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2006-12-13 03:06:12
aardfrith
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+145|7250
This topic is here because a moderator removed my constructive criticism post in the "Why recon is the best" topic.  At a rough guess, they can't take the competition because they know support wins the day.

These are the supposed reasons why recon is the best, according to Bernadictus:

Bernadictus wrote:

1) Short range weaponry (Lambert)
2) Long range weaponry (Sniper rifles)
3) Cloaking
4) Anti-infantry explosives
5) Anti-vehicle explosives
6) Zoom on weapons, thus pinpoint accuracy.
7) PAC outfit > Completely black.
8) Net Bat Fade Delay > Longer target on screen.
9) As squad leader you can keep a safe distance due to your long-range rifle.
10) Recon + Titan is keeping out the bad guys on your own titan, and on theirs.
11) Stabilizer for extreme long range shots (It works!)
12) Identifying targets that are killed by your squad members gives you extra points (Sniper rifle only).
13) The Zeller-H can blow up enemy explosives.
14) Sniper-Rifles are instant accuracy over a target, no deviation unlike the Support class.
15) Snipers draw knifes faster to battle each other.

Whether or not you agree. I love recon.
Quite simply, support can do most of these things and more besides.  And do them better.
1) Short range weaponry (Clark)
2) Long range weaponry (machine guns)
3) Cloaking detection and reporting through Net Bat
4) Anti-infantry explosives (actually, all classes get these - grenades)
5) Anti-vehicle explosives (see 4)
6) Infinite ammunition - drop a support crate and you're replenished.
7) As squad leader you can keep a safe distance due to your long-range rifle
8) No need for a stabilizer.
9) If the first burst doesn't hit, the second will - accuracy improves with every shot
10) Support + titan = grenade spam in hallways - guaranteed to keep hallways enemy-free
11) Fire and forget weaponry (A12)
12) One shot kills
13) No deviation on the Clark, unlike the Lambert.  Aim at the head and you hit the head.  Then see 12.  Then read about bullet drop on sniper rifles.
14) The Zeller-H doesn't negate support's explosives!
15) Who needs a knife when you've got a shotgun?
16) Close combat pin - for every 10 kills, you get 10 bonus points.
17) Ammo hub - be SUPPORTive to your squad and team.  And get points from it.  And badges.
2006-12-13 03:08:49
Towelly
It's A State Of Mind
+399|7048|Your attic
Do people still argue about this shit?

Play whatever kit you want to and cease with the "My kit is better than yours" bullshit.

/tired
2006-12-13 03:13:53
DoctorFruitloop
Level 13 Wrongdoer
+515|7004|Doncaster, UK
Each kit has it's strengths and weaknesses but in general I would say given a choice between recon and support I'd got with support as stright out of the bag it's the more useful of the two classes. Recon only comes into it's own once you've climbed the trees somewhat.

All that said, [agree]Towelly[/agree] this is all getting a little old.
2006-12-13 03:24:42
[RU]Grmbl
Member
+9|6951|Russia
Given a choice between recon and support I would go Engineer, slap my PDS-1 on Talon and get proper gunner in second seat.

By the way, couple of time I've got bonus points for detecting tanks with PDS-1, when someone else burned them. I was at the other side of the map when it happened. PDS-1 probably may count as identification help (as with sniper "spotting" targets).
2006-12-13 03:32:23
jsnipy
...
+3,277|6980|...

You seem very passionate about this.
2006-12-13 03:54:22
TheEternalPessimist
Wibble
+412|7078|Mhz

I still stand by the fact Support seems to be designed for the basically talentless, guns that aim for you (those silly sentry gun things) your main weapons reward mindless spamming with ever increasing accuracy and nade/EMP spamming is just generally pathetic.
2006-12-13 03:57:08
jsnipy
...
+3,277|6980|...

TheEternalPessimist wrote:

I still stand by the fact Support seems to be designed for the basically talentless, guns that aim for you (those silly sentry gun things) your main weapons reward mindless spamming with ever increasing accuracy and nade/EMP spamming is just generally pathetic.
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2006-12-13 04:00:35
Bernadictus
Moderator
+1,055|7195

First off all, the topic was "My reasons why Recon is the best 2142 kit", not the "I think Recon is the best, but please come in and ruin the discusion with your skilles Support talk".

Second, time to kill your dream:

5) Anti-vehicle explosives (see 4)
^ Funny, try grenading a tank.

6) Infinite ammunition - drop a support crate and you're replenished.
17) Ammo hub - be SUPPORTive to your squad and team.  And get points from it.  And badges.
^ The same, stretched over 2

9) If the first burst doesn't hit, the second will - accuracy improves with every shot
^ A good sniper won't give you a second burst.

11) Fire and forget weaponry (A12)
^ 1 Zeller shot and a pistol clip, can be dealt with before it opens fire. (2-3 Sec delay)

12) One shot kills
^ Clark only, unlike all sniper weapons (1 support < 3 Recon)

13) No deviation on the Clark, unlike the Lambert.  Aim at the head and you hit the head.  Then see 12.  Then read about bullet drop on sniper rifles.
^ 1 second fire delay, you miss, you die.

