BF2S Forums The training of an american soldier?

SEREMAKER wrote:

Commie Killer wrote:

Kyouteki wrote:

Unless you're U.S.A.F.  Then you just spend most of your time sweeping floors and pulling apart shitty aircraft...

Umm, just a question, but how can you call some of the most if not the most advanced aircraft in the world shitty?

the planes are shitty for 1 reason - made by the lowest bidder ---- I loved riding in the Sea Knights and seeing duct tape (universal tool ) everywhere and having hydraulic fluid leak on me

Now if they were that shitty why didnt the Soviets attack, why did we win WWII, why did we win North Korea, why did we win Vietnam(over a million of them killed compared to 58,000 of us but lets not get into a argument about that), why did we destroy the Iraqi Military in Desert Storm, Enduring Freedom, OIF? Explain me that, now if you would prefer that we spent more money on planes that are pretty much equal that ok, I guess that makes sense somehow. Anyways the Marines always end up getting what ever crap is left over, though with the introduction of the F35B and the FA18s that are in service maybe thats changing.

SlightlySto0pid wrote:

Even tho everyone considers the F-35 to be shit in BF2 is it "good" IRL?

Yea its not that bad but i have heard that it is having a few problems. But thats normal with anything new.

Commie Killer wrote:

SEREMAKER wrote:

Commie Killer wrote:

Umm, just a question, but how can you call some of the most if not the most advanced aircraft in the world shitty?

the planes are shitty for 1 reason - made by the lowest bidder ---- I loved riding in the Sea Knights and seeing duct tape (universal tool ) everywhere and having hydraulic fluid leak on me

Now if they were that shitty why didnt the Soviets attack, why did we win WWII, why did we win North Korea, why did we win Vietnam(over a million of them killed compared to 58,000 of us but lets not get into a argument about that), why did we destroy the Iraqi Military in Desert Storm, Enduring Freedom, OIF? Explain me that, now if you would prefer that we spent more money on planes that are pretty much equal that ok, I guess that makes sense somehow. Anyways the Marines always end up getting what ever crap is left over, though with the introduction of the F35B and the FA18s that are in service maybe thats changing.

wouldnt the AV-8 be considered getting something that isnt just "leftover crap"?

Commie Killer wrote:

Parker wrote:

Commie Killer wrote:

Now if they were that shitty why didnt the Soviets attack, why did we win WWII, why did we win North Korea, why did we win Vietnam(over a million of them killed compared to 58,000 of us but lets not get into a argument about that), why did we destroy the Iraqi Military in Desert Storm, Enduring Freedom, OIF? Explain me that, now if you would prefer that we spent more money on planes that are pretty much equal that ok, I guess that makes sense somehow. Anyways the Marines always end up getting what ever crap is left over, though with the introduction of the F35B and the FA18s that are in service maybe thats changing.

wouldnt the AV-8 be considered getting something that isnt just "leftover crap"?

Ok, scratch that left over crap bull shit, the stuff they get is damn good, just not as good as the rest of the services get.

Well thats because they are the smallest of the Armed Forces.

usmarine... whats your KD in RL?

*g*

Still amusing - I had it quoted somewhere that by number of aircraft, the USAF is the largest aerial power in the world, with the US army as number 2. India rates as no. 4.

Not america, meh...

For NZ, I'm told regular force soldiers here have 12 weeks of basic training, then corp training (infantry, medic, artillery, signals etc) which is roughly the same amount again, and 6-12 months of officer training on top of that if you're going down that route.  I'm also told they're trialling 22 weeks of basic training for regular force.  Territorial force (reserves) = 8 weeks of training; 6 weeks basic and 2 weeks of your specialty.  SAS, fuck knows, I've always been told between 2 and 4 years on top of regular force training.

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

Miller wrote:

I have a question. Should I try to get into the Naval Academy and learn to fly? Or go to the Marines.

United States Army Infantry

eewww infantry...

motherdear wrote:

yuckfou09 where are you from, because if i remember correctly then the training that the british paras get sound pretty similar to the israeli training. ofcourse i can`t garante that it`s the same since i have never done it myself,
but anyway i`m gonna join the marines as soon as i quit school. but the mout houses and shooting ranges are made so that you get the drill of the CQC and at the shooting ranges you famililarize with your weapon and learn to clean it and how to shoot, and if you shoot good enough and sneak well enough on the combat simulations you might get invited to join the marine sniper school (Quantico)

British Para Training


Training in the Parachute Regiment is some of the toughest of its kind in the world, and it has to be. A Light Infantry Airborne unit must be trained to the highest of standards possible if it is to win against numerically superior forces which are also better equipped. The initial training, Basic Recruit Training, is divided into two Phases; Phase 1 Common Military Syllabus (CMS PARA) and Phase 2, Infantry Training Centre - Catterick (ITC C). The first phase teaches basic skills and gives the recruit the fitness they require for military activity and to continue further on in the course. Phase 2 is teaching the recruit their Infantry skills and specialist skills of being an Airborne soldier, the skills of parachuting.

