Sorry for some reason, I was thinking protrons, and electrons. That sort of follows the same line of faith.HeavyMetalDave wrote:
WHHHHHHHHHHHHOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Time out....
Yes I have personally seen atoms under an electron microscope...........
I also consume them...
Smell them...
Hear them...
And feel them...
HEY you ARE atoms......
lol why I'm an atheist. Okay well i am an atheist because i just cant see there being any god. What i believe in is after u die u are reborn as either a new human or an animal or whatever. I don't believe in any "gods" or "supreme beings."dubbs wrote:
Why don't you join the debate and explain why you are an atheist.Shaguart wrote:
how about we all stop debating and become atheists like me
Ok..
So I havent SEEN those...
Your Faith is strong and thats good.... Im enjoying our little chat..
So If Im right.... no harm to you...
But If your right .... Im Screwed.
So I havent SEEN those...
Your Faith is strong and thats good.... Im enjoying our little chat..
So If Im right.... no harm to you...
But If your right .... Im Screwed.
So you believe in reincarnation, but not in a god. So who or what chooses what you come back as. You can not because to be dead, you can not actually think. Do all humans come back as humans, and all cows will always be cows? Also, if all humans come back to life, then who chooses who the child's father and mother will be? If the person chooses, then how do they choose who to be born to?Shaguart wrote:
lol why I'm an atheist. Okay well i am an atheist because i just cant see there being any god. What i believe in is after u die u are reborn as either a new human or an animal or whatever. I don't believe in any "gods" or "supreme beings."dubbs wrote:
Why don't you join the debate and explain why you are an atheist.Shaguart wrote:
how about we all stop debating and become atheists like me
If two people choose to be born to the same father and mother, what happens? Do they fight to find out who is born? Is this how you justify how twins (mulitple births) are born, that both of them choose to be born at the same time, to the same people?
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I also am enjoying or little chat. At least this is a thread where eveyone had keep their cool when talking about religion, and their view points.HeavyMetalDave wrote:
Ok..
So I havent SEEN those...
Your Faith is strong and thats good.... Im enjoying our little chat..
So If Im right.... no harm to you...
But If your right .... Im Screwed.
Well done, guys. People usually go ballistic talking about these things. +1 to you both for acting like civilized adults.dubbs wrote:
I also am enjoying or little chat. At least this is a thread where eveyone had keep their cool when talking about religion, and their view points.
Thanx dudes...
So Dubbs... I saw your other thread about the carbon thing...
It is somewhat of an enviroment/nature thread, with the carbons and global warming stuff... you know atoms and things...
What is your take on a Natural Disaster ending man, and how that may interupt Gods plan for Judgement Day...
Unless thats HIS doing....Hmmmmmmm?
So Dubbs... I saw your other thread about the carbon thing...
It is somewhat of an enviroment/nature thread, with the carbons and global warming stuff... you know atoms and things...
What is your take on a Natural Disaster ending man, and how that may interupt Gods plan for Judgement Day...
Unless thats HIS doing....Hmmmmmmm?
In the end, you can still be forgiven by God.Stingray24 wrote:
Not so. As I've stated before, asking for forgiveness comes after repentance, which is admitting you are guilty of the sin committed. One cannot just "say the magic words" as if God is a genie in a bottle who is required to forgive if a certain mantra is repeated.cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:
This is one of the reasons I hate Christianity, you go out, mow down 40 people on the the street and ask for gods forgiveness then it's all ok and you can go to heaven.Stingray24 wrote:
I have not studied other religions in minute detail, though I did take world religions class. Other faiths have always interested me and I enjoy discussing beliefs with people of various religions. Through my conversations and limited research, I have yet to find one that addresses sin without requiring one to work themselves back into god's favor. Christianity is the only faith that gives a solution to sin and only requires faith, not perfection, to go to Heaven/paradise.
