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It won't happen, a Muslim president would be unelectable in the USA.

I mean look at the record Kennedy set when was the first Irish Catholic!

التعريفات wrote:

Nothing is impossible.

...I'm not entirely sure about that.  This might disprove that theory.

ThomasMorgan wrote:

التعريفات wrote:

Nothing is impossible.

...I'm not entirely sure about that.  This might disprove that theory.

Ok...but what if...nvm

Last edited by التعريفات (2006-12-21 02:14:36)

=Robin-Hood= wrote:

Not trying to offend the Americans here but do you think there will ever be a President that isn't

• male
• Caucasian
• catholic?

It will rather be a martian before any other than above. But if you disagree prove me wrong.

R

Yes.  I wouldn't be surprised to see a woman elected president in the next 20 years.

The funny thing is, is that if a woman ran for president, she'd probably get a lot of votes just because she's female.  Then again, she'd probably lose a lot for the same reason.  Same goes for blacks or hispanics.

التعريفات wrote:

ThomasMorgan wrote:

التعريفات wrote:

Nothing is impossible.

...I'm not entirely sure about that.  This might disprove that theory.

Ok...but what if...nvm

No, please tell.  By no means am I saying I wouldn't vote for the person.  In fact, I'd probably vote for him/her just because it would be a change from the 50something white guys we always have in office.

If we havent had a women president yet, we certainly will not have a muslim one ANYTIME soon!!

Frankly, a muslim is unelectible due to the fact our constitution and overall foundations of our government are founded on christian beliefs. . . .

I sure as hell wouldnt vote for a fucking muslim president, that is FOR SURE!

fadedsteve wrote:

If we havent had a women president yet, we certainly will not have a muslim one ANYTIME soon!!

Frankly, a muslim is unelectible due to the fact our constitution and overall foundations of our government are founded on christian beliefs. . . .

I sure as hell wouldnt vote for a fucking muslim president, that is FOR SURE!

Wow.  From now on please stay out of the Debate and Serious Talk forum.  Usually these threads are for mature minds only.  Thank you for your compliance.

Also, I really don't think a Muslim candidate would beat out a Christian candidate.  At least not anytime soon.  The Christian candidate couldn't be THAT hated by society as a whole, since, obviously he was elected to his position of candidacy by his party, which would be interested in securing the presidency, and therefore wouldn't elect someone who was so hated by Americans.

ThomasMorgan wrote:

fadedsteve wrote:

If we havent had a women president yet, we certainly will not have a muslim one ANYTIME soon!!

Frankly, a muslim is unelectible due to the fact our constitution and overall foundations of our government are founded on christian beliefs. . . .

I sure as hell wouldnt vote for a fucking muslim president, that is FOR SURE!

Wow.  From now on please stay out of the Debate and Serious Talk forum.  Usually these threads are for mature minds only.  Thank you for your compliance.

Also, I really don't think a Muslim candidate would beat out a Christian candidate.  At least not anytime soon.  The Christian candidate couldn't be THAT hated by society as a whole, since, obviously he was elected to his position of candidacy by his party, which would be interested in securing the presidency, and therefore wouldn't elect someone who was so hated by Americans.

And situation #2?  (Tell me if there's a certain regulation  for that, I don't know much )

التعريفات wrote:

ThomasMorgan wrote:

fadedsteve wrote:

If we havent had a women president yet, we certainly will not have a muslim one ANYTIME soon!!

Frankly, a muslim is unelectible due to the fact our constitution and overall foundations of our government are founded on christian beliefs. . . .

I sure as hell wouldnt vote for a fucking muslim president, that is FOR SURE!

Wow.  From now on please stay out of the Debate and Serious Talk forum.  Usually these threads are for mature minds only.  Thank you for your compliance.

Also, I really don't think a Muslim candidate would beat out a Christian candidate.  At least not anytime soon.  The Christian candidate couldn't be THAT hated by society as a whole, since, obviously he was elected to his position of candidacy by his party, which would be interested in securing the presidency, and therefore wouldn't elect someone who was so hated by Americans.

And situation #2?  (Tell me if there's a certain regulation  for that, I don't know much )

Then that candidate's vice president would step up, unless the party wanted to elect another person.  Electing a new person would be unlikely though, considering the money spent on getting the deceased president and vice president's names out to the public.

Since a vice president usually has the same ideals as the president, he would still probably win.

التعريفات wrote:

ThomasMorgan wrote:

التعريفات wrote:

And situation #2?  (Tell me if there's a certain regulation  for that, I don't know much )

Then that candidate's vice president would step up, unless the party wanted to elect another person.  Electing a new person would be unlikely though, considering the money spent on getting the deceased president and vice president's names out to the public.

Since a vice president usually has the same ideals as the president, he would still probably win.

Ok, you win then

I'm not trying to be an ass or anything, but I just don't see any possible way a Muslim candidate could win the presidency anytime in the near future.

fadedsteve wrote:

If we havent had a women president yet, we certainly will not have a muslim one ANYTIME soon!!

Frankly, a muslim is unelectible due to the fact our constitution and overall foundations of our government are founded on christian beliefs. . . .

I sure as hell wouldnt vote for a fucking muslim president, that is FOR SURE!

