Xenophobic fuck,lol. I like that you asshat cumdumpster. I was reffering to his post because he just stated something totally off the subject i.e. not about the USA.RedTwizzler wrote:
His point is, you xenophobic fuck, that this post (Wonder who wrote it... oh yeah, you.) is totally irrelevant:arabeater wrote:
Yea ok and your point is?SenatorMendoza wrote:
China has more people (about 4 times as many as the USA)arabeater wrote:
I agree. We have enough people here. Stop all immigrants illegal and legal. We have enough people seriously.
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Ok, yea your right. We do need some immigration but definately not at the current rate that it is now. And for gods sake kick out all those goddammed illegals. They are every fucking where.Turquoise wrote:
I think we should be more selective in our immigration and that we should amend certain citizenship laws, but.... it is immigration that keeps our economy growing. Immigrants make up a huge percentage of our small business owners.arabeater wrote:
Yea ok and your point is?SenatorMendoza wrote:
China has more people (about 4 times as many as the USA)
Immigration also keeps our country young. Most "natives" are aging out in America, just like in Europe. We'll need immigrants (who are typically younger adults) to take care of the baby boomers and busters when they get older. We'll also need them to pay into Social Security (at least until it collapses).
A lot of the illegal problem could be solved in one of two ways...arabeater wrote:
Ok, yea your right. We do need some immigration but definately not at the current rate that it is now. And for gods sake kick out all those goddammed illegals. They are every fucking where.Turquoise wrote:
I think we should be more selective in our immigration and that we should amend certain citizenship laws, but.... it is immigration that keeps our economy growing. Immigrants make up a huge percentage of our small business owners.arabeater wrote:
Yea ok and your point is?
Immigration also keeps our country young. Most "natives" are aging out in America, just like in Europe. We'll need immigrants (who are typically younger adults) to take care of the baby boomers and busters when they get older. We'll also need them to pay into Social Security (at least until it collapses).
1) Make the southern border as porous as it used to be, so that Mexicans can freely enter the country, work a season, and then leave.
OR...
2) Prosecute all employers (big and small) that hire illegals.
I guess there is a third option as well.... Bush's guest worker idea actually makes a lot of sense. It's probably the best idea he's had in 6 years.
I personally like the prosecuting the employers idea.Turquoise wrote:
A lot of the illegal problem could be solved in one of two ways...arabeater wrote:
Ok, yea your right. We do need some immigration but definately not at the current rate that it is now. And for gods sake kick out all those goddammed illegals. They are every fucking where.Turquoise wrote:
I think we should be more selective in our immigration and that we should amend certain citizenship laws, but.... it is immigration that keeps our economy growing. Immigrants make up a huge percentage of our small business owners.
Immigration also keeps our country young. Most "natives" are aging out in America, just like in Europe. We'll need immigrants (who are typically younger adults) to take care of the baby boomers and busters when they get older. We'll also need them to pay into Social Security (at least until it collapses).
1) Make the southern border as porous as it used to be, so that Mexicans can freely enter the country, work a season, and then leave.
OR...
2) Prosecute all employers (big and small) that hire illegals.
I guess there is a third option as well.... Bush's guest worker idea actually makes a lot of sense. It's probably the best idea he's had in 6 years.
You realize how many business owners, big and small, would be in jail, or fined (depending on the sentence for employing an illegal)? It could very well screw over the economy. Plus, there would be a foreseeable outlashing against employing hispanics, legal or not, since it would become a liability.arabeater wrote:
I personally like the prosecuting the employers idea.Turquoise wrote:
A lot of the illegal problem could be solved in one of two ways...arabeater wrote:
Ok, yea your right. We do need some immigration but definately not at the current rate that it is now. And for gods sake kick out all those goddammed illegals. They are every fucking where.
1) Make the southern border as porous as it used to be, so that Mexicans can freely enter the country, work a season, and then leave.
OR...
2) Prosecute all employers (big and small) that hire illegals.
I guess there is a third option as well.... Bush's guest worker idea actually makes a lot of sense. It's probably the best idea he's had in 6 years.
I actually agree with the guest worker idea.
I actually didn't think of that part... that's a good point.RedTwizzler wrote:
Plus, there would be a foreseeable outlashing against employing hispanics, legal or not, since it would become a liability.
