Idea: READ.

2005-12-28 20:36:43

#1

polarbearz: Raiders of the Lost Bear; +-1,474|7093|Singapore

Kickass TK-Punish idea

I got this idea while I was taking a dump at work and i just had to post it because I knew it was a wonderful ideas. All my wonderful ides come at this time. Bullshit (sic) aside, lets show you what I've got.

1. If no option is picked, Forgive is the automatic option

Simple enough. Sometimes in a firefight I don't HAVE the time to press Page Up or down, I'm already hopping all over the place (oops), Mashing 'B' to shout at my squad members to 'GET THE HELL IN HERE', holding down the commo rose to spot stuff. I don't have any additional appendages to press Page up or down.

And I don't punish most of the time UNLESS that guy's a JACKASS. I think i punished tthf once but that was for putting 1 trillion missiles in the air while I was trying to dogfight. [rant] I don't need to duck friendly missiles as well [/rant] But sorry about that mate lol I was so pissed off I mashed Page down immed. Especially since (if i remember correctly) the MISSILE followed me through my low loop around the smoke stacks AFTER i lost the enemy jet. Lol.

Aight. onto my MAIN IDEA

*Have the punish options be RANDOMIZED. So suckers would actually have to STOP, THINK, LOOK before they mash a PUNISH key

When I look back at some of my punishes, I know I wouldn't have punished some or even most of them. By a randomized key I mean: Page Down / Page Up Is not always No / Yes. Randomly generate page down to be yes/no and vice versa.

The short breather to READ the yellow message may actually stop more punishes. AND make it harder to 'auto-punish'

How about it people!

2005-12-28 20:39:49

#2

freebirdpat: Base Rapist; +5|7057

What about the people that can't read?

2005-12-28 20:41:56

#3

polarbearz: Raiders of the Lost Bear; +-1,474|7093|Singapore

fuck them. Those are beyond hope :p Back to my idea.

2005-12-28 20:46:34

#4

Bert10099: []D [] []\/[] []D; +177|7045|United States

I say make the wording of the tk thing more difficult to understand..."Press page down not to forgive, but to not not forgive the one who must not be not forgiven...."

Not a bad idea though. Now, just try to get EA to incorperate this into the game.

Last edited by Bert10099 (2005-12-28 20:46:44)

2005-12-28 20:52:02

#5

bs6749: Member; +3|7048

Stupid idea in my opinion. What is the purpose??? If you can't read that line in 10 seconds I think you have a bit of a problem. Remember it take 15 seconds to spawn so that leaves plenty of time. That is if the punish option is available for 15 seconds I haven't checked it out. I usually decide withinin the first 3 seconds whether or not I want to punish. I ALWAYS PUNISH if I am killed by some chopper whore tossing C4 or grenades. Punishing doesn't do anything to score anyways. Just 4 punishes IAR and you are removed from server. I believe that the points (-4) from a TK should be given if you are not forgiven and not just be automatic. This would be better. I also believe that the option should not appear until 15 seconds after the kill in order to give time for the TKer to explain and apologize. Most of my TK's are from claymores that dumbasses walk into and they probably think that they were grenaded or noob tubed. I also think that TK's by claymore and mines should be shown on the screen or forgotten completely.

2005-12-28 20:53:27

#6

tthf: Member 5307; +210|7062|06-01

eh...... you and your jeep rammed me on your way to the jet.....heh that was funny..

isn't it auto forgive now after the patch?

2005-12-28 20:57:06

#7

polarbearz: Raiders of the Lost Bear; +-1,474|7093|Singapore

Bs6749: No, no what i meant that the options for Yes and No will be RANDOMIZED so People will no LONGER be able to just bang page down to punish immediately. They're FORCED to STOP and READ in order to see which option is the PUNISH one. Maybe in that breather they'd be more forgiving!

And they should also show the weapon instead of just [teamkill]. That helps.

tthf: Hopefully bro. I'm real tired of autopunishes. Even then -4 is a little steep. On Daqing last night I had -42 in the end in my teamwork score. Barely scraped by with a global of around 20+. Lol. But no punishes at all. SG servers are getting decent with SINGAPOREANS and not those fucking koreans.

