What I said and you didn't quote was that being Lybia where this happened, I bet they are innocent, but unfortunately, they'll be considered guilty if they can't prove they aren't, because it's Lybia. They are being judged in that place.GorillaTicTacs wrote:
Actually, you are innocent UNTIL you are proven guilty via evidence. Though in Libya it may be acceptable to put the burden of proof on the defendant, here in the USA it is the American thing, though lately with the "Military Commissions Act" and the PATRIOT Act, this rule and public dialogue has been shifted away from that core principle. I caught more than a few times on these boards where people say its "ok to torture so you can prove someone is a terrorist or not" and "suspects get the punishment that is coming to them", and even that someone "must prove they aren't guilty" (like in this case). Frankly this scares the hell out of me that anyone that took even the barest course in American civics or history of the US Constitution could even consider such a thing as right, and that people would agree with leaders that advocate such a completely un-American stance. Ideas like this (apologies to the poster if the shoe doesn't fit and it was a mis-type) rip out the very heart of why the US was once a great nation and what differentiated us for so long from any two-bit empire to come down the historical turnpike. Unfortunately it is what happens when anger, fear, and passion override common sense and logic and the events in Libya should be a stark warning to any other nation that condones this path.I think we all feel sorry for those kids. The problem here is making justice, not killing innocent people to cover a shitty hospital. If there's a scientific proof that the infection started before the medics arrived, then they are innocent. If they can't prove that, even if they acted with negligence, they're guilty. Being Lybia the place where this happened, I would bet they are innocent.
Yes, it is a massive miscarriage of justice and strikes at those that would want to do some good in this world. This should be headline news and the subject of US intervention, but unfortunately we no longer have any moral high ground from which to speak from nor the diplomatic ability to resolve this conflict in any other way than armed intervention (which would be innapropriate). Our dear leadership has assured that.
I'm not surprised by the farcical "justice" system in Libya. This is a country that is very poor and full of mostly uneducated people.
I just hope that true justice prevails, and these doctors are freed. Unfortunately, that's probably not going to happen.
I just hope that true justice prevails, and these doctors are freed. Unfortunately, that's probably not going to happen.
I think we all feel sorry for those kids. The problem here is making justice, not killing innocent people to cover a shitty hospital. If there's a scientific proof that the infection started before the medics arrived, then they are innocent. The kids results were send for evaluation to the Oxford University and they determined that the kids were infected long before the medics to arrive in the country. Being Lybia the place where this happened, I would bet they are innocent. So, is this your understanding for justice? God bless and help those people that tried to help and now are black sheep sentenced to die for the negligence of other hands ...sergeriver wrote:
The fact is, it doesn't matter if it's negligence, it cost the life to a lot of children.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
If they did it.xtrem3_4c3 wrote:
Those bastards.Those kids have it hard enough with stiffling conditions. I think that sentence is perfect.
the full article: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061219/ap_ … aids_trial
last sentence: "Using changes in the genetic information of HIV over time as a "molecular clock," the analysts concluded the virus was contracted as much as three years before the defendants arrived at the hospital." thank you very much!
Last edited by [KS]RECON (2006-12-19 17:57:53)
it's fucking perfect. but, question:
Mr. Pickton (or w/e) Killed like ~70 women and is being TRIALED while these FIVE people kill 52. Bullshit? Fuck yes
Mr. Pickton (or w/e) Killed like ~70 women and is being TRIALED while these FIVE people kill 52. Bullshit? Fuck yes