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is global warming a real threat
| yes | 71% | 71% - 337 | ||||
| no | 28% | 28% - 135 | ||||
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HAHAHAHAHAHA!ReDevilJR wrote:
Global Warming is nothing but science fiction, they have nothing to compare our temperatures to the past, accurate temperatures were taken no more than 150 years ago, and even then is nothing to take into consideration when the Earth's age is over 4.6 Billion years old. It IS constantly changing, there is very little human impact, if any. Is fossil fuel burning exactly good for our environment? No, but is it affecting enough to worry about? No.
For that you guys discuss about ocean temperature's going up? Well, how is that from CO2 build up when oceans provide most of the worlds oxygen producing plants. You can cut down every tree in the land, and there would still be a plentiful amount of oxygen to breath, from the ocean. Not to mention, there is no where near as much gas burning products used in the ocean to cause CO2 levels to rise in the oceans. Also, saltwater lowers the melting point of water, furthermore allowing water to melt at a temperature below 0 degrees Celsius, so in the even it's at a temperature below the normal freezing temperature, it can still melt.
Therefore, the only logical reasoning for this is that the ocean temperatures are rising from liquid hot magma underneath the crust, such as the mid-Atlantic ridge, which by the way is spreading constantly everyday. Something out of our control.
Care to back any of that nonsensical supostion up with any sources?
Temperature records date back over 400000 years, not 150.
You clearly don't understand what you're talking about. Go away and do some research and then maybe we can have a rational discussion. Your arguments so far are not really worth any sort of rebuttal - try and come up with something that is.
Lol i was waiting for that flame, i thought it might come from you Bert.
Couldn't resist.Vilham wrote:
Lol i was waiting for that flame, i thought it might come from you Bert.
I was going to go through discrediting his arguments, but after re-reading them I decided they weren't worth it. I wish more people who don't believe in global warming would bring some worthwhile arguments into the discussion. Darth Fleder made lots of points rooted in proper science. Why can't more sceptics do that?
400000 years is bs. Ice core samples are not as telling as scientists lead you to believe. Honestly, I wouldn't much trust any data that is more than 30 years old, and I would exclusively trust satellite data.Bertster7 wrote:
HAHAHAHAHAHA!ReDevilJR wrote:
Global Warming is nothing but science fiction, they have nothing to compare our temperatures to the past, accurate temperatures were taken no more than 150 years ago, and even then is nothing to take into consideration when the Earth's age is over 4.6 Billion years old. It IS constantly changing, there is very little human impact, if any. Is fossil fuel burning exactly good for our environment? No, but is it affecting enough to worry about? No.
For that you guys discuss about ocean temperature's going up? Well, how is that from CO2 build up when oceans provide most of the worlds oxygen producing plants. You can cut down every tree in the land, and there would still be a plentiful amount of oxygen to breath, from the ocean. Not to mention, there is no where near as much gas burning products used in the ocean to cause CO2 levels to rise in the oceans. Also, saltwater lowers the melting point of water, furthermore allowing water to melt at a temperature below 0 degrees Celsius, so in the even it's at a temperature below the normal freezing temperature, it can still melt.
Therefore, the only logical reasoning for this is that the ocean temperatures are rising from liquid hot magma underneath the crust, such as the mid-Atlantic ridge, which by the way is spreading constantly everyday. Something out of our control.
Care to back any of that nonsensical supostion up with any sources?
Temperature records date back over 400000 years, not 150.
You clearly don't understand what you're talking about. Go away and do some research and then maybe we can have a rational discussion. Your arguments so far are not really worth any sort of rebuttal - try and come up with something that is.
The earth is getting warmer for sure. That is an absolute fact.
Is it caused by humans? Is it natural? Interestingly, I am the only person I have ever talked to that believes it is probably both. Why is that so hard to believe?
Either way, I can guarantee you it isnt going to stop. Even if we completely stopped using all fossil fuels, destroying the economy of the entire world and killing millions and millions in the collapse, it wouldn't stop.