14) The Zeller-H doesn't negate support's explosives!
^ Grenades are not counted as explosives ingame.

15) Who needs a knife when you've got a shotgun?
^ Who needs 10 valid reason when you can make up extra reasons with no deeper syntax whatever.
^ Who needs a shotgun, if you can drop your target 200mtrs away, far out of range of their buckshot.

16) Close combat pin - for every 10 kills, you get 10 bonus points.
^ Infiltrator Pin, 5 headshots 10 extra points, Explosives pin, 8 kills 10 extra points.

Welcome back to planet Earth.
2006-12-13 04:17:16
aardfrith
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Bernadictus wrote:

First off all, the topic was "My reasons why Recon is the best 2142 kit", not the "I think Recon is the best, but please come in and ruin the discusion with your skilles Support talk".
Contrary opinions are not welcome, as you've said.

Last edited by aardfrith (2006-12-13 04:19:23)

2006-12-13 04:20:52
DoctorFruitloop
Level 13 Wrongdoer
+515|7004|Doncaster, UK
Moderator or no moderator, that's not the way to talk to people on the forums.
2006-12-13 04:24:46
aardfrith
Δ > x > ¥
+145|7250
I apologise for using harsh language, you're right that it's not the way to talk to people on here.  Completely against the rules as well, I might add, which is why I've removed it.

However, I am getting sick and tired of certain people not being willing to take a contrary opinion on their subject.  Fine, disagree with me if you want to, I accept that but to delete a fair post that was made in the right spirit just because it's not agreeing with the subject, I think that's wrong and I will continue to say that until I'm blue in the face.  (red in the face at the moment)

Btw, anyone know what "skilles" means?
2006-12-13 04:30:50
superfly_cox
soup fly mod
+717|7239

both aardfrith and bernadictus are right.  i use both kits alot and everything you guys wrote is true.  one kit is not really better than the other and i'm a bit biased cause i'm 80 GR with clark (well 46 since people stats were wiped).  sniper rifles are really effective in 2142 and the recon kit as a whole is no longer the weak wussy kit that it was back in bf2.

you're both right.  be respectful of each other's views and agree to disagree if that is what it comes down to.
2006-12-13 04:33:58
aardfrith
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+145|7250

superfly_cox wrote:

be respectful of each other's views and agree to disagree if that is what it comes down to.
Thanks for those words of wisdom.

It's just frustrating to find my views have been deleted because someone disagrees with them.
2006-12-13 06:01:52
Bernadictus
Moderator
+1,055|7195

aardfrith wrote:

superfly_cox wrote:

be respectful of each other's views and agree to disagree if that is what it comes down to.
Thanks for those words of wisdom.

It's just frustrating to find my views have been deleted because someone disagrees with them.
It's not your view that caused it to be deleted, it is the way you bring it.
Instead of relaying my points of opinion, like I did above, you start a whole new issue/topic.

Support's good too and here's why:
1) Short range weaponry (Clark)
2) Long range weaponry (Bianchi / Shuko)
3) Fire and forget weaponry (A12)
4) Anti-infantry explosives (grenades)
5) Anti-FAV explosives (also grenades)
6) Infinite ammo
7) Put 4) and 6) together and you have grenade spam.  Keeps bad guys out of the titan halls.
8) Net Bat active camo reporting
9) Personal scanner (DysTek Pulse meter)
10) As support, you can take out a titan by yourself.(see 6)
If you had relayed my opinion, you might have had a good point. Instead you start being a wiseguy, seeking public engagement towards me, starting a damn new thread inside mine, otherwise known as thread derailment. Not only you by the way, you did not start to go down that road/

But enough, back on topic.

Support is a class for those who seek easy points in my opinion.
2006-12-13 10:40:46
Samtheman53
Banned
+346|7153|UK
fuckin support whores i hate you all
2006-12-13 10:57:31
Bell
Frosties > Cornflakes
+362|7007|UK

Place nice ladies

Martyn
2006-12-13 11:02:08
Fancy_Pollux
Connoisseur of Fine Wine
+1,306|7104

Bernadictus wrote:

aardfrith wrote:

superfly_cox wrote:

be respectful of each other's views and agree to disagree if that is what it comes down to.
Thanks for those words of wisdom.

It's just frustrating to find my views have been deleted because someone disagrees with them.
It's not your view that caused it to be deleted, it is the way you bring it.
Instead of relaying my points of opinion, like I did above, you start a whole new issue/topic.

Support's good too and here's why:
1) Short range weaponry (Clark)
2) Long range weaponry (Bianchi / Shuko)
3) Fire and forget weaponry (A12)
4) Anti-infantry explosives (grenades)
5) Anti-FAV explosives (also grenades)
6) Infinite ammo
7) Put 4) and 6) together and you have grenade spam.  Keeps bad guys out of the titan halls.
8) Net Bat active camo reporting
9) Personal scanner (DysTek Pulse meter)
10) As support, you can take out a titan by yourself.(see 6)
If you had relayed my opinion, you might have had a good point. Instead you start being a wiseguy, seeking public engagement towards me, starting a damn new thread inside mine, otherwise known as thread derailment. Not only you by the way, you did not start to go down that road/

But enough, back on topic.