2005-12-28 21:22:22

#8

mikeshw: Radioactive Glo; +130|7142|A Small Isle in the Tropics

polarbearz wrote:
SG servers are getting decent with SINGAPOREANS and not those fucking koreans.

I beg to differ.. I must have a "SHOOT ME, I AM AN ASS" on the back of my kit in the game.. I got shot at by a dickhead on EASG last night all because he knew i was going to beat him to the single solitary tank in Karkand. And he got the cheek to apologise to me 3x after that. So, I did what any frustrated player would reasonably do. I didnt get mad, I got even. I planted two mines exactly at where the tank would respawned (he was such an ass with the tank, i knew he would get taken out by MEC pretty fast).

Not long after..[BF2s]mikeshw [Teamkills] *dickhead* and I apologised to him 4x. After that I planted myself in front of his tank enough for him to brush his tank against me (not enough to kill) so that he get minus points for hurting teammates. Not long after I parked my nice little humvee at the bottom of the road leading out of USMC base and promptly reverse into him so that he earns TVD. He finished the round with something like -20 teamwork points. I am not proud of what i did, but the game has reached a point where i m actually pretty tired of this kind of behavior. If you get beaten to the tank, do something else. Fyi, there is one player on the SAF clan who punishes for his own stupidity, running into my tank, right after I apologised 2x. So, SINGAPOREANS can be indecent too

All these happened in the same round where I blasted a tank round onto MEC who had nowhere else to run (he
cornered himself)..and ouch..guess who it was.. it was tthf.. Sorry, mate.. hate to do that to a decent player

Yes, Autoforgive is default in the patch now, so you can tell who intentionally punishes.

2005-12-28 21:32:07

#9

tthf: Member 5307; +210|7062|06-01

yeah i remember that:

spawn at hotel alleyway, move 2 steps, see a M1A2, turn, get blasted into respawn oblivion.... by mikeshw. heheh... funny though...
rather have mikeshw in the same squad, good team player. had a very good round of songhua didn't we last weekend? top squad.

2005-12-28 21:37:49

#10

mikeshw: Radioactive Glo; +130|7142|A Small Isle in the Tropics

tthf wrote:
yeah i remember that:

spawn at hotel alleyway, move 2 steps, see a M1A2, turn, get blasted into respawn oblivion.... by mikeshw. heheh... funny though...
rather have mikeshw in the same squad, good team player. had a very good round of songhua didn't we last weekend? top squad.

well..thats why i typed "tthf ouch!"

You betcha! It was one of the most enjoyable round I had played for a while

2005-12-28 22:10:15

#11

bs6749: Member; +3|7048

polarbearz wrote:
Bs6749: No, no what i meant that the options for Yes and No will be RANDOMIZED so People will no LONGER be able to just bang page down to punish immediately. They're FORCED to STOP and READ in order to see which option is the PUNISH one. Maybe in that breather they'd be more forgiving!

And they should also show the weapon instead of just [teamkill]. That helps.

tthf: Hopefully bro. I'm real tired of autopunishes. Even then -4 is a little steep. On Daqing last night I had -42 in the end in my teamwork score. Barely scraped by with a global of around 20+. Lol. But no punishes at all. SG servers are getting decent with SINGAPOREANS and not those fucking koreans.

I knew what you meant it just doesn't seem logical. Why do that? You know that punishing means nothing right? Other than 4 punishes = kick. If a person is bad enough to get 4 punishes against them than they deserve to be kicked in my opinion. And like I was saying earlier... the weapon (or at least claymore and mine) should be shown next to [Teamkill] Douchebag Punisher. I believe that this would stop about half of the punishes. I also feel that the person that punishes should wait 20-25 seconds to respawn the next time (even carried over to the next round) instead of the normal 15. This would also lessen punishing. Maybe EA/DICE should look into some of the players' ideas because some of them seem pretty reasonable.

2005-12-28 22:56:10

#12

polarbearz: Raiders of the Lost Bear; +-1,474|7093|Singapore

Mike you're ALIVE!

haha we all need to blackhawk whore together one day

2005-12-28 23:59:07

#13

mikeshw: Radioactive Glo; +130|7142|A Small Isle in the Tropics

polarbearz wrote:
Mike you're ALIVE!

haha we all need to blackhawk whore together one day

Was I dead?