Hello, I didn't know you were a white supremacist too! Funny thing you view over 1 BILLION people to be inherently inferior.

I would find the prospect of a Muslim president fairly interesting. I think he/she would get large amounts of very strong support and large amounts of very strong opposition. Whether one outweighs another is subject to conjecture.

Frogive me if I am wrong here - I'm not American so I may have the electoral system wrong in my mind - however...

As I understand it, for a President to be elected, he needs to be put into the running by one of the two political parties - the democrats and the republicans.  In the current climate, I can't see either party putting forward a Muslim as either the candidate for President or VP.  So currently, the answer is "no".

There is an alternative way for a President to come into post.  An elected President can discharge the VP and appoint his own, if he has the backing of the senate (or is it both Houses?).  So instead of the people electing both candidates, it's the people they've elected to make decisions for them.  Still, I can't see this happening.  Even if it did, the President would then have to become incapacitated (or dead) for the VP to take over.

So, am I right?  Has Tom Clancy educated me properly in the US electoral system?  If all of the above is true, there's no way a Muslim could be US President this century.

1 George Washington Episcopalian
2 John Adams Congregationalist (raised) - became Deist
3 Thomas Jefferson raised Episcopalian - one of the founders of the Deist movement (Jefferson Bible)
4 James Madison raised Episcopalian - became Deist
5 James Monroe raised Episcopalian - became Deist
6 John Quincy Adams Unitarian (Deism offshoot)
7 Andrew Jackson Presbyterian
8 Martin Van Buren Dutch Reformed
9 William Henry Harrison Episcopalian
10 John Tyler Episcopalian - became Deist
11 James Knox Polk Presbyterian; Methodist
12 Zachary Taylor Episcopalian
13 Millard Fillmore Unitarian (Deism offshoot)
14 Franklin Pierce Episcopalian
15 James Buchanan Presbyterian
16 Abraham Lincoln raised Baptist; later Deist
17 Andrew Johnson Christian (no specific denomination)
18 Ulysses S Grant Presbyterian; Methodist
19 Rutherford B. Hayes Presbyterian; Methodist (?)
20 James A. Garfield Disciples of Christ
21 Chester A. Arthur Episcopalian
22 Grover Cleveland Presbyterian
23 Benjamin Harrison Presbyterian
24 Grover Cleveland Presbyterian
25 William McKinley Methodist
26 Theodore Roosevelt Dutch Reformed; Episcopalian
27 William Howard Taft Unitarian
28 Woodrow Wilson Presbyterian
29 Warren G. Harding Baptist
30 Calvin Coolidge Congregationalist
31 Herbert Hoover Quaker
32 Franklin Delano Roosevelt Episcopalian
33 Harry S. Truman Southern Baptist
34 Dwight D. Eisenhower River Brethren; Jehovah's Witnesses; Presbyterian
35 John F. Kennedy Catholic
36 Lyndon B. Johnson Disciples of Christ
37 Richard M. Nixon Quaker
38 Gerald Ford Episcopalian
39 Jimmy Carter Baptist (former Southern Baptist)
40 Ronald Reagan Disciples of Christ; Presbyterian
41 George H. W. Bush Episcopalian
42 William Jefferson Clinton Baptist
43 George W. Bush Methodist (former Episcopalian)

Most of our presidents it seems came from "established" protestant churches.  This is like how most of the world views religion, you're pretty much born into it and it's just there.  The evangelical/fundie movement didn't begin until almost 1900.  Our founding fathers themselves, overwhelmingly, were Deist (not Christian).  Deism coming from taking the Christian bible, trimming out everything to do with supernatural occurances and abilities and erroneous scientific and questionable historic information.  What you were left with was Jesus Christ, the ordinary man but extraordinary teacher of morality and ethics.

Since then, a wide variety of religions have popped up among our presidents, but Bush was the first Evangelical to espouse that agenda into our government.  Eisenhower had his moments (officially injecting "under God" for the first time into the pledge of allegiance), but could otherwise keep it out of US policy and was decidedly a liberal.  Garfield, likewise, was part of the first evangelical movement in the 1880's but held true to our Constitutional principles and separated his office from his religious affiliation.

Unfortunately, religion has become a different industry than what it once was, it has moved away from more of a real estate property industry to a fast-paced multi-media industry with the marriage of the Evangelical movements with the TV and talk radio, and any candidate that can't get at least a passable blessing from this media monster will have a tough (but not impossible) time becoming president.  Win their endorsement, and you're guaranteed a 10% bump in the polls, as much as 30% bump if you also put a hot-button issue like abortion or gay marriage on the docket.

Muslim for president?  I'd say 100 to 50 years ago it wouldn't have been an issue, when someone was just expected to "be religious" and people thought of it as a private matter.  People understood that you could bring your Christian/Jewish/Muslim morals to the office you held, but you wouldn't use it as a tool to proselytize (sic).  Modern evangelicals spare no opportunity to push forward the fundie agenda when they take office, from any level from local school boards to the Presidency.  Their biggest fear is that everyone else would try to do the same, so a Muslim would be very bad in any office.  They don't realize that people who are different religions (or simply not so "religious" like them) don't necessarily think like them or use the same tactics.