This is the beautiful thing about Christianity. It is the only religion that we humans cannot inflate our egos by "earning" our way to Heaven. Christianity requires only true belief, nothing else, to gain Heaven. It runs against the grain of our human nature, which enjoys taking credit for everything.
God damn you know this forums full of f/ing critiques when they start questioning what the bible says. I thaught this place was bad but god damn this takes it to a whole new level. You guys have way too much time on your hands.
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No need to sound so superior about it.Shaguart wrote:
lol why I'm an atheist. Okay well i am an atheist because i just cant see there being any god. What i believe in is after u die u are reborn as either a new human or an animal or whatever. I don't believe in any "gods" or "supreme beings."dubbs wrote:
Why don't you join the debate and explain why you are an atheist.Shaguart wrote:
how about we all stop debating and become atheists like me
@Drunken_Tankdriver: Go cry, then. No-one made you read it.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
Merry Christmas to you... and you've read the ENTIRE bible? from genesis to revelation? how many times?HeavyMetalDave wrote:
Ive read the bible many times, I have it right here...
and again Merry Christmas...
Ps I want a Wii
for murder? I have my doubts, repentance still requires RESTITUTION, which means that one has to do what he can to remove the problems he has caused, ie you steal, replace the item stolen, forgiveness is not automatic. for murder? well, what can be done to restore life, nothing. Murder is the removal of the life that God has given us. As a result, he takes it very seriously, and I have severe doubts if murder will ever be forgiven.cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:
In the end, you can still be forgiven by God.
funniest thing i have read in a long timeplastic_budgie wrote:
probably had piles that why they where so embarrassed they had such a red ass.
Yes I read the Bible...
Seriously.. It was the hardest book to read, I had to force myself to keep going...
Many many parts I had to read over and over...
You can interpret many parts many different ways...
The Dickshunary was a much easier read.
I know this, the Bible uses the words like....
Tho...
Thee...
Thy...
ye...
And saith..... ALOT.
Seriously.. It was the hardest book to read, I had to force myself to keep going...
Many many parts I had to read over and over...
You can interpret many parts many different ways...
The Dickshunary was a much easier read.
I know this, the Bible uses the words like....
Tho...
Thee...
Thy...
ye...
And saith..... ALOT.
Good question. I think you were sort of hinting at, Do you think a loving God can allow natural disaters to occur. The truth is I do think so. Going back to the Bible, since I am a Christian and believe what it says, God test and punished Job. Job's family went through natural disaters and died. I also believe that it can be part of punishment, just like Noah's story. Do I think that they interupt God's plans, no I think they are part of God's plan. As stated above, to punish those who sin, and to draw people to Him. I know you probally heard of people going through a natural disater then turning to God for help. I think that most natural disaters are caused by this.HeavyMetalDave wrote:
Thanx dudes...
So Dubbs... I saw your other thread about the carbon thing...
It is somewhat of an enviroment/nature thread, with the carbons and global warming stuff... you know atoms and things...
What is your take on a Natural Disaster ending man, and how that may interupt Gods plan for Judgement Day...
Unless thats HIS doing....Hmmmmmmm?
I also believe that we will see a lot worse before the Judgement Day, as in the end of the Earth. As you stated you have read the Bible, and if you believe it is true, Revelations speaks about worse times, and more natural disasters then we have experienced now.
Do I think that every natural disaster is caused by God, no. Do I think that he allows them to happen, yes. Just like a loving father allows his child to fall down when they are learning to walk. A loving father also gives their children room to explore and grow. Will they get in trouble, yes, will they get hurt, yes. Does the child learn a lesson, hopefully. I think that this is what God does to His children, humans. I think that is the reason He allows natural diasters.
Try using a different version, like the New King James or New International Version. I would also suggest the Contemporary English Version.HeavyMetalDave wrote:
Yes I read the Bible...
Seriously.. It was the hardest book to read, I had to force myself to keep going...
Many many parts I had to read over and over...
You can interpret many parts many different ways...
The Dickshunary was a much easier read.
I know this, the Bible uses the words like....