Yeah, and tthf and I could parasite points off your 1337 flying skills

edit: Back on topic -

The game is played by human players. Whether we forgive someone in a game, pretty much is also the way we deal with people around us IRL. If we feel someone has wronged us, we are going to be angry. Same thing in-game. There is nothing wrong with the punishment system (save for the TVD which is silly), and everything wrong with players who didnt use their head when they hit Page Down. The system is there for everyone to abuse.

Do you get punished in Single Player for running over a teammate?

Last edited by mikeshw (2005-12-29 00:10:18)

2005-12-29 01:20:31

#14

polarbearz: Raiders of the Lost Bear; +-1,474|7093|Singapore

Mike you're missing the main point too! :RAWR:

I'm banking on the goodness of human nature and hope that the 2-3 seconds in which they turn red and read the text too look for the button to punish would allow them to cool off. But then again. I don't think it work too hurhur. Just hoping.

I don't think they punish in SP for TKs do they?

SongHua as US is now my new favourite map *grin grin* *hugs my blackhawk*

2005-12-29 01:30:06

#15

mikeshw: Radioactive Glo; +130|7142|A Small Isle in the Tropics

polarbearz wrote:
Mike you're missing the main point too! :RAWR:

I'm banking on the goodness of human nature and hope that the 2-3 seconds in which they turn red and read the text too look for the button to punish would allow them to cool off. But then again. I don't think it work too hurhur. Just hoping.

I don't think they punish in SP for TKs do they?

SongHua as US is now my new favourite map *grin grin* *hugs my blackhawk*

mikeshw [shockpaddles] polarbearz

that was my point.. it doesn't matter what system gets introduced, reality is no one gives a rat's ass about thinking before hitting the Page Down button. You are relying on "human nature" and my experience tells me that that can be either good or bad. Do you think that dickhead cared when he shot me to get the tank? He was even cynical by apologising 3x. So, I will say whether it is red, orange or blue, I will hit the Page Down button.

Or what about the jerk from the clan who got knocked over by my tank because he ran straight into it? Is he going to say "Forgive him Father cos he know not what he did?" He is going to say "Amen and fuckoff brother, cos i am going to punish you because my momma delivered me with my eyes in my groin, and thats why i keep looking down when I round around"..

2005-12-29 01:34:08

#16

polarbearz: Raiders of the Lost Bear; +-1,474|7093|Singapore

Mikeshw: Clear!

Haha but this time round Page Down might not be punish! So he may be forgiving!

Oh god I LOVE your quotes *Bangs floor* Lol...

2005-12-29 01:34:26

#17

Ub3r-ElitE: Teargas wh0re; +2|7025

polarbearz wrote:
SG servers are getting decent with SINGAPOREANS and not those fucking koreans.

kekeke ^^

Err on topic: The switching of the key bindings will just confuse people and result in unwanted punishes and unwanted forgivens. Actually i don't have time to read any message popping up ingame, whether it's a kick vote or a punish/forgive question.

2005-12-29 01:40:57

#18

polarbearz: Raiders of the Lost Bear; +-1,474|7093|Singapore

Sorry I'm all cool with koreans, I think their chicks are so hot, I used to have a korean ex-girlfriend. But as long as you're korean and have battlefield2 installed, that automatically makes you an asshole. Some of the stuff i've shouted at them over VOIP is likely to get me jailed for a long long time indeed.

Hmm. I see you're point there. But if you're not a ratass-ed little punish-wh0re, and after it becomes auto forgive, you can just ignore the message! But to punish you've gotta FIND THE BUTTON!

2005-12-29 01:59:36

#19

Ub3r-ElitE: Teargas wh0re; +2|7025

It's disturbing, that's why i just always press some key to make it go away ;)

In which language do you talk to them? English? lol, for me all east asian languages seem to be the same

But maybe i'm just an ignorant european :P

2005-12-29 02:09:11

#20

polarbearz: Raiders of the Lost Bear; +-1,474|7093|Singapore

Just like you'll never be able to really tell the difference between a Singaporean, Chinese, Korean, Thai, Japanese, I don't think I would be able to tell the difference between a French, German, Scandinavian etc. etc. for that matter. Languages too. I mean fine, I THINK I can tell the difference between French and German but THAT'S ALL.

