qftGunSlinger OIF II wrote:
exactlyVspyVspy wrote:
If you've served you can tell who's lying
Poll
Do you disbelieve anyone that posts saying they were in the military?
| Yes | 23% | 23% - 44 | ||||
| No | 68% | 68% - 126 | ||||
| Of course | 8% | 8% - 15 | ||||
| Total: 185 | ||||||
Sometimes you can tell when someone is lying sometimes you cant if they brag a lot and say they are very high up etc it makes them look suspicious especially if they cant even tell you the basics. Some people I beleive some I dont it depends on how they go on about it. Those that say ive got (insert job here) and say im smarter then you because of it are also quite suspicious expecially when they say they are somewhere high up or have done something for so long and end up blabbing bullshit which someone only need's half a brain to figure out. The way I figure why lie about your job? To impress someone half way around the world? To impress someone you will never meet in real life at all? Job's to me really dont matter I will admit I have one job which I like GA Pilot, Then it goes onto late shift manager at KFC and brick layer. I dont care about what people think of me cause its over teh intranets.
some people are more believable than others. Then again, it's the internet. I could post a lot of pictures of soldiers and claim I was one of them, together with a unit and service record ( those can easily be grabbed through the internet ), and you wouldn't be able to tell wether I was lying to you or not.
With so many different nations and units in service out there, you'd never know the truth.
For example, I served with 2./ Fernmeldeaufklärungsregiment 940 in Daun, from 1995 to 1996 ( picture of the Barracks can be found here: http://www.ralfdiehl.de/mil.html , and I can provide an official service record, but how would you be able to verify if that's my name on the document ?
It's like has been said. If you have served, you can tell how is lying, at least to some extent. Military units operate differently around the world.
The rest is just common sense.
I'll vote no.
With so many different nations and units in service out there, you'd never know the truth.
For example, I served with 2./ Fernmeldeaufklärungsregiment 940 in Daun, from 1995 to 1996 ( picture of the Barracks can be found here: http://www.ralfdiehl.de/mil.html , and I can provide an official service record, but how would you be able to verify if that's my name on the document ?
It's like has been said. If you have served, you can tell how is lying, at least to some extent. Military units operate differently around the world.
The rest is just common sense.
I'll vote no.
I believe there has been quite allot of jumping on Gunslinger's bandwagon, mistakenly believing the respect he gets from both sides of the divide here is due to his service. Someone who has been in a war zone is outrightly humbled by it and what goes on in it. Allot of the caviler gun hoe attitude exuded here by so called military personnel is not the behavior of someone who has been around death. More like arm chair solders IMO.
Unless they're sociopaths.JahManRed wrote:
Allot of the caviler gun hoe attitude exuded here by so called military personnel is not the behavior of someone who has been around death.
id honestly believe thatVspyVspy wrote:
If you've served you can tell who's lying
i have no experience with the military (i am only 16) but some people are so obviouse its just laughable :p
I have to disagree with that premise. I was in for 9 years and decided I needed out after my time on the line during the invasion in 2003. I saw most of the men I had respected and worked with for years turn into gung ho little kids that just couldn't wait to go shoot someone or play with their toys. I also witnessed (and put a stop to) several incidents of what I can only call "institutionalized paranoia", locking, loading, and firing on anyone that looks at you funny because someone on high said "watch out for terrorists" and everyone below on the chain added to this statement until it reached down to my squad and the result was "those sheep are strapping bombs" (people think I'm kidding).I believe there has been quite allot of jumping on Gunslinger's bandwagon, mistakenly believing the respect he gets from both sides of the divide here is due to his service. Someone who has been in a war zone is outrightly humbled by it and what goes on in it. Allot of the caviler gun hoe attitude exuded here by so called military personnel is not the behavior of someone who has been around death. More like arm chair solders IMO.
As an E-4 I had to practically beg and order one of my PFC's to not fire for a full 15 minutes as a kurdish shephard and his flock marched by our position, the whole while he had the look on his face of a panicked deer in headlights and saying how sergeant *** told him that we should shoot anyone that comes near.
