religion is the pure evil
I disagree with your comments. They are flawed beyond belief. Religion can blame religion for its own downfall. Each his own. moving on...Major_Spittle wrote:
I am Athesist.Mason4Assassin444 wrote:
Basically, your saying the churchless godless people are all on welfare and being taken care of by the government? ANd the government "for catering to us stupid agnostic aethieists" are responsible for aetheism?Mason4Assassin444 wrote:
Well so much for a thread with no flaming.
Pardon me if I misread.
And yes that is what I mean is that the government is to a great part responsible for the death of religion and societal decay.
Yes the government caters to stupid people. Did I Flame on you because you are part of the Stupid category.
FAIL...lol ur a joke, the bible is one of the most historically accredited books, lol there are 11 other books written by non Christian authors from the dates 70- 500 A.D. that mention the bible and the Christans... even the Jews. lol that is proofusmarine2007 wrote:
One can say the same about the bible.IsaacLeavitt wrote:
the book is not accredited as being true by any honest historian.
Other books that mention the Bible and Jews? That doesn't prove the contents, merely the fact that they both existed.IsaacLeavitt wrote:
FAIL...lol ur a joke, the bible is one of the most historically accredited books, lol there are 11 other books written by non Christian authors from the dates 70- 500 A.D. that mention the bible and the Christans... even the Jews. lol that is proofusmarine2007 wrote:
One can say the same about the bible.IsaacLeavitt wrote:
the book is not accredited as being true by any honest historian.
one last time, religion sux, and now i go play BF2, and imagine im driving with a tank over religius people.
cya
cya
OH NO!CameronPoe wrote:
O. M. G. Looks like we've found another JaMDuDe. Run for cover before you get hit by the wall of logic and reason...IsaacLeavitt wrote:
FAIL...lol ur a joke, the bible is one of the most historically accredited books, lol there are 11 other books written by non Christian authors from the dates 70- 500 A.D. that mention the bible and the Christans... even the Jews. lol that is proofusmarine2007 wrote:
One can say the same about the bible.
The Bible has some facts in it. It also has some freaky madness in it. People need to learn to be able to distinguish between the 2.
But criticising Dan Brown is fair enough. Anyone who claims their book is true, purely because it piles far fetched historical theory on top of far fetched historical theory until you get some sort of nonsense that everyone agrees is a load of rubbish.
I only know a few athiests, but most of the people I talk to who don't believe in God are antitheists who actively seek out and attempt to discredit or silence anything that refers to the higher power.
Science has not proven that evolution is the ONLY active force working on the Earth/universe nor have they disproven God. Science must disprove God to say he doesn't exist otherwise remain mute until such proof is developed. Anyone presenting the position that God does not exist is simply presenting their belief system.
Athiesm is on the rise because it is taught in the schools as "the only fact".
Science has not proven that evolution is the ONLY active force working on the Earth/universe nor have they disproven God. Science must disprove God to say he doesn't exist otherwise remain mute until such proof is developed. Anyone presenting the position that God does not exist is simply presenting their belief system.
Athiesm is on the rise because it is taught in the schools as "the only fact".
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So, the older the book the more accurate it is?IsaacLeavitt wrote:
FAIL...lol ur a joke, the bible is one of the most historically accredited books, lol there are 11 other books written by non Christian authors from the dates 70- 500 A.D. that mention the bible and the Christans... even the Jews. lol that is proofusmarine2007 wrote:
One can say the same about the bible.IsaacLeavitt wrote:
the book is not accredited as being true by any honest historian.
People stopped believing because society quit depending on God.sergeriver wrote:
Today almost 1,2 billion persons are atheists or agnostics.
Why do you think people stopped believing?
Does science prove everything to such a point that people can't believe in God anymore?
Is Organized Religion making people lose faith in God?
Those who choose to believe, do they actually believe, or do they fear to be alone?
Science has proved only one thing. Theory is based believing so is faith.
Organized religion is the corporate world of the faithful. Sometimes more faith is found in a small church than a megachurch.
I believe because I chose to believe. A belief in God is not as Marx said "an opiate for the masses" it is a value system that I chose to follow.
oh boy its the "chicken or the egg" thing.