It amazes me that this debate is so widespread. Here is the answer from the mouth of Ben - It is happening - it wont stop - stop bitching and adapt. It is called survival of the fittest folks. It has been around long before us, and will continue when we are all dust.
In my opinion i think global warming is bull ok its damaging this that what ever. except we are for getting one thing we are burning it slowly. a time was gonna come when it was all gonna set ablaze, and burn creating more danger then what we are now so IMO we are not doing any thing bad. just using what things are available to us.
I didn't understand any of that plastic_budgie. Are you related to RedDevilJR by chance ?
I wouldn't be so sure about satellite data. There are lots of problems with interpreting it. It's been being done wrong for years, only recently have problems been noticed and corrected. In fact much satellite data is misused, especially by global warming sceptics. An example of this is the MSU satellites, an article on the unreliability of these satellites can be found here.weamo8 wrote:
400000 years is bs. Ice core samples are not as telling as scientists lead you to believe. Honestly, I wouldn't much trust any data that is more than 30 years old, and I would exclusively trust satellite data.Bertster7 wrote:
HAHAHAHAHAHA!ReDevilJR wrote:
Global Warming is nothing but science fiction, they have nothing to compare our temperatures to the past, accurate temperatures were taken no more than 150 years ago, and even then is nothing to take into consideration when the Earth's age is over 4.6 Billion years old. It IS constantly changing, there is very little human impact, if any. Is fossil fuel burning exactly good for our environment? No, but is it affecting enough to worry about? No.
For that you guys discuss about ocean temperature's going up? Well, how is that from CO2 build up when oceans provide most of the worlds oxygen producing plants. You can cut down every tree in the land, and there would still be a plentiful amount of oxygen to breath, from the ocean. Not to mention, there is no where near as much gas burning products used in the ocean to cause CO2 levels to rise in the oceans. Also, saltwater lowers the melting point of water, furthermore allowing water to melt at a temperature below 0 degrees Celsius, so in the even it's at a temperature below the normal freezing temperature, it can still melt.
Therefore, the only logical reasoning for this is that the ocean temperatures are rising from liquid hot magma underneath the crust, such as the mid-Atlantic ridge, which by the way is spreading constantly everyday. Something out of our control.
Care to back any of that nonsensical supostion up with any sources?
Temperature records date back over 400000 years, not 150.
You clearly don't understand what you're talking about. Go away and do some research and then maybe we can have a rational discussion. Your arguments so far are not really worth any sort of rebuttal - try and come up with something that is.
Indeed it is. Anyone who says otherwise is looking at the data wrong - which happens a lot.weamo8 wrote:
The earth is getting warmer for sure. That is an absolute fact.
I agree. Of course global warming is natural, otherwise the Earth would be uninhabitable. The effects of global warming are exacerbated and the rate of the cycle increased by greenhouse gas emissions. It's not hard to believe at all. Anyone who has investigated global warming at all will agree with you (about this at least).weamo8 wrote:
Is it caused by humans? Is it natural? Interestingly, I am the only person I have ever talked to that believes it is probably both. Why is that so hard to believe?
Maybe so. But maybe not. Cutting emissions is a start. We have 50-100 years before we're really fucked. If we start working on the problem unilaterally now, then I see it as being a solvable problem.weamo8 wrote:
Either way, I can guarantee you it isnt going to stop. Even if we completely stopped using all fossil fuels, destroying the economy of the entire world and killing millions and millions in the collapse, it wouldn't stop.
You might well be right, but that's a very pessimistic attitude. It's a problem, we need to try and fix it, no matter the cost.weamo8 wrote:
It amazes me that this debate is so widespread. Here is the answer from the mouth of Ben - It is happening - it wont stop - stop bitching and adapt. It is called survival of the fittest folks. It has been around long before us, and will continue when we are all dust.
I love the fact that the major arguement against America stopping with fossil fuels etc is because it would damage their economy, don't they realise their economy is already fucked.
