Poll

Do you believe that Oswald Was the only gunman that killed JFK?

Yes, he was the only one.30%30% - 51
No, it goes much deeper.69%69% - 114
Total: 165
CommieChipmunk
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+488|6827|Portland, OR, USA
Fairly simple question, fairly simple answer....

Do you believe that Oswald Was the only gunman that killed JFK?

If you don't believe that he was the only one, who do you think did it?
PspRpg-7
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+961|6956

Nully!
CommieChipmunk
Member
+488|6827|Portland, OR, USA
why nully?
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6858|132 and Bush

Please don't make me explain the magic bullet..lol
Xbone Stormsurgezz
CommieChipmunk
Member
+488|6827|Portland, OR, USA
lol "it ...floated... in the air for 1.6 seconds...."

but here's something that will be interesting to watch for.
If 'all goes well':
The media will try to destroy JFK's reputation in the next couple years.  They will tarnish his image by talking about his 'womanizing' and how he was soft on communism, etc.  To destroy americas faith in him before they release the evidence to the public in the 2030s... but they already lost his brain and refurbished the car he was shot in, so who knows if there will be anything left..
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|6948|Tampa Bay Florida
Cheney shot him, lol!  j/k


Free Masons did it

okay j/k with that one too

who the hell could know?  He probably was, but we will never know.  It's like asking "Would the USSR have won World War Two if Pearl Harbor never happened?"

Last edited by Spearhead (2006-12-02 21:34:34)

CommieChipmunk
Member
+488|6827|Portland, OR, USA

Spearhead wrote:

Cheney shot him, lol!  j/k


Free Masons did it

okay j/k with that one too

who the hell could know?  He probably was, but we will never know.  It's like asking "Would the USSR have won World War Two if Pearl Harbor never happened?"
but why leave it at that?

You're government lied to you and got away with it.  What will stop them from keep lying?  I don't think you can call yourself a patriotic American and blindly let stuff like this happen....
JahManRed
wank
+646|6886|IRELAND

its hard to know, most ppls judgment has been blurred from the numerous documentary's and films dedicated to the subject. So if we were a jury our testimony would be  worth shit because we have all been influenced by outside sources.
CommieChipmunk
Member
+488|6827|Portland, OR, USA

JahManRed wrote:

its hard to know, most ppls judgment has been blurred from the numerous documentary's and films dedicated to the subject. So if we were a jury our testimony would be  worth shit because we have all been influenced by outside sources.
My teacher has personally interviewed witnesses, who all say shots came from the grassy knoll.  He's interviewed the policemen who took oswald out of the prison right into the hands of his assassin, people from the hospital where he was taken, the policemen in the motorcade who were hit by Kennedy's brain matter and skull fragments (they were riding behind him).  you can't really believe that it wasnt a cover up anymore
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|6948|Tampa Bay Florida

CommieChipmunk wrote:

You're government lied to you and got away with it.  What will stop them from keep lying?  I don't think you can call yourself a patriotic American and blindly let stuff like this happen....
Lied to me about what?  Why did *whoever* kill Kennedy?  What does "patriotic" to you mean?  How am I blindly letting anything happen?  If you suggest I take a gun and go kill everyone at the nearest Federal office building, you need to see a doctor....
CommieChipmunk
Member
+488|6827|Portland, OR, USA
lol nope, I think you read it wrong.  I'm not suggesting you kill anyone.  I'm just saying that we have to stop taking what the government as the truth.  Why did they kill kennedy? alright...

We don't know who did it but there are plenty who could have.

1) the mafia. no joke.  John Kennedy (the dad) did pay off members of the mafia in Chicago to sway the vote in his sons favor. Thats a fact, in return he promised that neither of his sons would try to get rid of the mafia, (i'm a little hazy but i think it had something to do with las vegas or gambling).  He went back on his word leaving obvious motive there....