Yea I agree with punishing people that break the law and they should be no different. So what your saying is by enforcing our immigration laws and punishing the employers that are knowingly hiring illegals, would be a bad thing? Who cares about an outlashing, these people are here illegally! As long as you are here legally and can prove it to your employer you should have nothing to worry about.RedTwizzler wrote:
You realize how many business owners, big and small, would be in jail, or fined (depending on the sentence for employing an illegal)? It could very well screw over the economy. Plus, there would be a foreseeable outlashing against employing hispanics, legal or not, since it would become a liability.arabeater wrote:
I personally like the prosecuting the employers idea.Turquoise wrote:
A lot of the illegal problem could be solved in one of two ways...
1) Make the southern border as porous as it used to be, so that Mexicans can freely enter the country, work a season, and then leave.
OR...
2) Prosecute all employers (big and small) that hire illegals.
I guess there is a third option as well.... Bush's guest worker idea actually makes a lot of sense. It's probably the best idea he's had in 6 years.
I actually agree with the guest worker idea.
I disagree. It would screw with the pockets of those business owners. Illegals don't do jobs American's won't do, they do them for a lot less money. Don't fool yourselves, these business are just lining their own pockets because they can pay someone illegal a lot less money than an American.RedTwizzler wrote:
You realize how many business owners, big and small, would be in jail, or fined (depending on the sentence for employing an illegal)? It could very well screw over the economy. Plus, there would be a foreseeable outlashing against employing hispanics, legal or not, since it would become a liability.
I actually agree with the guest worker idea.
Couldnt have said it any better myself dude. +1 for ya.usmarine2007 wrote:
I disagree. It would screw with the pockets of those business owners. Illegals don't do jobs American's won't do, they do them for a lot less money. Don't fool yourselves, these business are just lining their own pockets because they can pay someone illegal a lot less money than an American.RedTwizzler wrote:
You realize how many business owners, big and small, would be in jail, or fined (depending on the sentence for employing an illegal)? It could very well screw over the economy. Plus, there would be a foreseeable outlashing against employing hispanics, legal or not, since it would become a liability.
I actually agree with the guest worker idea.
Well, normally, I'm staunch about enforcing the law myself, but an outlashing against legal Hispanics is a bad thing. The reaction would likely extend to legal Hispanics for multiple reasons....arabeater wrote:
Yea I agree with punishing people that break the law and they should be no different. So what your saying is by enforcing our immigration laws and punishing the employers that are knowingly hiring illegals, would be a bad thing? Who cares about an outlashing, these people are here illegally! As long as you are here legally and can prove it to your employer you should have nothing to worry about.RedTwizzler wrote:
You realize how many business owners, big and small, would be in jail, or fined (depending on the sentence for employing an illegal)? It could very well screw over the economy. Plus, there would be a foreseeable outlashing against employing hispanics, legal or not, since it would become a liability.
I actually agree with the guest worker idea.
1) people would group all Hispanics together as a liability, because identity theft is relatively easy (and already practiced by many illegals)
2) employers would have misplaced hate toward Hispanics for being the reason why hiring would suddenly be a lot more complicated and dangerous process for them
3) people are stupid, especially when acting on prejudice
From a business standpoint, you are correct. However, arabeater said that all employers who employ illegals should be prosecuted. There's no telling how many businesses employ illegals, and therefore there is no telling how many CEOs would end up in prison.usmarine2007 wrote:
I disagree. It would screw with the pockets of those business owners. Illegals don't do jobs American's won't do, they do them for a lot less money. Don't fool yourselves, these business are just lining their own pockets because they can pay someone illegal a lot less money than an American.RedTwizzler wrote:
You realize how many business owners, big and small, would be in jail, or fined (depending on the sentence for employing an illegal)? It could very well screw over the economy. Plus, there would be a foreseeable outlashing against employing hispanics, legal or not, since it would become a liability.
I actually agree with the guest worker idea.
Nothing in the letter said anything about race. It talked about any certain race. He did talk about people entering teh USA, but he did not say anything about race.Fen321 wrote:
Aside from the obvious racism....alotusmarine2007 wrote:
What's wrong?