In another incident, I saw our battalion CO, an LTC (Irish last name, forgot it already), get his ass reamed like a private by a visiting General from 1ID (hispanic guy) for advancing our logistics unit out way ahead of the infantry. We were sitting 2km from the Iraq border in Turkey. The second the General got in his van and left, he turns to me and asks how many humvees can mount weapons because he wants to convoy some supplies to an SF unit that just took an airfield deep in Kurdish country. WTF?!? He just didn't want to miss any action and we were going to pay for his next promotion in blood. I told him that we didn't have the pintle mounting rings for the humvees for the 249's or Mk19's, thinking I heard it from the supply guys...I didn't really lie.
For the record, I never saw real combat during that deployment. I saw plenty in Kosovo but that was, to me, a better war (intervention?) for a better reason. Also for the record, my job was to babysit the SIPR net account for our unit and starting in January 2000 the Iraq invasion was in the works. Memos would come in so fast they didn't have time to address them to anyone specific, and at first it was very innocuous things that didn't make sense to be classified...like a memo to our "sanitation POC" to make a short training program for digging latrines in the sand, why was that Top Secret? As events "suddenly unfolded" to the rest of the world in 2002, they didn't realize the Iraq invasion was planned since Rummy took control in 2000. It was amazing to pull off the emails, stamp them, and deliver them and then go home and watch CNN and realize that it was all complete crap, the political reasons for the war and the false intell and everything was just another part of the military operation. Add to that not being able to tell ANYONE, even the people I worked with in my shop as conversation bounced around and they really believed the rhetoric. My last 3 years in was a surreal experience I wouldn't wish on anyone and totally shattered my faith in both the principles that I swore to uphold and the heroes I thought I had been working with.
I saw what was coming, I let my contract run out in 2002, got stop-lossed (back door drafted) anyways for another 18 months, dodged promotion boards every month for 2 years hoping they would kick me out (finally worked), but still did my job competently and kept my mouth shut. I'm not a pacifist in the least and I am a patriot to the core, loyal to my country and the ideals it was founded on, not the people in charge that would needlessly put soldiers in harm's way for the sake of destroying those ideals outright. Of course, I didn't know that at the time, it was just a gut feeling.
What really saddened me is after I got out and talked to people still in that I'm in contact with, they still really believed in what they were doing because the alternative, stopping to think about it and growing a conscience, would have horrific psychological and career consequences. You brainwash essentially yourself. Don't think I don't understand that, while I was in my IQ felt about 40 points lower and probably was out of necessity. The thing is that you learn to disassociate your opinions from what you are doing to the point where nothing matters but following your standing orders.
Last edited by GorillaTicTacs (2006-12-20 04:05:18)
i dont believe this guy was really in the military. i can tell he is lying.GorillaTicTacs wrote:
I have to disagree with that premise. I was in for 9 years and decided I needed out after my time on the line during the invasion in 2003. I saw most of the men I had respected and worked with for years turn into gung ho little kids that just couldn't wait to go shoot someone or play with their toys. I also witnessed (and put a stop to) several incidents of what I can only call "institutionalized paranoia", locking, loading, and firing on anyone that looks at you funny because someone on high said "watch out for terrorists" and everyone below on the chain added to this statement until it reached down to my squad and the result was "those sheep are strapping bombs" (people think I'm kidding).I believe there has been quite allot of jumping on Gunslinger's bandwagon, mistakenly believing the respect he gets from both sides of the divide here is due to his service. Someone who has been in a war zone is outrightly humbled by it and what goes on in it. Allot of the caviler gun hoe attitude exuded here by so called military personnel is not the behavior of someone who has been around death. More like arm chair solders IMO.
As an E-4 I had to practically beg and order one of my PFC's to not fire for a full 15 minutes as a kurdish shephard and his flock marched by our position, the whole while he had the look on his face of a panicked deer in headlights and saying how sergeant *** told him that we should shoot anyone that comes near.
In another incident, I saw our battalion CO, an LTC (Irish last name, forgot it already), get his ass reamed like a private by a visiting General from 1ID (hispanic guy) for advancing our logistics unit out way ahead of the infantry. We were sitting 2km from the Iraq border in Turkey. The second the General got in his van and left, he turns to me and asks how many humvees can mount weapons because he wants to convoy some supplies to an SF unit that just took an airfield deep in Kurdish country. WTF?!? He just didn't want to miss any action and we were going to pay for his next promotion in blood. I told him that we didn't have the pintle mounting rings for the humvees for the 249's or Mk19's, thinking I heard it from the supply guys...I didn't really lie.
