BF2S Forums Which God is God?

Response to post #45 by Fen321.  Cut out quote to shorten this post.

God is unknowable - 
Speaking as someone who does not believe in God’s existence (according to how I’ve read your post), how can you be certain He’s unknowable?  One could not get to know someone whose existence they refuse to acknowledge. 

God is beyond the ability for man to fathom and understand - 
True.  That’s why He sent His Son and gave us His teachings in a form our finite minds can grasp.  We can’t even completely understand the world we live in, let alone grasp the depth of an infinite God.

For man to think that God made the universe simply for man is about as big of an anthropic bias as there can be. –
I don’t believe the universe was made just for man either, instead God created it for Himself.  Reading between the lines I assume you believe in alien races.  My personal view is that God could very well have created other beings that we will never have the technology to discover.  We have no way of knowing that without exploring every corner of our universe – the definition of impossible. 

Existence of man is a mere blip in respect to the age of the universe. –
True.  We’re a blip compared to eternity.   How long has the universe existed up until now?  I’ll go back to our finite minds on this one.  We humans are extremely arrogant to say we grasp the true age of our universe.  I’ll let God decide for whom He made the universe and how long He wants to keep the universe around. 

There are many paths to God –
If this is true, how can God be just?  The standard has to be evenly applied for justice to be upheld. 

Hell does not exist because God is merciful –
God is just, as such His nature requires Him to punish sin.  Why hold back and watch some make it while others don’t?  Free will.  We are imperfect, finite beings who have been given the means to become perfect, immortal beings when we arrive in Heaven by accepting salvation.  Whether or not we decide to accept that gift is entirely in our court.  There is nothing we can do as humans to "make it" on our own.  God’s mercy is shown by His provision of salvation in the first place.  We do not deserve it in the least bit.  His grace is shown by His continued forgiveness of our failures after we accept salvation.

Scr0k wrote:

Ok well Christianity is the real religion


1. I have a Christian friend that temporarily died and was revived at the hospital and he swore that he was in heaven talking with god.
2. The bible isn't something man made up, like the Hindu Religion and the Muslim Religion and the Buddhist Religion (Galatians 1:11)
3. Feel free to believe in whatever you want, but I look forward to meeting you in heaven.

P.S. Mayan Calendars are the most accurate calenders in history, they have been 22 seconds off from the modern day calendar, which is the true accurate calender. The Mayan Calender says that the world will end and that The 2nd coming of Christ will happen on December 23rd, 2012....


I believe that the rapture (see Revelations) will occur in our lifetime.

John 3:16
Galatians 4:7
Isiah 53:6

-Scr0k

Sorry to double post, but I just read this.

1. That has been proved to be a result of the limbic system going into overdrive. Depending on your upbringing you will see different things - strong christians will see god as a man, while Hindus might see one of their gods - atheists often see just light or something else.

2. You're using a reference in a book to prove that it is true. I could do the same:

The Book of Talon wrote:

God doesn't exist. This is true.

3. Nobody can prove that the afterlife exists. Say you have a piece of chocolate (probably a bad example). You are given a choice. You can eat it now, or leave it for the chance that something else will happen. However, you don't know what the other option is. You might get unlimited chocolate. You might get no chcocolate. So you eat the chocolate now, to "live life to its fullest". If it exists, the afterlife will still come, and what gets you into "heaven" isn't dictated by a bunch of people who have never been there.

4. And the Mayans weren't even Christian, they had their own gods. Since they practised human sacrifice, I doubt they would want a Messiah.

Come on Stingy,

Stingray24 wrote:

Reading between the lines I assume you believe in alien races.  My personal view is that God could very well have created other beings that we will never have the technology to discover.  We have no way of knowing that without exploring every corner of our universe – the definition of impossible.

Now your making it up as it goes along. If he (sorry He ffs) made aliens, why didnt he say so? Are THEY in his (aw fuck His) image, or not? If not, are they not as godly as us? Nah, you don't get that one.

Stingray24 wrote:

God is just, as such His nature requires Him to punish sin....... There is nothing we can do as humans to "make it" on our own.  God’s mercy is shown by His provision of salvation in the first place.  We do not deserve it in the least bit.

So we got "free will", which explains all the bad shit goin down, but there's nothing you can do about it, cos you're shit too. But you're in his (....His) image, so.......