Just so everyone understands, being a Muslim is not saying you have a DIFFERENT RACE. I have a cousin who is Muslim, does that mean that he is a different race then me? NO, it just means that he has a different religion.
If anything, he does not have any religious tolerance.
They dont have to be prosecuted to the point of going to prison the first couple times but defiantely stiff fines should be in order, but if they continue to employ illegals then yes they should be severely dealt with (jail time and massive fines would suffice). These people are here ILLEGALLY. That means they are taking jobs that LEGAL and unemployed people on welfare should be forced to take. Thats a whole other bag of shit that I dont wanna open.RedTwizzler wrote:
From a business standpoint, you are correct. However, arabeater said that all employers who employ illegals should be prosecuted. There's no telling how many businesses employ illegals, and therefore there is no telling how many CEOs would end up in prison.usmarine2007 wrote:
I disagree. It would screw with the pockets of those business owners. Illegals don't do jobs American's won't do, they do them for a lot less money. Don't fool yourselves, these business are just lining their own pockets because they can pay someone illegal a lot less money than an American.RedTwizzler wrote:
You realize how many business owners, big and small, would be in jail, or fined (depending on the sentence for employing an illegal)? It could very well screw over the economy. Plus, there would be a foreseeable outlashing against employing hispanics, legal or not, since it would become a liability.
I actually agree with the guest worker idea.
Wal-Mart has been caught at least twice for hiring illegals. They stated that since the illegals were hired by a contracting company, they could not do anything about it.RedTwizzler wrote:
From a business standpoint, you are correct. However, arabeater said that all employers who employ illegals should be prosecuted. There's no telling how many businesses employ illegals, and therefore there is no telling how many CEOs would end up in prison.usmarine2007 wrote:
I disagree. It would screw with the pockets of those business owners. Illegals don't do jobs American's won't do, they do them for a lot less money. Don't fool yourselves, these business are just lining their own pockets because they can pay someone illegal a lot less money than an American.RedTwizzler wrote:
You realize how many business owners, big and small, would be in jail, or fined (depending on the sentence for employing an illegal)? It could very well screw over the economy. Plus, there would be a foreseeable outlashing against employing hispanics, legal or not, since it would become a liability.
I actually agree with the guest worker idea.
This is why I am boycotting them for this reason.
Whoa, hold on. I'm not gonna "open that bag of shit", but did you seriously just say that people on welfare should be FORCED into taking jobs? Isn't that the essence of slavery?arabeater wrote:
They dont have to be prosecuted to the point of going to prison the first couple times but defiantely stiff fines should be in order, but if they continue to employ illegals then yes they should be severely dealt with (jail time and massive fines would suffice). These people are here ILLEGALLY. That means they are taking jobs that LEGAL and unemployed people on welfare should be forced to take. Thats a whole other bag of shit that I dont wanna open.RedTwizzler wrote:
From a business standpoint, you are correct. However, arabeater said that all employers who employ illegals should be prosecuted. There's no telling how many businesses employ illegals, and therefore there is no telling how many CEOs would end up in prison.usmarine2007 wrote:
I disagree. It would screw with the pockets of those business owners. Illegals don't do jobs American's won't do, they do them for a lot less money. Don't fool yourselves, these business are just lining their own pockets because they can pay someone illegal a lot less money than an American.
I'm sure the multi-million dollar corporation is gonna miss your twenty bucks. Way to stick it to them.dubbs wrote:
This is why I am boycotting them for this reason.
Well then if they feel like that they are being treated unfairly as a whole race then they need to tell their illegal comrades to stop fucking up and either stay in their own country legally or get a permanant visa and become a legal citizen.Turquoise wrote:
Well, normally, I'm staunch about enforcing the law myself, but an outlashing against legal Hispanics is a bad thing. The reaction would likely extend to legal Hispanics for multiple reasons....arabeater wrote:
Yea I agree with punishing people that break the law and they should be no different. So what your saying is by enforcing our immigration laws and punishing the employers that are knowingly hiring illegals, would be a bad thing? Who cares about an outlashing, these people are here illegally! As long as you are here legally and can prove it to your employer you should have nothing to worry about.RedTwizzler wrote:
You realize how many business owners, big and small, would be in jail, or fined (depending on the sentence for employing an illegal)? It could very well screw over the economy. Plus, there would be a foreseeable outlashing against employing hispanics, legal or not, since it would become a liability.