For the record, I never saw real combat during that deployment. I saw plenty in Kosovo but that was, to me, a better war (intervention?) for a better reason. Also for the record, my job was to babysit the SIPR net account for our unit and starting in January 2000 the Iraq invasion was in the works. Memos would come in so fast they didn't have time to address them to anyone specific, and at first it was very innocuous things that didn't make sense to be classified...like a memo to our "sanitation POC" to make a short training program for digging latrines in the sand, why was that Top Secret? As events "suddenly unfolded" to the rest of the world in 2002, they didn't realize the Iraq invasion was planned since Rummy took control in 2000. It was amazing to pull off the emails, stamp them, and deliver them and then go home and watch CNN and realize that it was all complete crap, the political reasons for the war and the false intell and everything was just another part of the military operation. Add to that not being able to tell ANYONE, even the people I worked with in my shop as conversation bounced around and they really believed the rhetoric. My last 3 years in was a surreal experience I wouldn't wish on anyone and totally shattered my faith in both the principles that I swore to uphold and the heroes I thought I had been working with.
I saw what was coming, I let my contract run out in 2002, got stop-lossed (back door drafted) anyways for another 18 months, dodged promotion boards every month for 2 years hoping they would kick me out (finally worked), but still did my job competently and kept my mouth shut. I'm not a pacifist in the least and I am a patriot to the core, loyal to my country and the ideals it was founded on, not the people in charge that would needlessly put soldiers in harm's way for the sake of destroying those ideals outright. Of course, I didn't know that at the time, it was just a gut feeling.
What really saddened me is after I got out and talked to people still in that I'm in contact with, they still really believed in what they were doing because the alternative, stopping to think about it and growing a conscience, would have horrific psychological and career consequences. You brainwash essentially yourself. Don't think I don't understand that, while I was in my IQ felt about 40 points lower and probably was out of necessity. The thing is that you learn to disassociate your opinions from what you are doing to the point where nothing matters but following your standing orders.
i dont believe this guy was really in the military. i can tell he is lying.
It's all good mate...you don't need to. I still get to check my veteran box in the job applications, collect my 20% disability pension for blowing out my kneecap, tell bad stories when I get drunk, and stare at my stack of coins sitting on my desk that won't buy a cup of coffee. That's all that seems to matter now.
PS...
Have to add, the ability to wear my polished combat boots and tighty-whities around the house...and a strip-tease wearing my dress blues still does the wife some good, so they stay in the closet for combat readiness purposes
Last edited by GorillaTicTacs (2006-12-20 04:34:19)
lol, this guy has obviously served, all service personnel no matter what nationality have a morbid sense of humour being so close to death. i serve my self, never been near the death, but my troop staff sgt has and hes as morbid as they come......so horny he could shag a stab wound is his main phrase.....i'll say no more.GorillaTicTacs wrote:
i dont believe this guy was really in the military. i can tell he is lying.
It's all good mate...you don't need to. I still get to check my veteran box in the job applications, collect my 20% disability pension for blowing out my kneecap, tell bad stories when I get drunk, and stare at my stack of coins sitting on my desk that won't buy a cup of coffee. That's all that seems to matter now.
PS...
Have to add, the ability to wear my polished combat boots and tighty-whities around the house...and a strip-tease wearing my dress blues still does the wife some good, so they stay in the closet for combat readiness purposes
I'd probably serve if we had a military...but we don't...
I'm interesting in joining the Viking squad though, (Icelandic SWAT-a-like)
I'm interesting in joining the Viking squad though, (Icelandic SWAT-a-like)
The Joker in the middle is mecyborg_ninja-117 wrote:
Give me proof you were in the military, pictures of you in service and MOS details. Gunslinger and usmarine2007 proved it.
Iraq 2004
you guys totally put the smack down on those evil office chairs!!!
Indeedkr@cker wrote:
you guys totally put the smack down on those evil office chairs!!!
to joker:
MOS plz
It was a Bn photo....just so the officers had something to say they were there lol....and we had to steal the chairs!!! .....kr@cker wrote:
you guys totally put the smack down on those evil office chairs!!!