2) the CIA.  This one gets interesting.  The teacher i was talking about earlier interviewed one of Kennedy's secretaries, she said that many people in the CIA hated him and for good reason (though I don't believe you can find a reason good enough to kill someone).
-The CIA didn't like him because they had to cover him all-the-time.  One specific instance the woman started talking about was when JFK was in a pool with one of his mistresses and his wife was coming, to get something from him, the CIA had to cover for him there.  (not an amazing example but an example nonetheless
-Kennedy promised that he would not attack Cuba if the Russians pulled their missiles out, which they did.  But then the CIA went ahead and were planning a secret attack.  When JFK caught wind of this he promised to single handedly tear apart the CIA, which he began doing.
-It's obvious that the Secret Servicestood down that day. Why?  There were people standing on top of buildings, open windows, on fire escapes.  That goes DIRECTLY against SOP for the Secret Service... You can also see that in the Nixon film i believe its called.  The presidential limo actually breaks after the first shot, (you can see the red break lights), giving the killer a perfect shot at him.  Also, just days before the assassination, there were yellow lines on the road corresponding exactly with the shots (in essence a kill zone).
  Also a couple cars back from Kennedy, the secret service actually jumped on LBJ, causing him a slight back injury? (I don't remember who exactly it was but it was a high ranking official). What happened after the president was shot? Nothing..
-And in my opinion, the most convincing evidence comes with the escalation of the Vietnam war.  Kennedy knew that we couldn't win that war, and he was preparing to pull out the troops that we did have there at the time.  Everyone else (or almost everyone else) in the government wanted to be there and disliked Kennedy's decision very strongly.  Right after LBJ took office what did he do? Escalate the war in Vietnam.... I could go on for quite a while but it's all explained much more accurately here:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid … &q=jfk

EDIT:  oooo forgot this, the parade route was supposed to turn onto main street which would have made sense, but instead... someone gave orders to make it turn on the street after (forcing the 35ft? long limo to make a 120 degree turn)  it had to slow to roughly 11 mph to execute that turn, SOP for the secret service says that it should never go below 40 mph... I beleive that whoever changed that parade route is responsible for the death of jfk..

Last edited by CommieChipmunk (2006-12-02 22:06:21)

Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6932|Canberra, AUS
Who cares? What's done is done, and all the people involved are dead or dying.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6663|North Carolina
I would guess it was a conspiracy of some sort.  Kennedy had a lot of enemies.
CommieChipmunk
Member
+488|6827|Portland, OR, USA

Spark wrote:

Who cares? What's done is done, and all the people involved are dead or dying.
You don't have to care, you're from Australia and that's fine.  But I just hate to see that ignorance in America where it actually matters.  This cover up is the most disgusting lie ever forced on the American people and to see it brushed off because it's "old news" is exactly what they (the ones who did it) want. 

What's done may be done... but in order to prevent it from ever happening again, you can't become an ignorant robot....
Not
Great success!
+216|6834|Chandler, AZ

CommieChipmunk wrote:

Spearhead wrote:

Cheney shot him, lol!  j/k


Free Masons did it

okay j/k with that one too

who the hell could know?  He probably was, but we will never know.  It's like asking "Would the USSR have won World War Two if Pearl Harbor never happened?"
but why leave it at that?

You're government lied to you and got away with it.  What will stop them from keep lying?  I don't think you can call yourself a patriotic American and blindly let stuff like this happen....
Says the guy with the communist sig.

lol j/k, but not really.
CommieChipmunk
Member
+488|6827|Portland, OR, USA
^^touche.....

but i'm not a communist lol..

the polls at 6-10?

are you guys kidding me? lol shit....

Last edited by CommieChipmunk (2006-12-02 23:40:45)

RAIMIUS
You with the face!
+244|6972|US
I saw a program by a few Austrailians (IIRC) who recreated the "magic bullet" shot using the same distances, angles, and using materials to simulate tissue resistance.  They were able to recreate the injuries of JFK and the governor nearly to the millimeter.

Whether or not Oswald was under someone's direction or not, he was the shooter.

I doubt that it was some massive comspiracy, because people just don't keep secrets that well.
CommieChipmunk
Member
+488|6827|Portland, OR, USA

RAIMIUS wrote:

I saw a program by a few Austrailians (IIRC) who recreated the "magic bullet" shot using the same distances, angles, and using materials to simulate tissue resistance.  They were able to recreate the injuries of JFK and the governor nearly to the millimeter.