Support is a class for those who seek easy points in my opinion.
What about my posts? You deleted ALL of my posts in that thread and they were on topic. I addressed your statement about recon and offered a counterpoint. I didn't create a whole new list or anything like that to derail the thread.
2006-12-13 11:20:10
Magius5.0
Member
+106|6839|UMass Amherst
Someone needs anger management...funny, I think that was a post somewhere, lol.

Recon takes far more skill, Bernadictus is right.  I don't know how many times I've messed up easy shots with the snipers, or detonated RDX at the absolute wrong time and TK'ed my buddies.  And to get a lot of points as recon...you HAVE to be good at what you do.
2006-12-13 11:39:05
Brasso
member
+1,549|7088

aardfrith wrote:

4) Anti-infantry explosives (actually, all classes get these - grenades)
He was talking about APMs.

aardfrith wrote:

5) Anti-vehicle explosives (see 4)
Try blowing up a tank with grenades.

aardfrith wrote:

7) As squad leader you can keep a safe distance due to your long-range rifle
8) No need for a stabilizer.
You and me, long range, right now.  I use stock rifles with the 4x scope (just got it), no stabilizer.  I guarantee you your little spray n' pray Super Soaker won't beat my sniper rifle.

I think we're done here.

/closed

Last edited by haffeysucks (2006-12-13 11:41:30)

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2006-12-13 12:02:27
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|7079|London, England
This thread is a prime example of what people mean by "2142 has more 12 year olds than BF2"
2006-12-13 12:08:30
Master*
Banned
+416|6952|United States

Mekstizzle wrote:

This thread is a prime example of what people mean by "2142 has more 12 year olds than BF2"
2006-12-13 17:27:02
silentsin
Member
+3|7156
i prefer accuracy over spray and prey
2006-12-13 20:01:19
psH
Banned
+217|6841|Sydney
Its support that can make BF2142 alot better. The bianchi and the shuko are just insane, people prefer sniping with them than sniping with the ACTUAL sniper rifles. They are stupid too, and dive to the ground with the Baur, and they would be standing and spraying. what happens? they kill me, and have no damage done to themselves. its just annoying, and i seriously think that EA/DICE should make them more inaccurate or something.
2006-12-13 20:16:15
Fancy_Pollux
Connoisseur of Fine Wine
+1,306|7104

Doms wrote:

Its support that can make BF2142 alot better. The bianchi and the shuko are just insane, people prefer sniping with them than sniping with the ACTUAL sniper rifles. They are stupid too, and dive to the ground with the Baur, and they would be standing and spraying. what happens? they kill me, and have no damage done to themselves. its just annoying, and i seriously think that EA/DICE should make them more inaccurate or something.
Yes. They kill faster than sniper rifles too because you don't have to line up a headshot. The LMGs have a very tight spray, even more so than the assault rifles. Even without any unlocks, support is the best kit in the game. Add in the pulse meter and the sentry gun, and you're pretty much unstoppable. I don't know why so many support players use the shield, though. The pulse meter has allowed me to get so many blind grenade kills it's insane.

In my opinion, the support kit has more strengths and less weaknesses than any other kit. You are deadly at all ranges, from extreme close range to sniper range. You are arguably more effective than a sniper at long range...in fact, you are a sniper. I find that assault has the edge in extreme close combat when the support player is using an LMG, but good reflexes can negate that (plus, that's what the Clark is for). The support kit also has an anti-vehicle element. You can rape buggies pretty fast with an LMG, or you can spam EMP grenadas all day long until the driver of the Mech jumps out in frustration. If this weren't enough, you pretty know where everyone is at all times with the pulse meter. This is extremely useful when flanking people or getting grenade kills when the enemy is behind a wall or obstacle. You've also got the sentry gun. Place it near a flag/silo/spawn or put it in a narrow hall or corridor and rack up kills like crazy. Even when it's not killing, it provides supression fire and is a distraction that allows you to flank your enemy (works well with the pulse meter). And to top it all off, you get team points through resupplying ammo faster than a medic scores points by healing.

If you think support is overpowered now, keep in mind that you probably encounter only a few players who actually know what they're doing. My KDR is only 2.96 because I started off as assault when I first got 2142. Had I been support all along, I would be nearing a KDR of around 4 (keep in mind I'm 95% infantry...no vehicle whoring).

Last edited by Fancy_Pollux (2006-12-13 20:18:23)

2006-12-13 21:03:41
panderiz
Member
+32|7224
Both classes are generally shite unless in the right hands.

The average player as recon sits off by themselves for the entire round with a kdr around 1 and doing fuck all for the team. 

Support is just a larf, players get rewarded for holding down the trigger.... wtf?  resupply points are the easiest things in the world to obtain, also root cause of nade spamming.

Assualt FTW

 

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