Germans maybe... Flaxen-haired Anglo-Saxons I remember.

Yeah... I swear mostly in English to time, lapsing into a myriad of other languages at times. Don't really know much korean swear words so I gotta stick to english

2005-12-29 02:33:38

#21

Shahter: Zee Ruskie; +295|7079|Moscow, Russia

this is an interesting idea and i agree with you in general. but like someone already posted above, that "press <whatever> to punish blah blah" message is all wrong in the first place, because most people will just press something to make it go away and so your randomizing idea won't work imho. i always just press page up if i'm not sure that i want to punish (which is seldom). and those... ehm... let's just call 'em "less caring for their team m8 stats" just press pagedown WITH NO ANY THOUGH just to get rid of the message - this is what annoys many ppl and is the source of "punishing assholes" problem in the first place.

what i suggest:

1. "forgive" accures by default in like 20 seconds, no input from tk victim is required

AND

no bloody message at all, or at least no that "all over the screen" thing, but something breaf instead placed right where all the other kill messages appear on the screen.

2. to actually punish tk'er one must access kit selection screen where an additional menu or something with clear explanation of what happened is present for him like: "soandso killed you with spiked club of instant penetration, do you want to punish? y/n". all this stuff must NOT inferfere with any existing controls of the game or ppl will AGAIN just hit something to get rid of it.

this way it might work imho.

Last edited by Shahter (2005-12-29 02:39:39)

if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.

2005-12-29 02:39:37

#22

polarbearz: Raiders of the Lost Bear; +-1,474|7093|Singapore

Hey that may even be a better idea than mine. That's pretty good because its too much of a hassle to punish automatically, you're going to have to press Caps, select a tab to actually punish.

:thumbs up:

I'm starting to see the beauty of BH wh0ring. After the [wolf] people got 100+ points each on Mashtuur and Songhua. I was skeptical at first: Nightcat and the rest aren't very hot pilots I nail them on a regular basis. But looking at their scores I was like WTF. I never knew BH wh0ring post 1.03 was so profitable. Hehe. Time to polish my 1337 heli skillZ!

2005-12-29 04:19:01

#23

DUFFKING: Insert witty comment here; +3|7062|Brixham, UK

What if I automatically press page up for forgiving, but accidentally punish someone?

2005-12-29 06:28:52

#24

Shahter: Zee Ruskie; +295|7079|Moscow, Russia

DUFFKING wrote:
What if I automatically press page up for forgiving, but accidentally punish someone?

if you didn't read through the thread why bother posting, dude? polarbears explained everything clearly: there would not be any accidents, all that would need to be done is reading through the message for a brief moment to figure out which button does what in every particular tk case. general idea was that while tk victim reads, a bit of thought might visit his bonebox and punishing would become less automatic than it's now.

"What if I automatically press..." - DON'T automatically press anything, that's the idea. no offence, but your post suggests that you buddy is one of those, who start hitting buttons before getting any idea of what's happened.

p.s. oh, i'm affraid it's too much for you but... well... just in case - i posted an idea of my own on this "punishing" matter too.

Last edited by Shahter (2005-12-29 06:40:54)

if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.

2005-12-29 06:44:08

#25

Cougar: Banned; +1,962|7069|Dallas

I don't see how this is so great. So you switch it around so people have to actually look to punish. Ok, so when they punish you then, you're going to be twice as pissed off and then we get to read 20,000 more threads aboout people crying over the punish feature.

My long standing thoughts on this has always been and always will be to just do away with the option. Think about it. If you tk someone on accident and they forgive, you still lose two points (2 points being the standard in BF42) so whats the point in forgiving? You still lose points. If someone tk's you and you punish them and then they keep doing it, do you really think they give a crap about theier score? NO! Punish is mostly abused, but when it was used the way it was meant to be used the person being punished could probably care less anyways.

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