I actually agree with the guest worker idea.
1) people would group all Hispanics together as a liability, because identity theft is relatively easy (and already practiced by many illegals)
2) employers would have misplaced hate toward Hispanics for being the reason why hiring would suddenly be a lot more complicated and dangerous process for them
3) people are stupid, especially when acting on prejudice
That works for me. Fines are a good start, and yes, imprisonment should be reserved for repeat offenders.arabeater wrote:
They dont have to be prosecuted to the point of going to prison the first couple times but defiantely stiff fines should be in order, but if they continue to employ illegals then yes they should be severely dealt with (jail time and massive fines would suffice). These people are here ILLEGALLY. That means they are taking jobs that LEGAL and unemployed people on welfare should be forced to take. Thats a whole other bag of shit that I dont wanna open.
Still, there are concerns with respect to the overall economy. Many have estimated that a significant portion of our economy is built on illegal labor. Some serious labor restructuring will need to take place in order to adapt to a dramatic change in this, and inflation will likely occur (due to better wages for the people in these jobs).
I think he meant it metaphorically... By spending less on welfare and opening up more jobs to legal labor, poor people will go back to working shitty jobs that mostly illegals currently do.RedTwizzler wrote:
Whoa, hold on. I'm not gonna "open that bag of shit", but did you seriously just say that people on welfare should be FORCED into taking jobs? Isn't that the essence of slavery?arabeater wrote:
They dont have to be prosecuted to the point of going to prison the first couple times but defiantely stiff fines should be in order, but if they continue to employ illegals then yes they should be severely dealt with (jail time and massive fines would suffice). These people are here ILLEGALLY. That means they are taking jobs that LEGAL and unemployed people on welfare should be forced to take. Thats a whole other bag of shit that I dont wanna open.RedTwizzler wrote:
From a business standpoint, you are correct. However, arabeater said that all employers who employ illegals should be prosecuted. There's no telling how many businesses employ illegals, and therefore there is no telling how many CEOs would end up in prison.
I'm sure some of them feel that way. Carlos Mencia rags on illegals all the time.arabeater wrote:
Well then if they feel like that they are being treated unfairly as a whole race then they need to tell their illegal comrades to stop fucking up and either stay in their own country legally or get a permanant visa and become a legal citizen.Turquoise wrote:
Well, normally, I'm staunch about enforcing the law myself, but an outlashing against legal Hispanics is a bad thing. The reaction would likely extend to legal Hispanics for multiple reasons....arabeater wrote:
Yea I agree with punishing people that break the law and they should be no different. So what your saying is by enforcing our immigration laws and punishing the employers that are knowingly hiring illegals, would be a bad thing? Who cares about an outlashing, these people are here illegally! As long as you are here legally and can prove it to your employer you should have nothing to worry about.
1) people would group all Hispanics together as a liability, because identity theft is relatively easy (and already practiced by many illegals)
2) employers would have misplaced hate toward Hispanics for being the reason why hiring would suddenly be a lot more complicated and dangerous process for them
3) people are stupid, especially when acting on prejudice
Since it has been over a year, it has been more then 20$. I know that you are correct that they may not see the effect, but to me it is the point. If there is a company that I know of that has a record of hiring illegals, I will do the same.RedTwizzler wrote:
I'm sure the multi-million dollar corporation is gonna miss your twenty bucks. Way to stick it to them.dubbs wrote:
This is why I am boycotting them for this reason.
I feel like doing it a McD's around my house. You have to speak Spanish just to order it seems like. The only reason I have not boycotted them, is that I have no proof that the hire illegals for sure. I could make assumptions, but that is wrong.
