Yah THATS why we need to invade Iran. NOT, Maybe its because the guy is nutz, Yet another example of this was what? yesterday? That and once they do HAVE working nukes, You better strap your ass in for WW3 my friend. They want it all and wont stop until they have it. The rest of the world wont wake up until its too fucking late.Also, if it were all about Euros and USD's, then why the large majority support in the UN for sanctions on Iran? Enlighten me please.Turquoise wrote:
You'll notice Iran is one of the nations involved in this switch to Euros. Iran seems to be the nation many neocons now push for an invasion of.Kmarion wrote:
If that were the case we have much more invading to do. Try looking up OPEC.jonsimon wrote:
Like turquoise said, we aren't there for oil, the substance, we're there for oil, the market. Try reading the article the thread pertains to before commenting on it.
Actually, it is who we wanted in charge, considering WE PUT HIM THERE. This is the economic reason for invading Iraq, there is no other reason, and it is the only reason that can be substantiated or justified quantifiably.Major_Spittle wrote:
Gee, thats who we wanted in charge of the world 5th largest military sitting in the middle of 70% of the worlds light crude oil so he can just throw the whole region into war, disrupt the worlds oil-supply, and put the world into a depression overnite.
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Good question. Honestly, I have no answer for that.<[onex]>Headstone wrote:
Yah THATS why we need to invade Iran. NOT, Maybe its because the guy is nutz, Yet another example of this was what? yesterday? That and once they do HAVE working nukes, You better strap your ass in for WW3 my friend. They want it all and wont stop until they have it. The rest of the world wont wake up until its too fucking late.Also, if it were all about Euros and USD's, then why the large majority support in the UN for sanctions on Iran? Enlighten me please.Turquoise wrote:
You'll notice Iran is one of the nations involved in this switch to Euros. Iran seems to be the nation many neocons now push for an invasion of.Kmarion wrote:
If that were the case we have much more invading to do. Try looking up OPEC.
All I can say is that the U.N. would prefer implementing sanctions on Iran rather than invading them.
Insanity is no reason to depose a foreign leader, besides, he isn't insane. Guess what, Korea HAS working nukes, and they have a dictator Americans keep calling crazy, but guess what, we don't seem to give a rats ass about them, do we? Iran wants the freedom to sell their oil for Euros, and they're already half way there. Ahmadinijad's rhetoric is propaganda capitalizing upon the US ineffectiveness in Iraq. If Iran can galvanize the middle east against Israel and the US, they can crush either of them through their trade policies. OPEC stands to make a bundle selling oil for Euros, an action that would cripple the US economy. And if the US doesn't intervene in Middle easter politics again, OPEC could even cripple Israel with an oil embargo, if they so pleased. Ahmadinijad is not crazy, he is an intelligent propagandist.<[onex]>Headstone wrote:
Yah THATS why we need to invade Iran. NOT, Maybe its because the guy is nutz, Yet another example of this was what? yesterday? That and once they do HAVE working nukes, You better strap your ass in for WW3 my friend. They want it all and wont stop until they have it. The rest of the world wont wake up until its too fucking late.Also, if it were all about Euros and USD's, then why the large majority support in the UN for sanctions on Iran? Enlighten me please.Turquoise wrote:
You'll notice Iran is one of the nations involved in this switch to Euros. Iran seems to be the nation many neocons now push for an invasion of.Kmarion wrote:
If that were the case we have much more invading to do. Try looking up OPEC.
Oh, and the UN is our bitch. We control the great majority of all UN politics through political influence. After all, if we don't trade with you, you can't buy oil, now, can you?
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I'm going to have to agree somewhat with the article, but i would much rather side with the hypothesis that the invasion was meant to stimulate the economy, notice our stock market, not any other oil for country BS or freeing Iraq from its terrible ruler.
Honestly, we didn't give a shit about Iraq till 1984 nor did we give a shit if Iraq was fighting Iran suffice to say we became butt buddies during the Iran/Iraq war. Our countries leaders are smart so we sided with the Iraqis in order to set them up for a nice downfall during Iraq's conflict with Kuwait. I encourage you to check out ambassador Glaspie involvement in the entire debacle prior to Iraq's invasion of Kuwait. We give him weapons so that he can commit atrocities in his own country....then we try him for using the weapons we give him lol its fucking hilarious, mind you we do it once we give a shit again about him, and especially after we cripple and destroy his country with lovely embargoes ;D woopsie.
just a coincidences move along here nothing to see here...