Phase 1 Common Military Syllabus - Para, ATR Lichfield (14 weeks)

This takes place in Staffordshire. The course is different to the rest of the Army and the Regiment has their own instructors. This is due to the nature of the Parachute Regiment and their specific requirements. The training includes discipline and drill, parade work, fieldcraft, fitness, and basic weapons skills and marksmanship. Further weapons skills are taught to a much higher standard in Phase 2. Here the recruits face the Stretcher Race, four men taking turns to carry a 90kg steel stretcher while the others in the unit carry their packs and rifles. The recruits also learn what a Tab is. A Paratrooper 'Tabs' which is faster than normal over shorter distances, requirements of the nature of Airborne troops in field environments. The lighter weights carried and shorter distances traveled over are debatable. There is also the 'Ten Miler' run to content with.

Phase 2 Infantry Training Centre - Catterick, North Yorkshire (14 weeks)

Otherwise known as Special to Arm Training this Phase provides the recruit with the skills he needs to perform the role of the Infantry soldier. The skills of war are developed and fitness increases with speed and endurance marches. By the time the first ten weeks are up the recruit has been trained in the use of all the weapons of his trade including the Milan Anti-tank Guided Missile and hand grenades.

In weeks 10 and 11 Pre-Parachute Selection takes place, or P Company as it is known. The recruit must pass this selection if they are to carry on. If they fail they will be unable to become Paratroopers. The con-course (confidence course) tests a candidate's ability to handle heights. Courage and determination are constantly tested and the PTI's (Physical Training Instructors) keep a close eye on everyone very closely. At the conclusion the recruit earns the right to wear his Maroon Beret.

Week 12 consists of a five day life fire exercise called "Mole Mania". It teaches and reinforces all the skills learned for combat where trenches are dug, the recruits live in the field, defending their positions. This is something that recruits from other Regiments do not get to do until they are posted to their units after training.

Week 13 is Field firing week were the recruits get to use all their weapons, live ammunition only. From Close Quarters Battle (CQB) right up to Platoon level. In order to pass this part of the course recruits must show their complete competence in safe handling of all weapons.

The final week is spent in preparation for passing out. This is the point where a recruit has become a trained soldier, a Paratrooper in one of the most Elite regiments of the British Army and indeed one of the most elite fighting forces of the world.

At the end of Phase 2 it is time for Basic Parachute training which is held at Brize Norton and run by the Royal Air Force. The course progresses through from simple through to those with complete equipment at night. At the conclusion the Paratrooper gets his 'wings' and gets, as a result, their Para pay which is a bonus on top of normal pay in acknowledgement of the risks involved in military parachuting. From here the fully qualified Paratrooper goes off to continue their career with their respective battalions of the Parachute Regiment.

Comments

A square badge under the parachute wings qualification signifies what element the individual Paratrooper hails from;

1 Para = Red
2 Para = Blue
3 Para = Green
4 (V) Para (TA) = Black is the only Territorial Army Parachute Battalion

Vertical blue red and green bars making up the badge denote the Regimental Headquarters (RHQ)
Pathfinder Platoon = red top half / green bottom half, upward pointing black arrow.

http://www.army.mod.uk/para/

Last edited by joker3327 (2006-12-18 07:05:47)

{BMF}*Frank_The_Tank wrote:

motherdear wrote:

yuckfou09 where are you from, because if i remember correctly then the training that the british paras get sound pretty similar to the israeli training. ofcourse i can`t garante that it`s the same since i have never done it myself,
but anyway i`m gonna join the marines as soon as i quit school. but the mout houses and shooting ranges are made so that you get the drill of the CQC and at the shooting ranges you famililarize with your weapon and learn to clean it and how to shoot, and if you shoot good enough and sneak well enough on the combat simulations you might get invited to join the marine sniper school (Quantico)

I hope your not talking about high school.

But it goes as usmarine said, it all depends on your job.

For the Air Force Security Forces -

Basic - 6 1/2 weeks (Next fall it moves to 8 1/2 weeks)
Tech School - 13 (ish) weeks, its somewhere around 10 - 14 weeks.

But if you go for something like TAC-P, Combat Control, SERE, Pararescue your tech school is pretty long.  Same goes for linguist jobs.

Ya my Air Force tech school for Satellite, Wideband and Telemetry Systems was about a year. My combat school training was a month and then I go thru upgrade training for my job for another 15 months. I gots a $7,000 bonus too. But those were the good old days when bonus' were given out.

Hey man, when was the last time you were deployed and what base were you at?

I was deployed this past Summer for a few months to Kirkuk Regional Air Base, Iraq.

I'd only join the Army if I could do some shit with an Apache.

Masques wrote:

Commie Killer wrote:

SEREMAKER wrote:

the planes are shitty for 1 reason - made by the lowest bidder ---- I loved riding in the Sea Knights and seeing duct tape (universal tool ) everywhere and having hydraulic fluid leak on me

Now if they were that shitty why didnt the Soviets attack, why did we win WWII, why did we win North Korea, why did we win Vietnam(over a million of them killed compared to 58,000 of us but lets not get into a argument about that), why did we destroy the Iraqi Military in Desert Storm, Enduring Freedom, OIF? Explain me that, now if you would prefer that we spent more money on planes that are pretty much equal that ok, I guess that makes sense somehow. Anyways the Marines always end up getting what ever crap is left over, though with the introduction of the F35B and the FA18s that are in service maybe thats changing.

I didn't know the US won in Korea or Vietnam...and Iraq is still very much in play.

bascially we lost nam, but technically not. we kicked some serious ass