Tho...
Thee...
Thy...
ye...
And saith..... ALOT.
The only Bible I have was given to me by my father....
On the first page it says...
Presented to : Billy Carson
By : Christ Church Sunday School
Date : October 4, 1936
By : Walter Bruggeman, Pastor
This is the only link to religion I was ever given....
And I was never Baptized....
On the first page it says...
Presented to : Billy Carson
By : Christ Church Sunday School
Date : October 4, 1936
By : Walter Bruggeman, Pastor
This is the only link to religion I was ever given....
And I was never Baptized....
If you want to reference other versions, then try BibleGateway.com. It has multiple versions, and even different lanuages.HeavyMetalDave wrote:
The only Bible I have was given to me by my father....
On the first page it says...
Presented to : Billy Carson
By : Christ Church Sunday School
Date : October 4, 1936
By : Walter Bruggeman, Pastor
This is the only link to religion I was ever given....
And I was never Baptized....
PS: This is the site that I used earlier when we were talking about Genesis.
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Whoa, you're 70 and you like metal? Sweet...HeavyMetalDave wrote:
Presented to : Billy Carson
By : Christ Church Sunday School
Date : October 4, 1936
It was MY FATHERS...
He's 79..
Im 39..
He's 79..
Im 39..
so incest was ok until god said it wasnt anymore? well thats inconsistent isnt it? Miller i suggest u stop trying to defend that point. its hopeless.Miller wrote:
Times change, and as they change, so to does what goes on. In the early stages of the bible, the human race would not be alive if Eve's sons had not had children from her, and so on. Yes, incest is wrong, but when did the bible state that? I'm sure it wasn't straight away when incest was needed to survive.Towelly wrote:
I love seeing devout Christians try to answer that one, they all fail miserably.Miller wrote:
What else are you going to do to have kids? Reach into Eve, yank out her sex organs and go with those?
P.S. I know very few Christians take every single page of the Bible as complete fact but the amount of times it contradicts itself is dumb founding.
It is not hopeless. If one researches that with an open mind an answer can be found. However, going in with a bias against any solution will result in rejection of any logical answer.
EDIT:
I have discussed these perceived contradictions with others and in nearly every case, it is simply an excuse to justify their choice to reject the Bible. When I answered their "contradictions", they simply manufactured another and would not accept my answer. Finally I asked them, "If I answer all these questions conclusively, will you agree that the Bible is truth and convert?" Of course the answer was no. I am more than willing to go in depth on issues like this if there is a genuine desire to discover the truth. Most of the time I find there is only bias against Christianity so I don't waste my time.
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My view is very similar. After the initial period necessary to increase the population in the human race, it was possible to marry someone who was not closely related. Once the human race reached that point, the incest law was put in place to guard against deformities and health problems caused by mixing genes. It was necessary at first, so not sinful. Later on when marrying someone you’re not related to was possible, it was no longer a necessity, but rather a choice. Simple answer, but critics simply refuse to accept it.Miller wrote:
Times change, and as they change, so to does what goes on. In the early stages of the bible, the human race would not be alive if Eve's sons had not had children from her, and so on. Yes, incest is wrong, but when did the bible state that? I'm sure it wasn't straight away when incest was needed to survive.
I have discussed these perceived contradictions with others and in nearly every case, it is simply an excuse to justify their choice to reject the Bible. When I answered their "contradictions", they simply manufactured another and would not accept my answer. Finally I asked them, "If I answer all these questions conclusively, will you agree that the Bible is truth and convert?" Of course the answer was no. I am more than willing to go in depth on issues like this if there is a genuine desire to discover the truth. Most of the time I find there is only bias against Christianity so I don't waste my time.
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You said it bro, it's just a story. Move along now. The bible is bullshit.r2zoo wrote:
Gonna debate a story thousands of years old thats been edited some man times and in so many ways, just becasue something isnt fully explained doesnt mean its wrong.
I cant believe this topic is still going.