And cyborg_ninja-117 I'm British...WTF is MOS?? Google .. Military Occupational Speciality
Infantry Soldier....Support Weapons Specialist...Anti-Tank(Milan ATGW)/Mortars (81mm)/SF(7.62 GPMG/Sniper(L96 Leupold)..all round good guy just out after 25 years (inc 3 as a junior)
Spent 2 years in each platoon the took over as Support Company CSM ( Company Sergeant Major )
Last edited by joker3327 (2006-12-20 07:57:56)
I wanted to go into the army.
But they wanted to offer me a deskjob or something because of my bad eyesight.
Bummer.
So I decided to go and do something else.
But they wanted to offer me a deskjob or something because of my bad eyesight.
Bummer.
So I decided to go and do something else.
Ex sailor here, commissioning crew (plankowner) & time out performing sea trials of the USS John C. Stennis (CVN-74). Left as E-5 or YN2 (AW), Yeoman 2nd Class (Enlisted Air Warfare Specialist). Served 4 years and left to start civilian life as Networking Engineer.
MOS=Your job!!!!
MOS=Your job!!!!
Last edited by darthazeem (2006-12-20 08:16:35)
When you talk to an American army guy, just say 11 X-Ray. I think 11 Hotel is more specific, but I don't know the specialties anymore. 11 series is general infantry, 11 Bravo (11B) being a standard grunt off the assembly line. You can further tack on 00 (private to PFC), 10 (SPC/Corporal level), 20 (sergeant), 30 (staff sergeant), or 40 (1st Sergeant/Master Sergeant) to the code. i.e. A grunt infantry Staff Sergeant would be 11B30.Infantry Soldier....Support Weapons Specialist...Anti-Tank(Milan ATGW)/Mortars (81mm)/SF(7.62 GPMG/Sniper(L96 Leupold)..all round good guy just out after 25 years (inc 3 as a junior)
I held 3 different MOS's while I was in, nothing too fun though...98G-AD/QB (Signal Intelligence Interceptor, Arabic/Spanish Qualified), 42E/91BP3 (Combat Medic combined with Optician), and my final and longest job, 74B (Systems Admin, but with my Top Secret from the first MOS still in effect put me in a basement with no windows babysitting the "other" internet...until Iraq where I suddenly became an expendable draftee with a 249 on my hip). I took schools instead of a cash bonus whenever my re-up time came around, they let you do that once on the first re-up, on the second re-up also if you know whose ass to kiss and they're really short in a field.
For anyone going in, get a job that requires a Top Secret clearance right out the gate, it makes you privy to what's really going on no matter which job you switch to later. Sometimes its better not to know, but it lets you laugh quietly while the S-2 b.s.'s through the command briefings, and gives you plenty of warning to get your shit in order when something is coming down the pike that will effect you later.
Actually, I've been a game designer at a 3rd-world Ubisoft sweatshop in Romania for the last 2 years. The military was nothing compared to being forced to design bad Xbox games all day and you having no choice in the matter. If the job doesn't kill you, try living in Bucharest. It does a real number on your mental health.lol, this guy has obviously served, all service personnel no matter what nationality have a morbid sense of humour being so close to death.
I was in the army for 9 months and 2 weeks. Everybody has to go to the army in Norway. Some go for 9 months or 12. Its the biggest kinder garden we got
yeah, growing up my brother wanted to go to the AF academy and pilot, but due to some eye surgeries, they wouldn't even allow him to navigate, so he ended up in the naval acadamy. I always wanted to go navy and ended up working for the AF (civy).Gillenator wrote:
I wanted to go into the army.
But they wanted to offer me a deskjob or something because of my bad eyesight.
Bummer.
So I decided to go and do something else.
edit: on my way to work this morning i was greeted by a fighter jet in the middle of the highway (it just came out of one of our "body shops" and was heading down to the museum), it was a single seat, looked kinda like a f-105 or 106, but the flag on the tail was a yellow circle inside a red circle with what looked like a green pot leaf in the center, anyone know what country that was? as i said, the fighter was being towed to the museum (looked like a bunch of cops were chasing a jet down the street, i tried to snap a pic but by the time my phone powered up the angle was bad), so the flag may not be in use anymore.