Okay, then if you're so smart, then what is the solution? Stop every product using oil at this very moment? Impossible... it would take years for the conversion of everything to a different fuel source... How are you so sure it's caused by humans? How do we know that they are accurate from 400000 years ago?Bertster7 wrote:
HAHAHAHAHAHA!ReDevilJR wrote:
Global Warming is nothing but science fiction, they have nothing to compare our temperatures to the past, accurate temperatures were taken no more than 150 years ago, and even then is nothing to take into consideration when the Earth's age is over 4.6 Billion years old. It IS constantly changing, there is very little human impact, if any. Is fossil fuel burning exactly good for our environment? No, but is it affecting enough to worry about? No.
For that you guys discuss about ocean temperature's going up? Well, how is that from CO2 build up when oceans provide most of the worlds oxygen producing plants. You can cut down every tree in the land, and there would still be a plentiful amount of oxygen to breath, from the ocean. Not to mention, there is no where near as much gas burning products used in the ocean to cause CO2 levels to rise in the oceans. Also, saltwater lowers the melting point of water, furthermore allowing water to melt at a temperature below 0 degrees Celsius, so in the even it's at a temperature below the normal freezing temperature, it can still melt.
Therefore, the only logical reasoning for this is that the ocean temperatures are rising from liquid hot magma underneath the crust, such as the mid-Atlantic ridge, which by the way is spreading constantly everyday. Something out of our control.
Care to back any of that nonsensical supostion up with any sources?
Temperature records date back over 400000 years, not 150.
You clearly don't understand what you're talking about. Go away and do some research and then maybe we can have a rational discussion. Your arguments so far are not really worth any sort of rebuttal - try and come up with something that is.
Then if "global warming" isn't caused by humans, then why did the ice bridge melt, connecting asia to america?
ReDevilJR wrote:
Okay, then if you're so smart, then what is the solution? Stop every product using oil at this very moment? Impossible... it would take years for the conversion of everything to a different fuel source... How are you so sure it's caused by humans? How do we know that they are accurate from 400000 years ago?Bertster7 wrote:
HAHAHAHAHAHA!ReDevilJR wrote:
Global Warming is nothing but science fiction, they have nothing to compare our temperatures to the past, accurate temperatures were taken no more than 150 years ago, and even then is nothing to take into consideration when the Earth's age is over 4.6 Billion years old. It IS constantly changing, there is very little human impact, if any. Is fossil fuel burning exactly good for our environment? No, but is it affecting enough to worry about? No.
For that you guys discuss about ocean temperature's going up? Well, how is that from CO2 build up when oceans provide most of the worlds oxygen producing plants. You can cut down every tree in the land, and there would still be a plentiful amount of oxygen to breath, from the ocean. Not to mention, there is no where near as much gas burning products used in the ocean to cause CO2 levels to rise in the oceans. Also, saltwater lowers the melting point of water, furthermore allowing water to melt at a temperature below 0 degrees Celsius, so in the even it's at a temperature below the normal freezing temperature, it can still melt.
Therefore, the only logical reasoning for this is that the ocean temperatures are rising from liquid hot magma underneath the crust, such as the mid-Atlantic ridge, which by the way is spreading constantly everyday. Something out of our control.
Care to back any of that nonsensical supostion up with any sources?
Temperature records date back over 400000 years, not 150.
You clearly don't understand what you're talking about. Go away and do some research and then maybe we can have a rational discussion. Your arguments so far are not really worth any sort of rebuttal - try and come up with something that is.
Then if "global warming" isn't caused by humans, then why did the ice bridge melt, connecting asia to america?
That is a school, have you ever been to one?
You have heard of an ice age right?
I see some people responded to my earlier response. Did you guys not read my post? The few of you said stuff like the natural cycle isn't this fast and that we as human beings are contributing to the effect of global warming, and you guys said that as if to disagree with me. So I ask you again, did you not read my freaking post!? I said that already! I said that we are contributing and it is going faster than it should!!!
It'd be nice to have a good debate but not if people can't read what other people have to say.
It'd be nice to have a good debate but not if people can't read what other people have to say.