Well tell me this do you wanna have these lazy ass people who are for the most part capable of working but are just too goddamn lazy to get off of their ass's and enjoy having hard working citizens (me and you) pay their bills? I sure as shit dont. Also its not slavery, its forcing them to get a job for a change and pay their own bills. These people would be taking jobs that the illegals wouldve otherwise took. We can knock out 2 birds with 1 stone here ( get rid of illegals taking jobs from legal citizens and get lazy ass people off of welfare). Damn I need to call my congressman immediately.RedTwizzler wrote:
Whoa, hold on. I'm not gonna "open that bag of shit", but did you seriously just say that people on welfare should be FORCED into taking jobs? Isn't that the essence of slavery?arabeater wrote:
They dont have to be prosecuted to the point of going to prison the first couple times but defiantely stiff fines should be in order, but if they continue to employ illegals then yes they should be severely dealt with (jail time and massive fines would suffice). These people are here ILLEGALLY. That means they are taking jobs that LEGAL and unemployed people on welfare should be forced to take. Thats a whole other bag of shit that I dont wanna open.RedTwizzler wrote:
From a business standpoint, you are correct. However, arabeater said that all employers who employ illegals should be prosecuted. There's no telling how many businesses employ illegals, and therefore there is no telling how many CEOs would end up in prison.
Yes I totally agree. If it is true that a majority of our economy is largely supported by illegals than we need to seriously rectify that.Turquoise wrote:
That works for me. Fines are a good start, and yes, imprisonment should be reserved for repeat offenders.arabeater wrote:
They dont have to be prosecuted to the point of going to prison the first couple times but defiantely stiff fines should be in order, but if they continue to employ illegals then yes they should be severely dealt with (jail time and massive fines would suffice). These people are here ILLEGALLY. That means they are taking jobs that LEGAL and unemployed people on welfare should be forced to take. Thats a whole other bag of shit that I dont wanna open.
Still, there are concerns with respect to the overall economy. Many have estimated that a significant portion of our economy is built on illegal labor. Some serious labor restructuring will need to take place in order to adapt to a dramatic change in this, and inflation will likely occur (due to better wages for the people in these jobs).
Some is not enough, they need to do something as a whole or it will get messy. I prefer Chappelle over Mencia.Turquoise wrote:
I'm sure some of them feel that way. Carlos Mencia rags on illegals all the time.arabeater wrote:
Well then if they feel like that they are being treated unfairly as a whole race then they need to tell their illegal comrades to stop fucking up and either stay in their own country legally or get a permanant visa and become a legal citizen.Turquoise wrote:
Well, normally, I'm staunch about enforcing the law myself, but an outlashing against legal Hispanics is a bad thing. The reaction would likely extend to legal Hispanics for multiple reasons....
1) people would group all Hispanics together as a liability, because identity theft is relatively easy (and already practiced by many illegals)
2) employers would have misplaced hate toward Hispanics for being the reason why hiring would suddenly be a lot more complicated and dangerous process for them
3) people are stupid, especially when acting on prejudice
Well, of course I don't want to pay for them to sit on their asses, per se, but I also think that forcing a person into working in order to pay off their bills is eerily similar to the indentured servidtude systems of old America, where immigrants would come from Europe, then work for the person who paid for their trip, in exchange for food and clothes.arabeater wrote:
Well tell me this do you wanna have these lazy ass people who are for the most part capable of working but are just too goddamn lazy to get off of their ass's and enjoy having hard working citizens (me and you) pay their bills? I sure as shit dont. Also its not slavery, its forcing them to get a job for a change and pay their own bills. These people would be taking jobs that the illegals wouldve otherwise took. We can knock out 2 birds with 1 stone here ( get rid of illegals taking jobs from legal citizens and get lazy ass people off of welfare). Damn I need to call my congressman immediately.RedTwizzler wrote:
Whoa, hold on. I'm not gonna "open that bag of shit", but did you seriously just say that people on welfare should be FORCED into taking jobs? Isn't that the essence of slavery?arabeater wrote:
They dont have to be prosecuted to the point of going to prison the first couple times but defiantely stiff fines should be in order, but if they continue to employ illegals then yes they should be severely dealt with (jail time and massive fines would suffice). These people are here ILLEGALLY. That means they are taking jobs that LEGAL and unemployed people on welfare should be forced to take. Thats a whole other bag of shit that I dont wanna open.
I don't think that the average working-class citizen should be taxed to fund welfare, but that's not my decision. Maybe if the government wasn't so concerned with giving tax breaks to the rich, they could put the welfare system on their shoulders.
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