Honestly, we didn't give a shit about Iraq till 1984 nor did we give a shit if Iraq was fighting Iran suffice to say we became butt buddies during the Iran/Iraq war. Our countries leaders are smart so we sided with the Iraqis in order to set them up for a nice downfall during Iraq's conflict with Kuwait. I encourage you to check out ambassador Glaspie involvement in the entire debacle prior to Iraq's invasion of Kuwait. We give him weapons so that he can commit atrocities in his own country....then we try him for using the weapons we give him lol its fucking hilarious, mind you we do it once we give a shit again about him, and especially after we cripple and destroy his country with lovely embargoes ;D woopsie.
just a coincidences move along here nothing to see here...
Maybe its a combination of reasons? I don't see why there has to be just one...
It's kind of hard to take this seriously given the following news items are linked on the main page:
The Gov't Created AIDS
HIV was created on an army base
Link to the Unabomber's Manifesto
The World Bank created famine in Ethopia
http://www.trinicenter.com/
See "Top Reports"
The Gov't Created AIDS
HIV was created on an army base
Link to the Unabomber's Manifesto
The World Bank created famine in Ethopia
http://www.trinicenter.com/
See "Top Reports"
Except that all they do is link material created by others.
Further, the idea that the World Bank creates famine isn't exactly something only held by borderline loons.
Further, the idea that the World Bank creates famine isn't exactly something only held by borderline loons.
Right. And I said they were links exactly like the original article.
So why should it be suspect? By that logic, I'm a conservative because a site holding my opinions also hsa opinions of conservatives.
You got my point. Argue semantics elsewhere.
The original article is interesting.
The original article is interesting.
A Libertarian congressman in our own House has been saying this for years, this is by far the best essay I've seen on the subject. Ties together a lot of things, such as the value of gold, the dollar, why the French really don't like us, the backdoor clauses in our treaty with OPEC, and the reason for just about every war for the last century the US has fought.
I've made just about every relative of mine read this, it tends to open their eyes just a bit to what the hell I'm rambling about most of the time. It should be required reading for all Americans to lift that illusion that we're alone and the best in the world.
http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congr … 021506.htm
The best summary is that "our military might depends on the dollar, and the value of the dollar depends on our military might". We antogonize countries like Venezuela, Iraq, and Iran, kiss the rosy asses of China and India, all because any one of them could start a domino effect which could kill our dollar and end our Empire in a crash and burn depression on a scale never seen before. And when/if this happens, a majority of Americans are gonna stand up and say "WTF?" while the Saudis and Chinese and Indians are gonna laugh all the way to the bank while Chavez stands at our border and flicks boogers at us.
My dream is that we get a majority of Congressman like him one day, one that votes consistently with long-term health of the nation in mind and doesn't believe in screwing the little guy or progressing American empire...a REAL conservative.
I've made just about every relative of mine read this, it tends to open their eyes just a bit to what the hell I'm rambling about most of the time. It should be required reading for all Americans to lift that illusion that we're alone and the best in the world.
http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congr … 021506.htm
The best summary is that "our military might depends on the dollar, and the value of the dollar depends on our military might". We antogonize countries like Venezuela, Iraq, and Iran, kiss the rosy asses of China and India, all because any one of them could start a domino effect which could kill our dollar and end our Empire in a crash and burn depression on a scale never seen before. And when/if this happens, a majority of Americans are gonna stand up and say "WTF?" while the Saudis and Chinese and Indians are gonna laugh all the way to the bank while Chavez stands at our border and flicks boogers at us.
My dream is that we get a majority of Congressman like him one day, one that votes consistently with long-term health of the nation in mind and doesn't believe in screwing the little guy or progressing American empire...a REAL conservative.
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Gorilla, that was an excellent post, and Ron Paul (the Republican/Libertarian congressman you mentioned) is one of the best politicians we have in America. He actually is one of the few that consistently follows the principle of minimizing government. That concept that conservatives used to believe in....
But yeah, that was a great speech you linked to, and its implications are quite scary....
But yeah, that was a great speech you linked to, and its implications are quite scary....