Last edited by kr@cker (2006-12-20 08:43:25)
Can I ask who? PM me if you don't want to tell everyone. I'd just be nice to know who I feel I can listen to, and who I can't.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
there are two individuals that post that are full of shit about their military service.
great posts man. anybody whos been in boots knows your genuine. slight change in MOS's today. the 11 series no longer includes 11H. When I enlisted I was 11X open contract. then I found out I was going to Ft Hood as mech and they made me a 11M (greatest. MOS. ever.) about two years after that, the army decides to phase out 11H and 11M and just have 11B's and charlies. I went from heavy mechanized infantry to 11B over night. Now, Im 11B primary and Psy Op specialist secondary MOS in the reserves. shame they dont got infantry in the Army reserve.GorillaTicTacs wrote:
When you talk to an American army guy, just say 11 X-Ray. I think 11 Hotel is more specific, but I don't know the specialties anymore. 11 series is general infantry, 11 Bravo (11B) being a standard grunt off the assembly line. You can further tack on 00 (private to PFC), 10 (SPC/Corporal level), 20 (sergeant), 30 (staff sergeant), or 40 (1st Sergeant/Master Sergeant) to the code. i.e. A grunt infantry Staff Sergeant would be 11B30.Infantry Soldier....Support Weapons Specialist...Anti-Tank(Milan ATGW)/Mortars (81mm)/SF(7.62 GPMG/Sniper(L96 Leupold)..all round good guy just out after 25 years (inc 3 as a junior)
I held 3 different MOS's while I was in, nothing too fun though...98G-AD/QB (Signal Intelligence Interceptor, Arabic/Spanish Qualified), 42E/91BP3 (Combat Medic combined with Optician), and my final and longest job, 74B (Systems Admin, but with my Top Secret from the first MOS still in effect put me in a basement with no windows babysitting the "other" internet...until Iraq where I suddenly became an expendable draftee with a 249 on my hip). I took schools instead of a cash bonus whenever my re-up time came around, they let you do that once on the first re-up, on the second re-up also if you know whose ass to kiss and they're really short in a field.
For anyone going in, get a job that requires a Top Secret clearance right out the gate, it makes you privy to what's really going on no matter which job you switch to later. Sometimes its better not to know, but it lets you laugh quietly while the S-2 b.s.'s through the command briefings, and gives you plenty of warning to get your shit in order when something is coming down the pike that will effect you later.Actually, I've been a game designer at a 3rd-world Ubisoft sweatshop in Romania for the last 2 years. The military was nothing compared to being forced to design bad Xbox games all day and you having no choice in the matter. If the job doesn't kill you, try living in Bucharest. It does a real number on your mental health.lol, this guy has obviously served, all service personnel no matter what nationality have a morbid sense of humour being so close to death.
Last edited by GunSlinger OIF II (2006-12-20 09:45:36)
ex RE here , 51 field squadron air assault was based in ripon.[=][=]DADDYOFDEATH wrote:
no. BRITISH ARMY ROYAL ENGINEERS HERE.......CPL WILLIAMS!
disagree bro. ive never been in a war until OIF and a lot of the shit i thought was gonna one way completley surprised me. I hate hearing about how people are SUPPOSED to fucking act if theyve been in combat zone by people who have never been in any kind of situation even close to it. I mean honestly, am I expected to crouch low and jump to the ground everytime I hear loud bang for the rest of my life. cmon get real brosef, im 24 years old and I got a whole life ahead of me to not worry about tramautic events or what not. not to mention that Im still in the army, im still going to deploy. if I displayed the kind of attitude you suggest "real" combat veterans display then what kind of fucking use am I, preparing and training for redeployment, or any one else who is presently on their second, thrid or fourth tour when were all supposed to be scared and tramautized. I argue the exact opposite of what you say my man, that "caviler gun hoe" attitude is exactly what kept me and a lot of other people alive outside the wire doing patrols. we're not teddy bears.JahManRed wrote:
I believe there has been quite allot of jumping on Gunslinger's bandwagon, mistakenly believing the respect he gets from both sides of the divide here is due to his service. Someone who has been in a war zone is outrightly humbled by it and what goes on in it. Allot of the caviler gun hoe attitude exuded here by so called military personnel is not the behavior of someone who has been around death. More like arm chair solders IMO.
Not teddy bears?
I'm sorry, but in spite of that tough haji exterior I just know you're a sucker for huggles.
it's all just a front, don't hide it
I'm sorry, but in spite of that tough haji exterior I just know you're a sucker for huggles.
it's all just a front, don't hide it
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