopular war, and we will either end up losing completely or simply reinstating another puppet government that will eventually fall apart. The first thing we will do after toppling their government, assuming it happens, will be to open the Arabian sea and switch Iran back to the dollar. And thats that.
Commie Killer
Member
+192|6812

jonsimon wrote:

He wont do anything. Hell keep getting stronger and selling his oil for Euros. Eventually he will probably try to convince OPEC to switch to Euros as well, using his military as intimidation. He will probably to place oil embargos on Israel again. If the US makes the first move, he will trap our three sitting duck carrier groups in the Arabian sea and in doing so shut down the immediate supply of oil from the Arabian peninnsula to the world. He could even win a war against America. If we fight him it will be a long bloody unpopular war, and we will either end up losing completely or simply reinstating another puppet government that will eventually fall apart. The first thing we will do after toppling their government, assuming it happens, will be to open the Arabian sea and switch Iran back to the dollar. And thats that.
Smoking something? Im pretty sure that the US will not lose a war against Iran....
jonsimon
Member
+224|6920

Commie Killer wrote:

jonsimon wrote:

He wont do anything. Hell keep getting stronger and selling his oil for Euros. Eventually he will probably try to convince OPEC to switch to Euros as well, using his military as intimidation. He will probably to place oil embargos on Israel again. If the US makes the first move, he will trap our three sitting duck carrier groups in the Arabian sea and in doing so shut down the immediate supply of oil from the Arabian peninnsula to the world. He could even win a war against America. If we fight him it will be a long bloody unpopular war, and we will either end up losing completely or simply reinstating another puppet government that will eventually fall apart. The first thing we will do after toppling their government, assuming it happens, will be to open the Arabian sea and switch Iran back to the dollar. And thats that.
Smoking something? Im pretty sure that the US will not lose a war against Iran....
Its a possibility. Our military is stretched thin, occupying a hundred different countries at once. And their military is strong and home-grown. Plus three of our carrier groups are sitting ducks in the Arabian sea for no reason. It's certainly a possibility we could lose a war with Iran under our current conditions. Now, say, if we weren't occupying a large part of the world and were able to fight them in a sort of 1 v 1, they'd surrender or we'd crush them.
[UTQ]_Ausch88
Banned
+23|6920

lowing wrote:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/12/24/un.iran.ap/index.html

I wonder what Iran is prepared to do.

Well, since we are talking about Islamic extremists, my guess is, he will try and nuke someone in protest of being "falsely"accused of trying to build nukes. ( Kinda like the cartoon thing where the Muslims rioted and murdered over being depicted as violent and crazy.) That one still cracks me up, but not nearly as much as some people on this forum that ran to their defense and tried to rationalize it. So I offer this article to those that think Iran is innocent. Please, rationalize his rhetoric for me. Oh, and by the way, ya can't blame the US or Bush for this one, this was ALL your beloved UN.
IRAN will do nothing..  they will continue with their production of nuclear fuel , and maybe will build a bomb or two just in case some crazy country decide to bomb them. Iran will never hurt the USA or Europe so you can sit back and relax.
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7076|USA

spray_and_pray wrote:

lowing wrote:

spray_and_pray wrote:

Ahmadinejad blew all his chances of being taken seriously that he wont create nukes when he started screaming out death to America in one of his speaches he is a stupid ignorant and I cant wait for someone to shoot the bastard he joins the same section in my brain where I keep Bush, Hitler, Kerry, Stalin etc.
I really find it hard to fathom that anyone would put Bush or Kerry in the same category as Hitler or Stalin. Even though I hate that no good dirty rotten POS Kerry, he is not a Hitler or Stalin, he simply woulda surrendered to them.
Im talkin in IQ levels here...
If I am not mistaken, in IQ levels, wasn't Hitler known to be quite intelligent?? Thought I read that somewhere.
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
+1,860|7068

jonsimon wrote:

Commie Killer wrote:

jonsimon wrote:

He wont do anything. Hell keep getting stronger and selling his oil for Euros. Eventually he will probably try to convince OPEC to switch to Euros as well, using his military as intimidation. He will probably to place oil embargos on Israel again. If the US makes the first move, he will trap our three sitting duck carrier groups in the Arabian sea and in doing so shut down the immediate supply of oil from the Arabian peninnsula to the world. He could even win a war against America. If we fight him it will be a long bloody unpopular war, and we will either end up losing completely or simply reinstating another puppet government that will eventually fall apart. The first thing we will do after toppling their government, assuming it happens, will be to open the Arabian sea and switch Iran back to the dollar. And thats that.
Smoking something? Im pretty sure that the US will not lose a war against Iran....
Its a possibility. Our military is stretched thin, occupying a hundred different countries at once. And their military is strong and home-grown. Plus three of our carrier groups are sitting ducks in the Arabian sea for no reason. It's certainly a possibility we could lose a war with Iran under our current conditions. Now, say, if we weren't occupying a large part of the world and were able to fight them in a sort of 1 v 1, they'd surrender or we'd crush them.
Iran will not be a ground war, mark my words.
arson
Member
+99|7061|New York

lowing wrote:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/12/24/un.iran.ap/index.html

I wonder what Iran is prepared to do.