Look, just say faith, alright? You feel nice and safe, cos you're SAVED, and I ain't, so you feel a little smug too. But I don't give a shit about how you feel, I only care about sense. And its not sensible to live for a maybe afterlife at the expense of this one.

How many times to you think about this sort of human stupidity and then go "Oh right Matt and Trey did that season 2......."

TrollmeaT wrote:

I think Sea man is the most powerful god but I could be wrong...
http://www.pamspaulding.com/weblog/grap … riends.gif
Our powers combined!

No, Captain Planet is!

Þor ftw!

-Stingray24-

I apologise if i made it sound as if there is no  God, but simply i meant to say that the merciful God you speak of does not excist. Too many human characteritcs are assigned to this God all of which are good ones at best, love, compassion, mercy, but what about the not so good ones such as sadistic? Your life is simply a test to see if you can turn away from an excistance here on earth. You have to refuse life on earth for you to attain heaven, but that in itself is a hard pill to swallow for anyone. Sadistic in the sense that free will is an illusion that is meant to explain away way men are fucked up and "evil" sometimes.

As for the age of the Universe, its been put around some 15 billion years of age (approx). That's a LONG time compared to how long we humans have excisted and in this short time frame we have manged to place our own excistance at the top of the food chain not only in this world, but in the afterlife.

Simply put i would have to be hard pressed to deny the excistance of a God, he just ins't the one we all know of, hell God wasn't perfect till some guy in a desert desided him to be perfecet before that he was unknowable. I simply have this gut feeling based on personal expereiece and plenty of reading that man kind right now is so alienated from its true self "spiritual self" that it does not realize that our own conciouse is this God yet its being retarded by this earthly body. Notice how i said my own experiece, that's what its all about experienceing life and all that's in it eventally some will realize that excistance is more than a casual accident the size of which is pretty astounding, but that's the beauty in seeing things this way i don't have to rely on any set of dogma to dectate my life and its pretty satsifying.

Sin is a fear factor that impinges your every thought and does not allow you to live. Living in fear of a hell does not sound like a nice way to live.

Fen321 wrote:

-Stingray24-

I apologise if i made it sound as if there is no  God, but simply i meant to say that the merciful God you speak of does not excist. Too many human characteritcs are assigned to this God all of which are good ones at best, love, compassion, mercy, but what about the not so good ones such as sadistic? Your life is simply a test to see if you can turn away from an excistance here on earth. You have to refuse life on earth for you to attain heaven, but that in itself is a hard pill to swallow for anyone. Sadistic in the sense that free will is an illusion that is meant to explain away way men are fucked up and "evil" sometimes.

As for the age of the Universe, its been put around some 15 billion years of age (approx). That's a LONG time compared to how long we humans have excisted and in this short time frame we have manged to place our own excistance at the top of the food chain not only in this world, but in the afterlife.

Simply put i would have to be hard pressed to deny the excistance of a God, he just ins't the one we all know of, hell God wasn't perfect till some guy in a desert desided him to be perfecet before that he was unknowable. I simply have this gut feeling based on personal expereiece and plenty of reading that man kind right now is so alienated from its true self "spiritual self" that it does not realize that our own conciouse is this God yet its being retarded by this earthly body. Notice how i said my own experiece, that's what its all about experienceing life and all that's in it eventally some will realize that excistance is more than a casual accident the size of which is pretty astounding, but that's the beauty in seeing things this way i don't have to rely on any set of dogma to dectate my life and its pretty satsifying.

Sin is a fear factor that impinges your every thought and does not allow you to live. Living in fear of a hell does not sound like a nice way to live.

Just a note: when you talk about the age of the universe, make sure you don't make it sound like it's 15 billion years plus/minus a few hundred million years. It's more like 15 billion years plus/imuns a few billion years - the methods used to work this out are so vague that the possible answers range from 8 - 20 billion years. However, in practical terms, it makes little difference.

Carry on.

Bertser7 wrote:

if he did indeed exist.

Speculation on this point is unneccesary. Romans record show that they did curcify a guy named Jesus (translated Joshua) on the day that Jesus was supposed to be crucified.

Last edited by Spark (2006-12-18 21:06:57)

WTF is this man?????????????

From a point of view of anthropology, most religions contain many similar elements.
They are all the same.