And I'd like to highly recommend "The Cradle of Life" by J. William Schopf. He's the guy whose class I took last year. Very awesome and interesting professor, and good book (though it can be a little dense at times; but it's a science-ish book, not some non-fiction adventure). Oh by the way, the Tomb Raider movie stole the name, his book was out first
Yeah, actually I have. So how was the ice age caused from? A period of Global cooling from a previous time? There's no telling what the earth is going to do next, nor would we have the power to control it. The only reason why it's a big story in the media in America is because people would actually listen to it, and therefore make themselves feel bad and that they are causing global warming, making the media money for watching their lame, lying tv show. It's a bunch of BS.autopilot wrote:
http://www.berg.vgs.no/images/skolen_i1.jpgReDevilJR wrote:
Okay, then if you're so smart, then what is the solution? Stop every product using oil at this very moment? Impossible... it would take years for the conversion of everything to a different fuel source... How are you so sure it's caused by humans? How do we know that they are accurate from 400000 years ago?Bertster7 wrote:
HAHAHAHAHAHA!
Care to back any of that nonsensical supostion up with any sources?
Temperature records date back over 400000 years, not 150.
You clearly don't understand what you're talking about. Go away and do some research and then maybe we can have a rational discussion. Your arguments so far are not really worth any sort of rebuttal - try and come up with something that is.
Then if "global warming" isn't caused by humans, then why did the ice bridge melt, connecting asia to america?
That is a school, have you ever been to one?
You have heard of an ice age right?
EVERYONE HAS ALREADY SAID IT HAPPENS NATURALLY! Please be quiet till you have read all of the last 18 pages, I expect to see you back in 2 days.
We speed it up. FACT whether you accept that or not is your choice and whether it is by a large amount is debatable.
We speed it up. FACT whether you accept that or not is your choice and whether it is by a large amount is debatable.
It seems as the lobbyist have won this round.ReDevilJR wrote:
Yeah, actually I have. So how was the ice age caused from? A period of Global cooling from a previous time? There's no telling what the earth is going to do next, nor would we have the power to control it. The only reason why it's a big story in the media in America is because people would actually listen to it, and therefore make themselves feel bad and that they are causing global warming, making the media money for watching their lame, lying tv show. It's a bunch of BS.autopilot wrote:
http://www.berg.vgs.no/images/skolen_i1.jpgReDevilJR wrote:
Okay, then if you're so smart, then what is the solution? Stop every product using oil at this very moment? Impossible... it would take years for the conversion of everything to a different fuel source... How are you so sure it's caused by humans? How do we know that they are accurate from 400000 years ago?
Then if "global warming" isn't caused by humans, then why did the ice bridge melt, connecting asia to america?
That is a school, have you ever been to one?
You have heard of an ice age right?
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I'm attempting to come back to you know kr@cker, the hypothesis you support has just left me shocked, not in a good way. Don't you think it would take a little more time for the earth to suddenly change power after being stable for approximately 500 million years? I think it would take more time.
Quotes from an article stating the following...
"Listing all the arguments against Gore's "science" is beyond the limited space here, but I will pass on a few points, some from two outstanding responses to Gore's movie (listed below**), printed in the Wall Street Journal. Yes, carbon dioxide levels have risen, but CO2 is not a pollutant, and it's very much in doubt whether it's causing global warming as he asserts."
"The journal "Nature" published findings that Antarctica, overall, is actually cooling. And NASA has reported that Mars has been warming due to solar activity for the last 100 years, and that the Martian polar ice caps have been shrinking at "a prodigious rate" since 1978."
This article is found here
http://www.macon.com/mld/macon/news/opi … 323114.htm
Yes, the title and the first paragraph or so are irrelevant, however read the second half please.
I believe that the Earth's temperature has risen somewhat, but it is NOT caused by humans. But it's mainly caused from Solar Output from the sun. If it's happening on Mars, then why can't it happen here? Not to mention we're closer to the Sun than Mars is. There's a list of the top 10 attributes towards our climate. Humans, being number 10, however Solar Output is the first. If i can find it, I'll post it.
Contribute.
"Listing all the arguments against Gore's "science" is beyond the limited space here, but I will pass on a few points, some from two outstanding responses to Gore's movie (listed below**), printed in the Wall Street Journal. Yes, carbon dioxide levels have risen, but CO2 is not a pollutant, and it's very much in doubt whether it's causing global warming as he asserts."