Well, since we are talking about Islamic extremists, my guess is, he will try and nuke someone in protest of being "falsely"accused of trying to build nukes. ( Kinda like the cartoon thing where the Muslims rioted and murdered over being depicted as violent and crazy.) That one still cracks me up, but not nearly as much as some people on this forum that ran to their defense and tried to rationalize it. So I offer this article to those that think Iran is innocent. Please, rationalize his rhetoric for me. Oh, and by the way, ya can't blame the US or Bush for this one, this was ALL your beloved UN.
You know that the U.S. basically runs the U.N. by tightening the money right?  Why do you think there have not been sanctions against Israel for breaking the rules for which Iran is being punished. Im not saying that Iran shouldn't be punished but if stabilization of the Mid -East is the goal, how can one be punished and not the other when we KNOW that both are guilty. This can only add to an increasingly volitile situation.
  My Aunt works at the U.N. here in New York as a translator, and at our family holiday get together I sat down with her and we talked alot about the UN and the Mid- East situation.  Maybe I will start a thread whereas I can forward some of these well thought out questions to her so we can get some real time responses to what the talk inside the UN actually is.   I know it sounds rediculous but I really want stabilization in the Mid East and I am sick of innocents suffering for various goverments agendas.  So flame me all you want but I really want all the people to have the rights to pursue individual happiness as we can here in the U.S. and abroad.  Each country has something we can all learn from to make the world a better place.
jonsimon
Member
+224|6920

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

Iran will not be a ground war, mark my words.
It has to be, if there is going to be a war. Iran won't just surrender and convert all its reserves back to dollars because we have air superiority, esspecially with Russia as their ally. The only way we can force their government to bend to our will is if we topple it and take control of the country. We can only do that through occupation or a puppet government.
[UTQ]_Ausch88
Banned
+23|6920

arson wrote:

lowing wrote:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/12/24/un.iran.ap/index.html

I wonder what Iran is prepared to do.

Well, since we are talking about Islamic extremists, my guess is, he will try and nuke someone in protest of being "falsely"accused of trying to build nukes. ( Kinda like the cartoon thing where the Muslims rioted and murdered over being depicted as violent and crazy.) That one still cracks me up, but not nearly as much as some people on this forum that ran to their defense and tried to rationalize it. So I offer this article to those that think Iran is innocent. Please, rationalize his rhetoric for me. Oh, and by the way, ya can't blame the US or Bush for this one, this was ALL your beloved UN.
You know that the U.S. basically runs the U.N. by tightening the money right?  Why do you think there have not been sanctions against Israel for breaking the rules for which Iran is being punished. Im not saying that Iran shouldn't be punished but if stabilization of the Mid -East is the goal, how can one be punished and not the other when we KNOW that both are guilty. This can only add to an increasingly volitile situation.
  My Aunt works at the U.N. here in New York as a translator, and at our family holiday get together I sat down with her and we talked alot about the UN and the Mid- East situation.  Maybe I will start a thread whereas I can forward some of these well thought out questions to her so we can get some real time responses to what the talk inside the UN actually is.   I know it sounds rediculous but I really want stabilization in the Mid East and I am sick of innocents suffering for various goverments agendas.  So flame me all you want but I really want all the people to have the rights to pursue individual happiness as we can here in the U.S. and abroad.  Each country has something we can all learn from to make the world a better place.
Well said

unfortunately IRAN is the bad guy and ISRAEL is the good guy and only the good guy is allowed to have nuclear weapons.
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7076|USA

[UTQ]_Ausch88 wrote:

arson wrote:

lowing wrote:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/12/24/un.iran.ap/index.html

I wonder what Iran is prepared to do.