You know it doesn't matter. If you were raised or choose to believe in a religion that is fine. I am an atheist. My dad's side of the family are Christians, my mom side of the family are atheists. Though my dad is the only atheist on his side. We all get along.
My family is from China, when commies took over the government, well, didn't like religion.
Asking why some of us are Atheists is like asking why some of you guys are religious. We are either born and raised to believe in a religion or choose not to. simple as that.
Oh and right, my soul is going to burn in hell for eternal damnation, lol
You know it doesn't matter. If you were raised or choose to believe in a religion that is fine. I am an atheist. My dad's side of the family are Christians, my mom side of the family are atheists. Though my dad is the only atheist on his side. We all get along.
My family is from China, when commies took over the government, well, didn't like religion.
Asking why some of us are Atheists is like asking why some of you guys are religious. We are either born and raised to believe in a religion or choose not to. simple as that.
Oh and right, my soul is going to burn in hell for eternal damnation, lol
That's what Atheism is. Any sort of acknowledgement of the possibility of there being a God or higher power is Agnosticism.OpsChief wrote:
I only know a few athiests, but most of the people I talk to who don't believe in God are antitheists who actively seek out and attempt to discredit or silence anything that refers to the higher power.
I know the US and Brazil pretty well, and I don't consider neither one of them backward or repressed, even though both have drawbacks and good things. And both are very religious countries, much more than atheists.TheEternalPessimist wrote:
Most of the highly religious countries are repressed, backward nations where thinking for yourself and having your own opinions is all but illegal.
"All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them."
Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
Why do you believe, could be the counter question. But each time I ask it I get a bullshit answer so I'll be short in mine.sergeriver wrote:
Today almost 1,2 billion persons are atheists or agnostics.
Why do you think people stopped believing?
Does science prove everything to such a point that people can't believe in God anymore?
Is Organized Religion making people lose faith in God?
Those who choose to believe, do they actually believe, or do they fear to be alone?
Because god doesn't exist.
Tiger
I would compare religious people who walk around trying to convert people to their religion to car salesmen.
They are unable to sway me, lol
They are unable to sway me, lol
For me a catholic education was enough to turn me into an Atheist.
also for my dad.mikeyb118 wrote:
For me a catholic education was enough to turn me into an Atheist.
Add me to that list. 12 years of Catholic school was enough to turn me away.link52787 wrote:
also for my dad.mikeyb118 wrote:
For me a catholic education was enough to turn me into an Atheist.
4 years of catholic was enough, besides, organized religion and -ism's lead to violence in hands of idiots, for example, Muslim nutjobs (Osama, etc)
Former Catholic here too. All the rest of my family have since become atheists too - mum was the last to go.usmarine2007 wrote:
Add me to that list. 12 years of Catholic school was enough to turn me away.link52787 wrote:
also for my dad.mikeyb118 wrote:
For me a catholic education was enough to turn me into an Atheist.
Why? Many reasons. Belief that modern science knows everything, hypocrisy in the form of clergy, holier-than-thou members and the fact that God doesn't give them shiny new bicycles.
well, i personally never really "believed" at all but I used to pray a bit and soon after I gave up.
cuz guess what?
NONE of my prayers were answered
and i was NOT asking for money or a PS3 or other crap like that.
i personally think ppl "believe" becuz thats what our culture is and ppl need to have something to support them since if they don't believe that there's a heaven waiting for them then what's there after death?
personally i don't think anything does exist after death. utter nothingness.
and that's scary for lots of ppl.
i dont blame ppl for believing in their gods or w/e
other ppl believe becuz they believe a miracle happened to them. whether a near death experience or they survived some accident and they thought they saw an angel or w/e.
the only thing i believe right now is science, although even a clone can't save u from death.
(think about it, when you die, you cease to exist, you wouldn't suddenly occupy your clone's body or w/e or else if the clone already existed when you were still alive, you'd be schitzophrenic)
cuz guess what?
