thats pretty much depression for you...DesertFox423 wrote:
How different can they be feeling? I doubt they are raked with pain 24/7 and cannot find anything that makes them happy.Spark wrote:
I wonder if these people would be so arrogant if we just let them feel what these people felt for just an hour. An hour!
Well if you ARE clinically depressed, just eat your gun already and do us all a favor. Please and thank you.usmarine2007 wrote:
My comfortable amrchair? How do you know they were suffering from clinical depression? Also, I am not making light of anything, did I say a joke anywhere? My point is simple, if they can't handle high school, what good are they going to be in later life when things actually get really hard?CameronPoe wrote:
As a sufferer of clinical depression I can tell you that NO-ONE who does not have it or that has never had it can possibly grasp how horrendous it is. usmarine2007 you are an insensitive know-nothing. It's all very well for you in your comfortable armchair to make light of someone's mind going so far awry that they feel compelled to make the ultimate sacrifice. Thankfully for you you will never know the crushing pain and anguish this all-consuming affliction causes.
Well, I had a friend commit suicide right before I left for boot camp in 1995, also a neighbor the day of my high school graduation. Then some dude tried to kill himself at boot camp by jumping off the third floor stairway on the way to chow..luckily we grabbed his ankles in time. I have seen friends blown apart by IED's.Stingray24 wrote:
USmarine, yes a bit insensitive. Losing someone close would hit anyone hard, but especially a high schooler. Losing a close friend is likely the deepest pain a teenager can experience, I know from personal experience. These students killed themselves in response to their pain, not clinical depression. Notice the pallbearers in the previous funerals committed suicide. Being pallbearers they were likely very close to the deceased. They apparently could not find a way to heal the pain and ended their own lives, too. Very sad.
My faith and close friends kept me going after losing my good friend and my grandfather in the same year. The thought of suicide crossed my mind but I knew first, it was wrong. Second, I knew if I committed suicide, my mother would not be capable of recovering from the grief. It would have hurt her and the rest of my family and friends even more deeply than I was hurting over deaths by natural causes. Third, it would erase my ability to contribute good to this life.
I am not coming out of left field with this stuff. I have seen some pretty horrific things right before my eyes, which is more than I can say for some of these people. I have seen a baby dead in a pool of blood. Why have I not committed suicide? I do not understand what you guys are saying. Having people die who you know is justification for committing suicide? I feel sorry for the families, but not the people who commit suicide.
Gee, maybe that's because you're insensitive and they aren't. Just a thought.
So, if I were sensative I would have hung myself? Glad I am an asshole then.Bubbalo wrote:
Gee, maybe that's because you're insensitive and they aren't. Just a thought.
I'm just pointing out that you claim to be insensitive then bitch about all the things you have to witness.
I am not bitching about those things at all. I am trying to understand why seeing those things is justification for hanging yourself.Bubbalo wrote:
I'm just pointing out that you claim to be insensitive then bitch about all the things you have to witness.
Because they can cause huge amounts of stress.
Everyone reacts differently marine, especially emotional teenagers. Now I agree with you in that they didn't need to kill themselves, but amazingly I'm going to have to side with Bubbalo on this one.
So can a lot of things, not just death. If everyone killed themselves over stress, nobody would be alive.Bubbalo wrote:
Because they can cause huge amounts of stress.
I think the other thing you need to take into account is that militaries do to a great deal of trouble to ensure that their soldiers are affected by death as little as possible, and the people we're talking about have been neither trained nor selected by the military.
Really? What training is this?Bubbalo wrote:
I think the other thing you need to take into account is that militaries do to a great deal of trouble to ensure that their soldiers are affected by death as little as possible, and the people we're talking about have been neither trained nor selected by the military.
Uh..........military training.................
Oh...I must have been sick that day.Bubbalo wrote:
Uh..........military training.................
Oh, you mean what training is it that desensitizes you? Whether you realise it or not, you will have gone through all sorts of exercises for just that purpose.
Yes. I remember that class on how to react when seeing a baby in a pool of blood.Bubbalo wrote:
Oh, you mean what training is it that desensitizes you? Whether you realise it or not, you will have gone through all sorts of exercises for just that purpose.
You've clearly been to the Street Fighter school of soldier training.......................
Ummm..whatever that means. I do my job and move on with life. I do not forget what I saw, but I do not let it control me.Bubbalo wrote:
You've clearly been to the Street Fighter school of soldier training.......................
You do not let it control you. That is the answer. Those who commit suicide let their grief control them.usmarine2007 wrote:
Ummm..whatever that means. I do my job and move on with life. I do not forget what I saw, but I do not let it control me.Bubbalo wrote:
You've clearly been to the Street Fighter school of soldier training.......................
The scene where Blanka is created (or scenes, rather). Densensitisation isn't necessarily that obvious.usmarine2007 wrote:
Ummm..whatever that means. I do my job and move on with life. I do not forget what I saw, but I do not let it control me.Bubbalo wrote:
You've clearly been to the Street Fighter school of soldier training.......................
Eeeeemooooo.
US marine, ur an attention seeking wanker.... You Fail. But then thats becoming pretty consistant.
As for those people sying suicide is gutless....You do it, i dare you to even attempt to get the mentality of someone who is in that frame of mind. You are happy to critisise, but you are too gutless to even think about it.
These people aren't gutless. They arent happy with their life and they want to end it. Their life , its up to them. I somone decides they dont want to live, they shouldnt have to, there is a shitty world value that suicide is for the weak....but only the strong can achive it.
As for those people sying suicide is gutless....You do it, i dare you to even attempt to get the mentality of someone who is in that frame of mind. You are happy to critisise, but you are too gutless to even think about it.
These people aren't gutless. They arent happy with their life and they want to end it. Their life , its up to them. I somone decides they dont want to live, they shouldnt have to, there is a shitty world value that suicide is for the weak....but only the strong can achive it.
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usmarine2007 wrote:
My point is simple, if they can't handle high school, what good are they going to be in later life when things actually get really hard?
A lot of important thinkers had similar experiences. They would have made shitty soldiers but they were great at sitting in comfortable armchairs.Wikipedia entry on Bertrand Russell wrote:
Russell's adolescence was very lonely, and he often contemplated suicide. He remarked in his autobiography that his keenest interests were in sex, religion and mathematics, and that only the wish to know more mathematics kept him from suicide. . . . His brother Frank introduced him to Euclid, which transformed Russell's life.
You are a fuck face. There, name calling over now?ozghost wrote:
US marine, ur an attention seeking wanker.... You Fail. But then thats becoming pretty consistant.
As for those people sying suicide is gutless....You do it, i dare you to even attempt to get the mentality of someone who is in that frame of mind. You are happy to critisise, but you are too gutless to even think about it.
These people aren't gutless. They arent happy with their life and they want to end it. Their life , its up to them. I somone decides they dont want to live, they shouldnt have to, there is a shitty world value that suicide is for the weak....but only the strong can achive it.
I can see this thread becoming infamous very quickly. Personally, I think that if you havent been clinically depressed or have thought about suicide, you dont have a valid opinion. Can you imagine living every day with constant pain, not wanting to wake up in the morning, not wanting to go out of your front door? You lose the will to do anything and everything. For these kids growing up in such hardship, who knows how much struggle they faced. Do you live like they did? If not, you can't criticise. They clearly thought that death was preferable over the lives they had, and they should be mourned for that.