Well, since we are talking about Islamic extremists, my guess is, he will try and nuke someone in protest of being "falsely"accused of trying to build nukes. ( Kinda like the cartoon thing where the Muslims rioted and murdered over being depicted as violent and crazy.) That one still cracks me up, but not nearly as much as some people on this forum that ran to their defense and tried to rationalize it. So I offer this article to those that think Iran is innocent. Please, rationalize his rhetoric for me. Oh, and by the way, ya can't blame the US or Bush for this one, this was ALL your beloved UN.
You know that the U.S. basically runs the U.N. by tightening the money right?  Why do you think there have not been sanctions against Israel for breaking the rules for which Iran is being punished. Im not saying that Iran shouldn't be punished but if stabilization of the Mid -East is the goal, how can one be punished and not the other when we KNOW that both are guilty. This can only add to an increasingly volitile situation.
  My Aunt works at the U.N. here in New York as a translator, and at our family holiday get together I sat down with her and we talked alot about the UN and the Mid- East situation.  Maybe I will start a thread whereas I can forward some of these well thought out questions to her so we can get some real time responses to what the talk inside the UN actually is.   I know it sounds rediculous but I really want stabilization in the Mid East and I am sick of innocents suffering for various goverments agendas.  So flame me all you want but I really want all the people to have the rights to pursue individual happiness as we can here in the U.S. and abroad.  Each country has something we can all learn from to make the world a better place.
Well said
I agree, well said
Fancy_Pollux
Connoisseur of Fine Wine
+1,306|7071
Ahmadinejad openly denies the Holocaust, has threatened the US with "harm and pain", has threatened the UN saying it will "regret" its sanctions, and openly proclaims the annihilation of Israel.

Simply put, Iran cannot be allowed to have nuclear technology with its current leadership.
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
+1,860|7068
like hitler holding a newborn jewish baby in his arms
arson
Member
+99|7061|New York

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

like hitler holding a newborn jewish baby in his arms
All he had to do was to have a child of his own since he was a Jew....
Commie Killer
Member
+192|6812

jonsimon wrote:

Commie Killer wrote:

jonsimon wrote:

He wont do anything. Hell keep getting stronger and selling his oil for Euros. Eventually he will probably try to convince OPEC to switch to Euros as well, using his military as intimidation. He will probably to place oil embargos on Israel again. If the US makes the first move, he will trap our three sitting duck carrier groups in the Arabian sea and in doing so shut down the immediate supply of oil from the Arabian peninnsula to the world. He could even win a war against America. If we fight him it will be a long bloody unpopular war, and we will either end up losing completely or simply reinstating another puppet government that will eventually fall apart. The first thing we will do after toppling their government, assuming it happens, will be to open the Arabian sea and switch Iran back to the dollar. And thats that.
Smoking something? Im pretty sure that the US will not lose a war against Iran....
Its a possibility. Our military is stretched thin, occupying a hundred different countries at once. And their military is strong and home-grown. Plus three of our carrier groups are sitting ducks in the Arabian sea for no reason. It's certainly a possibility we could lose a war with Iran under our current conditions. Now, say, if we weren't occupying a large part of the world and were able to fight them in a sort of 1 v 1, they'd surrender or we'd crush them.
There is an EXTREMLY small chance that they would sink even one of our ships above the destroyer level, a carrier being sunk is out of the question.
Commie Killer
Member
+192|6812

arson wrote:

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

like hitler holding a newborn jewish baby in his arms
All he had to do was to have a child of his own since he was a Jew....
Small party Jewish, he only found that out in the later part of his life.
Fancy_Pollux
Connoisseur of Fine Wine
+1,306|7071

Commie Killer wrote:

jonsimon wrote:

Commie Killer wrote:

Smoking something? Im pretty sure that the US will not lose a war against Iran....
Its a possibility. Our military is stretched thin, occupying a hundred different countries at once. And their military is strong and home-grown. Plus three of our carrier groups are sitting ducks in the Arabian sea for no reason. It's certainly a possibility we could lose a war with Iran under our current conditions. Now, say, if we weren't occupying a large part of the world and were able to fight them in a sort of 1 v 1, they'd surrender or we'd crush them.
There is an EXTREMLY small chance that they would sink even one of our ships above the destroyer level, a carrier being sunk is out of the question.
Destroyers are small and can be sunk if you can get through the battle group's defenses.

A Nimitz class carrier, however, is widely considered to be unsinkable by conventional weaponry, even by anti-ship missiles and torpedoes. When you consider the stout construction, skilled D/C crews, massive size, large and technologically advanced airwing, half a dozen powerful surface and subsurface escorts, then you can be sure that if you are successful in damaging a Nimitz class, then you yourself will probably not be around to brag about it afterwards. Also note that the Nimitz class can still remain afloat with the majority of its bulkheads destroyed and compartments filled with water. The Nimitz's ability to isolate flooding to individual compartments make it a waste of time to try and sink. A submarine could literally blow out the entire lower decks of a Nimitz and still not sink it. For these reasons, it is the most survivable warship in history. This is also why the Soviet Union was prepared to use nuclear weapons against air and surface combatants alike.

Last edited by Fancy_Pollux (2006-12-24 12:35:00)

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