NONE of my prayers were answered
and i was NOT asking for money or a PS3 or other crap like that.
i personally think ppl "believe" becuz thats what our culture is and ppl need to have something to support them since if they don't believe that there's a heaven waiting for them then what's there after death?
personally i don't think anything does exist after death. utter nothingness.
and that's scary for lots of ppl.
i dont blame ppl for believing in their gods or w/e
other ppl believe becuz they believe a miracle happened to them. whether a near death experience or they survived some accident and they thought they saw an angel or w/e.
the only thing i believe right now is science, although even a clone can't save u from death.
(think about it, when you die, you cease to exist, you wouldn't suddenly occupy your clone's body or w/e or else if the clone already existed when you were still alive, you'd be schitzophrenic)
I dont belive in religion for many reasons:
1. Too much thought that wont actually get anywhere
2. Too much complications that'll create disputes over something ridiculous (like this forum)
3. Religion is like imaginary friends for adults
4. Religion is for weak people who can't accept that there's NOTHING after we die
5. Because Religion (mainly the 'God' ones) killed millions of people in the past over crusades
6. Because churches collect money. Why? Definatly not for God! For themselves! Because they're greedy assholes
7. Because H-core religious people are blind to reality and destroy anything that proves that something invisible in every sense is ACTUALLY not there.
8. Because if God exists, he's on vacation and has been for hella long time.
9. Because he doesn't actually exist.
/EndCommonSense
1. Too much thought that wont actually get anywhere
2. Too much complications that'll create disputes over something ridiculous (like this forum)
3. Religion is like imaginary friends for adults
4. Religion is for weak people who can't accept that there's NOTHING after we die
5. Because Religion (mainly the 'God' ones) killed millions of people in the past over crusades
6. Because churches collect money. Why? Definatly not for God! For themselves! Because they're greedy assholes
7. Because H-core religious people are blind to reality and destroy anything that proves that something invisible in every sense is ACTUALLY not there.
8. Because if God exists, he's on vacation and has been for hella long time.
9. Because he doesn't actually exist.
/EndCommonSense
Atheism is the belief there is no God. antitheism is the active effort to discredit God. Here is the difference. If you don't belive in God why waste time eliminating something that doesn't exist? Antitheists spend time attacking the messengers (believers) instead of seeking proof that their atheistic doctrine is fact.Bertster7 wrote:
That's what Atheism is. Any sort of acknowledgement of the possibility of there being a God or higher power is Agnosticism.OpsChief wrote:
I only know a few athiests, but most of the people I talk to who don't believe in God are antitheists who actively seek out and attempt to discredit or silence anything that refers to the higher power.
I blame all the death and destruction that occurs in the name of different religions. I do believe that there must be some higher power, however man has construed religious teachings to meet their own desires through out time, distorting what once may have been truths into tools of hypocrisy and deceit.
what scientist said that? the pope?stef10 wrote:
Wtf is that bullshit. May I ask. Scientists have already said, that somebody gave a hand to make the evolution begin. It is impossible for it to begin on its own.
life CAN begin on its own, scientist's just arn't 100% sure how it happened.
Parasite Rex is a good book on this subject, although it mostly is about parasites there's a good chapter about how life was made scientifically.
and besides, the only HAND that could've helped out was planetary conditions and placement and the sun's quality.
if the planet has the right gravity, right chemical compounds in the atmosphere, the right temperature and the right amount of sunlight and warmth, life will exist.
certain chemical bonds attract some molecules that were randomly created along with the planet and eventually, the right molecules and maybe a powerful source of heat turns it into a protein molecule. after a certain amount of protein combine together, other molecules start attaching themselves and the substance becomes a quazi living being. kind of like living goo except microscopic.
they can only do simple things like reproduce and absorb food and eventually some of these proteins evolved into more specialized bacteria that can feed off of the other quazi living beings.
okay maybe im not that convincing but i'm bad at explaining things. just look up parasite rex at ur local library and find the chapter or section or w/e about how life started.
edit : also, scientists found traces of protein on asteroids that crashed into earth. there just was not enough time to evolve. also an asteroid moves around so the conditions keep on changing, freezing to boiling hot, clean to radioactive.
btw, it takes hundreds of millions of years for stuff like this to happen.
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