R0lyP0ly
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venom6 wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Oh really?  So, even though I've studied the Soviet Union for a few years, I can't comment on it?  Look, I know you have the advantage because of where you live, but can you honestly say that you think the Nazies would be significantly better rulers than the Communists?  I'm guessing you're not Jewish, are you?
First of all im not jewish...im hungarian.And hey living in it and studying it is not the same thing.I was 2 when we had "system changing" and i know how it was when our country was under soviet communist invadion.
My pearents,family friends and films and books told me how it was.
And if the nazis would win my country would be under german dictating.Maybe i need to speak german ? Who cares i can speak it and i dont mind.But when the iron curtain fall on our contry over 40 years the soviets destroyed and robbed our country.They fucked up everything and thats why my country is in a shit situation now because we had over 40 yrs of communism.
Hungary allways got the bad things...in the whole history..
1.We fight against Tatars
2.We fight and saved the whole europe from the Turky's when they wanted to attack western europe.And Hungary as a shield saved whole europe.
3.We fight against germans.
4.We lost the first WW.
5.We got Trianon  after WW1
6.We lost in WW2
7.Soviet invadors for over 40 years
8.Post communist asshols are leading our country atm and they give a shit about democraty.
They sell everything, they close hospitals or big factorys and now they even wanna sell our LAND !!

So just read a bit aboult the communist shit in hungary...or ask me.
No other country in the world was so humiliate like Hungary..and yes we are still there...
I think that studying it is almost beneficial in this case, because s/he won't have a sense of nationalism slightly clouding his/er judgment, as everybody does when preaching about their country.
R0lyP0ly
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Kmarion wrote:

Mogura wrote:

USA is the only country that ever used mass destruction weapons against civilian population
Wrong and wrong.
more examples:

1)RUssian Kurds
2)Holocaust victims (and, arguably, the survivors)
Cybargs
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Mogura wrote:

Vilham wrote:

Mogura wrote:


What other country used nucler weapon against civilian population ?
You didnt say nukes you said weps of mass destruction.
well nukes are weapons of mass destruction, and even that, usa have the most advanced  chemical and biological weapons programs
But has the US ever used those chemical and biological weapons on anyone?
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Mogura
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R0lyP0ly wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Mogura wrote:

USA is the only country that ever used mass destruction weapons against civilian population
Wrong and wrong.
more examples:

1)RUssian Kurds
2)Holocaust victims (and, arguably, the survivors)
1) Kurds in russia ?

2)Holocaust is not the same, i dont say it was less horible, its even worst ( industrial extermination of humans), but its not the same thing.

cmong, recognise it, usa is the only one who ever nuked civilian population ( twice )
Mogura
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cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

Mogura wrote:

Vilham wrote:


You didnt say nukes you said weps of mass destruction.
well nukes are weapons of mass destruction, and even that, usa have the most advanced  chemical and biological weapons programs
But has the US ever used those chemical and biological weapons on anyone?
well if you produce it, soon or later you gonna use it, just like you did with nukes
BALTINS
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Mogura wrote:

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

Mogura wrote:


well nukes are weapons of mass destruction, and even that, usa have the most advanced  chemical and biological weapons programs
But has the US ever used those chemical and biological weapons on anyone?
well if you produce it, soon or later you gonna use it, just like you did with nukes
ts.. to Mass Murder you dont need ABC weapons, the Soviets showed that well (The Great Purge, Ukrainian genocide..).
Mogura
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BALTINS wrote:

Mogura wrote:

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:


But has the US ever used those chemical and biological weapons on anyone?
well if you produce it, soon or later you gonna use it, just like you did with nukes
ts.. to Mass Murder you dont need ABC weapons, the Soviets showed that well (The Great Purge, Ukrainian genocide..).
you dont need, but can be .... usefull.
usa  showed that, hiroshima, nagasaki
Ottomania
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Germans made a very big mistake by attacking russains.
If they have not attacked I am sure that they won war.
Shadow893
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Techworld wrote:

We (UK) won
WOOT
Cybargs
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Mogura wrote:

BALTINS wrote:

Mogura wrote:


well if you produce it, soon or later you gonna use it, just like you did with nukes
ts.. to Mass Murder you dont need ABC weapons, the Soviets showed that well (The Great Purge, Ukrainian genocide..).
you dont need, but can be .... usefull.
usa  showed that, hiroshima, nagasaki
Yes that was because Japan didn't surrender.
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Mogura
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cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

Mogura wrote:

BALTINS wrote:


ts.. to Mass Murder you dont need ABC weapons, the Soviets showed that well (The Great Purge, Ukrainian genocide..).
you dont need, but can be .... usefull.
usa  showed that, hiroshima, nagasaki
Yes that was because Japan didn't surrender.
would you surrender ?
Mogura
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OMG with all the things i say, now NSA, CIA and FBI are reading all my communications ^^
Cybargs
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Mogura wrote:

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

Mogura wrote:


you dont need, but can be .... usefull.
usa  showed that, hiroshima, nagasaki
Yes that was because Japan didn't surrender.
would you surrender ?
If I got an entire fucking navy near my nation, then yes. But you see, the Japanese had their honour system that you may learn later on in life. The Japanese didn't surrender because they want to keep and protect their Emporer. Their people were willing to die for their nation.
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Mogura
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cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

Mogura wrote:

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:


Yes that was because Japan didn't surrender.
would you surrender ?
If I got an entire fucking navy near my nation, then yes. But you see, the Japanese had their honour system that you may learn later on in life. The Japanese didn't surrender because they want to keep and protect their Emporer. Their people were willing to die for their nation.
well what did you expected, after they have been roled for centuries by warrior class Shogun and developed a military culture. how could you think they would surrender just because you ask them ?

im sure usa would never surrender, even if nuked !

