BF2S Forums Holocaust denier released from jail

sfarrar33 wrote:

BN wrote:

This is a gross breach of freedom of speech.

You can deny that Sep 11th did not happen...why not this?

Truth does not need laws to support it.

wha? who said that?
I know people have said it was not terrorists that did it but who said it didn't happen?
(actually interested sorry if this sounds a bit sarky but it's not meant to be)

Just using Sep 11th as an example .

I dont think anyone has denied it happened.

jonsimon wrote:

B.Schuss wrote:

[UTQ]_Ausch88 wrote:

The best way to learn about this event is to talk about it, not jail the people who do not agree with the way it happened.

that guy bring some point on the table saying that it never happened.. instead of publicly destroy his arguments and prove him wrong, they put him to jail. It would be a better idea to prove him wrong.

you do realize that he has since admitted he was "mistaken" about denying the holocaust. what an ass. He didn't have the evidence to support his claims, and didn't want to admit that he was a Neo-Nazi either. So he flip-flopped.

and btw, talking about the holocaust is not illegal. And learning about it ain't illegal either. But we already know how it happened and we surely don't need any so-called "historians" to spread their Neo-nazi propaganda.

He was in jail for ten years, you can't blame him for 'flip-flopping'.

We don't know how it happened, history is an uncertain thing subject to unlimited debate and revision. As such, it is only fair that we do not suppress the discussion of alternate points of view, however offending. This is not to say we cannot ignore someone when they say things we do not want to hear, but it is not within our right to punish them otherwise for their opinion.

He was arrested about one year ago, sentenced to three years, and released on probation after having served  a couple of months. He was not in jail for ten years. To me, it seems he flip-flopped to avoid having to serve his sentence to the end.

And were are not talking about a real historian anyway:

"In 2000 a British High Court judge branded David Irving as a falsifier of history and a racist who, for his own ideological reasons, persistently and deliberately misrepresented and manipulated historical evidence."

source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6197837.stm

Please, gentlemen. As a former student of history at cologne university, I am all for debating questionable historic events. But the holocaust ain't one of them; or as someone else so eloquently put it:

"Holocaust denial is anti-Semitism dressed up as intellectual debate"

B.Schuss wrote:

He was arrested about one year ago, sentenced to three years, and released on probation after having served  a couple of months. He was not in jail for ten years.

Yeah, when I first summarised the story I had misread it.  The maximum sentence is, however, ten years.

Shouldn't be a crime, simple as that.

BN wrote:

sfarrar33 wrote:

BN wrote:

Just using Sep 11th as an example .

I dont think anyone has denied it happened.

an example of something that didn't happen :S
i'll trust your logic lol

I used it cos they are two tragic things that obviously happened and people are very emotional about it.

ah i get you now, stuff like the use of agent orange would have been a clearer example but no it makes sense