"The journal "Nature" published findings that Antarctica, overall, is actually cooling. And NASA has reported that Mars has been warming due to solar activity for the last 100 years, and that the Martian polar ice caps have been shrinking at "a prodigious rate" since 1978."
This article is found here
http://www.macon.com/mld/macon/news/opi … 323114.htm
Yes, the title and the first paragraph or so are irrelevant, however read the second half please.
I believe that the Earth's temperature has risen somewhat, but it is NOT caused by humans. But it's mainly caused from Solar Output from the sun. If it's happening on Mars, then why can't it happen here? Not to mention we're closer to the Sun than Mars is. There's a list of the top 10 attributes towards our climate. Humans, being number 10, however Solar Output is the first. If i can find it, I'll post it.
Contribute.
Oh great, so it's happening on Mars too. So how will life on Mars cope with the changing climate?
No one is questioning whether climate change has occurred on Earth before or will again in the present/future. It's the rate of change that's unprecedented.
BTW I don't see what Al Gore's childhood has to do with Global Warming, but the Author of the article seemed to think they were inextricably linked somehow.
Edit: I should point out that I have not as yet seen the film.
No one is questioning whether climate change has occurred on Earth before or will again in the present/future. It's the rate of change that's unprecedented.
BTW I don't see what Al Gore's childhood has to do with Global Warming, but the Author of the article seemed to think they were inextricably linked somehow.
Edit: I should point out that I have not as yet seen the film.
Last edited by cospengle (2007-01-02 16:35:26)
Know why? It's an editorial article.cospengle wrote:
BTW I don't see what Al Gore's childhood has to do with Global Warming, but the Author of the article seemed to think they were inextricably linked somehow.
Either way, the sun will eventually explode, as all stars do. I figure that will occur before the melting and subsequent re-freezing of the polar ice caps.
Why has the rise in atmospheric co2 been mirrored exactly by the rise in temperature for over 650k years...hmm . The science is very solid in that area.
Last edited by Kmarion (2007-01-02 16:38:13)
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anybody who knows anything about astronomy knows that it will take a few more billion years for that to happen. climate change doesnt need that long.RedTwizzler wrote:
Know why? It's an editorial article.cospengle wrote:
BTW I don't see what Al Gore's childhood has to do with Global Warming, but the Author of the article seemed to think they were inextricably linked somehow.
Either way, the sun will eventually explode, as all stars do. I figure that will occur before the melting and subsequent re-freezing of the polar ice caps.
My english teacher is making us watch that video. (Flaming liberal who i have global warming arguements about) Two things i have a problem with, one, are you saying that the Co2 level is in direct proportion with temperature? Second, How could Co2 levels be that high, and the oxygen level hasn't changed? What i'm trying to say is, is that how can Co2 levels increase that dramatically and have the oxygen level not change?Kmarion wrote:
Why has the rise in atmospheric co2 been mirrored exactly by the rise in temperature for over 650k years...hmm . The science is very solid in that area.
Wait...
are you denying global warming???
Thats... so... wrong???
are you denying global warming???
Thats... so... wrong???
Actually, the Earth will stop rotating on it's axis before the sun explodes, because the moon is slowly moving away from Earth. In other words, technically, our days are getting longer by the slightest bit everyday because the Earth is spinning slightly slower. Pretty much the end of the world then.RedTwizzler wrote:
Know why? It's an editorial article.cospengle wrote:
BTW I don't see what Al Gore's childhood has to do with Global Warming, but the Author of the article seemed to think they were inextricably linked somehow.
Either way, the sun will eventually explode, as all stars do. I figure that will occur before the melting and subsequent re-freezing of the polar ice caps.
Last edited by ReDevilJR (2007-01-02 16:58:29)
I'm denying the fact that it is caused by us, by Global Warming, i'm talking a few degrees increased. Not nearly as dramatic as the typical Global Warming phrase is said to be.djphetal wrote:
Wait...
are you denying global warming???
Thats... so... wrong???