P.S.: OMG with all the things i say, now NSA, CIA and FBI are reading all my communications ^^
BALTINS
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Mogura wrote:

P.S.: OMG with all the things i say, now NSA, CIA and FBI are reading all my communications ^^
i dont think they care, you need to use the keywords: bomb; washington; al-qaeda; allah; bush sucks.
Mogura
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BALTINS wrote:

Mogura wrote:

P.S.: OMG with all the things i say, now NSA, CIA and FBI are reading all my communications ^^
i dont think they care, you need to use the keywords: bomb; washington; al-qaeda; allah; bush sucks.
ok ill do it in the next forum :p
mayby they pay me some travel to cuba ^^
CameronPoe
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Hitler defeated the Germans. QED
spray_and_pray
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Hitler killed himself and defeated himself not the Germans. Good on him i say.
Pleiam
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First of all, Hitler was defeated by his own ignorance. He didn't learn anything from Napoleons defeat from the Russian winter that wiped out most of his German troops.

2nd, Hitler might have won if he left alone the Brits, the Russians and the continent of Africa alone and staked his  claim on western europe that he conquered. The Americans and Brits would have left him alone and Russia too until Htler figured out the Bomb, then everyones would have been screwed.

3rd, Russia was hardly armed with anything and in most cases didn't have enough rifles for each "soldier".

4th, The important thing to remember about the western allies, is that they were mainly seen as liberators of Europe and Africa.

Anyone who says the Brits won the war is hugely mistaken. More accurately, they survived the war. They were practically starving to death because of the u-boats blocking and intercepting their food shipments from the allies.
Vilham
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Pleiam wrote:

First of all, Hitler was defeated by his own ignorance. He didn't learn anything from Napoleons defeat from the Russian winter that wiped out most of his German troops.

2nd, Hitler might have won if he left alone the Brits, the Russians and the continent of Africa alone and staked his  claim on western europe that he conquered. The Americans and Brits would have left him alone and Russia too until Htler figured out the Bomb, then everyones would have been screwed.

3rd, Russia was hardly armed with anything and in most cases didn't have enough rifles for each "soldier".

4th, The important thing to remember about the western allies, is that they were mainly seen as liberators of Europe and Africa.

Anyone who says the Brits won the war is hugely mistaken. More accurately, they survived the war. They were practically starving to death because of the u-boats blocking and intercepting their food shipments from the allies.
lol rationing isnt starving to death... seriously don't try to talk about something you have no clue about. Nearly everyone will know someone be it their parents or friends who had the rationing and they sure as hell weren't starving to death.
Dr_3V|L
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If the UK and US didn't fight the Germans, there wouldn't have been a 2 front war. That really killed Hitlers Reich.
Mogura
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Jupiterians defeated Marsians
Venusians died out from ecological apocalypse
and Moonpeople killed them self in a nuke war (see the craters on the moon)
end of the forum
teehee1988
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They all defeated the Germans.
Without Britain there would have been no launching pad for the invasion of Europe, if she had not won the battle of britain in 1940 Germany would have overrun the UK and also the British outposts in malta, Gibralter and North Africa. So when the allies attacked North Africa it would have only been a one front campaign instead of a two fron campaign. Also without Britain the commonwealth (argueably) would have not got involved, well not all of it. Therefore less troops about.
USA obviously did a huge amount for the war effort. Even before December 1941, she was sending the UK more destroyers, ammunition, tanks and planes.
Russians inflicted huge losses on the Eastern front.
And if hitler hadn't attacked Russia in the summer of 1941 it would have happened at some point. It was a intrinsic belief of Hitler's that Bolshevism and inparticular Jewish Bolshevism had to be dealt with. Not attacking Russia just wasn't an option.
CanadianLoser
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I'm Pretty sure that Canada basically did everything while the U.k.,U.s.a., and the russians sat on their asses drinking lemonade.

                     
                                                                                                         For those who didn't catch what I was saying:
/sarcastic
teehee1988
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Pleiam wrote:

First of all, Hitler was defeated by his own ignorance. He didn't learn anything from Napoleons defeat from the Russian winter that wiped out most of his German troops.

2nd, Hitler might have won if he left alone the Brits, the Russians and the continent of Africa alone and staked his  claim on western europe that he conquered. The Americans and Brits would have left him alone and Russia too until Htler figured out the Bomb, then everyones would have been screwed.

3rd, Russia was hardly armed with anything and in most cases didn't have enough rifles for each "soldier".

4th, The important thing to remember about the western allies, is that they were mainly seen as liberators of Europe and Africa.

Anyone who says the Brits won the war is hugely mistaken. More accurately, they survived the war. They were practically starving to death because of the u-boats blocking and intercepting their food shipments from the allies.
The u boat war was onyl won because of British intelligence desiphering the enigma code machine.
Ok if Britian merely survived the war how come they stood their ground in North Africa, Malta etc. They made gains in Nroth Afric both at the start against the Italiens and at El Alamein.
Hitler didn't learn anything, if anyone didn't learn anything it was the allied Generals. The american (i dont know about the british) was to keep infantry divisions on the line and refuel them with a constant flow of replacements (I THINK 4 divisions the 4th, the 29th and 2 other had at least a 200% turnover and seven others had over 180%). Especially during the winter of 1944 training for these recruits was at a minimal, some even came onto the line not knowing how to fire the M!. Armor crews had never even been in a tank. Yet this trend was not altered. Bradley even put fuel and ammo on the supply lines instead of winter clothing because of the popular belief, oh it will be over by christmas.

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