Whether or not Oswald was under someone's direction or not, he was the shooter.

I doubt that it was some massive comspiracy, because people just don't keep secrets that well.
are you kidding me? it says you're in the USAF academy at the moment, you should know a little about bullets?.... do you know that there was no physical harm done to the magic bullet and it magically "hovered" in the air for 1.6 seconds?  hmm, so it is 'invincible' if you will and it defies the laws of physics.  amazing!

snowballs chance in hell they recreated it. 

Try to shoot a bullet at a couple of ribs, into someones wrist, then into someones leg (remember these are bones) and give it to me without so much as a dent on it.

Hell you do that, and i'll show you a whale that can fly.

Those Australians were spewing ignorance out their assholes in my opinon

Last edited by CommieChipmunk (2006-12-02 23:45:35)

ATG
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+5,233|6787|Global Command

Kmarion wrote:

Please don't make me explain the magic bullet..lol
Surely your not serious.?.
Commie Killer
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+192|6645

RAIMIUS wrote:

I doubt that it was some massive comspiracy, because people just don't keep secrets that well.
Theres your answer. Conspiracy's=fail.
CommieChipmunk
Member
+488|6827|Portland, OR, USA

Commie Killer wrote:

RAIMIUS wrote:

I doubt that it was some massive comspiracy, because people just don't keep secrets that well.
Theres your answer. Conspiracy's=fail.
Are you kidding me? Have you read anything that i just posted? there is no way this was not a conspiracy.  I mean hell just look at the Zapruder film, Kennedy's head goes back and to the left when he's shot, yet he was shot from behind, does this make sense? no

Do yourself a favor, and become slightly educated on the topic...

If ignorance is bliss, then i dont want to be happy

[google]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2928756561478705121&q=jfk[/google]
xm20k
Member
+11|6619
I do know one thing the weapon he suppoedly used was military surplus (think high round count) and in severe need of maintinece not to mention bolt action so fireing three shot possably four in 3 seconds at a moving target at ~100 yards and hitting him at least twice = fail.

This is just my opinion take it as you wish.

Last edited by xm20k (2006-12-03 00:04:01)

BVC
Member
+325|6953
I did it, I had my M95 and mistook his car for an F15 which I thought he was piloting.  I'm sorry, it won't happen again.
<[onex]>Headstone
Member
+102|6960|New York

Spearhead wrote:

Cheney shot him, lol!  j/k


Free Masons did it

okay j/k with that one too

who the hell could know?  He probably was, but we will never know.  It's like asking "Would the USSR have won World War Two if Pearl Harbor never happened?"
Its been proven from the tapes and the angles of the wound in the skull, that Oswalds position(supposedly) could not have been the bullet that did this. If it somehow was his, he made a 1/1,000,000,000,000 shot. The last documentary On this with the many computer models, Sheds way too much doubt that one can only figure that there was someone else behind the shot.

When you think about it, JFK's involvement with Monroe(dead also) and other things that went down(cuban Missile crysis, and other acts) Its not too hard to believe that this was definately a Hit. Could have been Our own Govt, Mob, Or (i put my money on this one) Another country.

Last edited by <[onex]>Headstone (2006-12-03 05:09:00)

Dizik
It tastes like burning
+23|7073|Moore, OK
I fully agree with you Chipmunk when you say that people should educate themselves about the subject matter prior to commenting on it. However, it kind of irks me that you're taking your teacher's word as the gospel without doing any real research of your own. Okay fine, your teacher interviewed some of those that were in attendance. The eyewitness account of those that were there 43 years ago is suspect at best. I'm sure some honestly believe what they say, while others say what they do to support their own agenda. Also, posting videos to another person's work does not equal research.

With all that said, I can say that I honestly don't know (and neither do you) if Oswald was the sole assassin or not. I can however say that it was highly unlikely that Oswald was alone in his actions, if he was indeed involved.

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